Brown - Oops! They did it again.

[5 4 Fighting]

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If you were truly a parent, then you and I both know you have the answer but are refusing to post it. 2 more questions, parent:

1) Where in the world is Carmen Coady? You'd think he'd at least show up for the senior festivities, don't ya think! He's been MIA for 3 weeks, what's up with that?

2) How did your daughter feel last year when she was bypassed for captain after Digit chose a sophomore and a junior. This year, she was bypassed again as Digit apparently didn't pick captains this year [how'd I miss that one?]

That shows complete disrespect. Someone on this thread wrote that if they were coach, the first thing they'd do was show some respect for the players. I'd say that'd be a good start. I don't think there's a college team in the country that doesn't have a captain. Only in Digit's world......
You should join 5 4 fighting and take a program and hit yourself in the head too. You're missing the obvious - on purpose, methinks! I hope you're a better example to your daughter - stand up for yourself!

Having read a number of your posts, I and I'm sure, the entire Ivy community can only hope that you are not a Brown Alumni, if you are... I would suggest that Brown has larger issues than just their women's hockey program.

 

[Veritas]

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If you were truly a parent, then you and I both know you have the answer but are refusing to post it. 2 more questions, parent:

1) Where in the world is Carmen Coady? You'd think he'd at least show up for the senior festivities, don't ya think! He's been MIA for 3 weeks, what's up with that?

2) How did your daughter feel last year when she was bypassed for captain after Digit chose a sophomore and a junior. This year, she was bypassed again as Digit apparently didn't pick captains this year [how'd I miss that one?]

That shows complete disrespect. Someone on this thread wrote that if they were coach, the first thing they'd do was show some respect for the players. I'd say that'd be a good start. I don't think there's a college team in the country that doesn't have a captain. Only in Digit's world......
You should join 5 4 fighting and take a program and hit yourself in the head too. You're missing the obvious - on purpose, methinks! I hope you're a better example to your daughter - stand up for yourself!

As you may guess from the user name I am a Harvard fan but like following discussions of other teams in the league. I had not noticed the lack of captains in the team rosters but wonder how Brown gets away without having captains. The NCAA hockey rules require each team to have a captain (Rule 2, sec. 2a). As the game protocols require each team to have captains to meet with officials before the game If there are no captains I would presume that Brown would be receiving a 2 minute penalty at the start of each game for protocol violation but I don't recall that happening at the recent Brown-Harvard game. I would presume that it is possible to get a waiver if, for example, a captain quit the team or had a season ending injury but I doubt the NCAA would provide a season-long waiver.

It is sort of like being required to dress two goalies. After Christina Kessel tore her ACL a couple of weeks ago Laura Bellamy was sole goalie for a few games until a second goalie was obtained.

How does Brown do this. Not complaining, just curious.

 

[Pops Ryan]

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We enjoyed our Senior Day game this evening and I do not have writing skills sufficient enough to describe what it is like to go through that particular post-game handshake, knowing that for many it is the last time. Both sides of the line sensed how precious those moments are; we were out there for quite awhile. I am so sorry that too many of the Bears did not have the opportunity to be on that line tonight - that they were not in uniform for the final embrace.

BTW, if anyone is planning to be at the Princeton game next Friday and would care to exchange greetings, I would be pleased to meet you.

 

[Redhouse]

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... I wanted to vomit when I saw Digit hug the seniors and then hand over the Panda Bear trophy to a junior who is a great kid but hasn't seen 5 minutes of ice time in her college career.

I'm sure that your detractors will quickly point out that she has received way more than five minutes ice time. In fact she had a start this year and went in in relief twice in previous years. All told, about four periods of hockey.

What an insult to the graduating players who have just given four years to the program.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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As you may guess from the user name I am a Harvard fan but like following discussions of other teams in the league. I had not noticed the lack of captains in the team rosters but wonder how Brown gets away without having captains. The NCAA hockey rules require each team to have a captain (Rule 2, sec. 2a). As the game protocols require each team to have captains to meet with officials before the game If there are no captains I would presume that Brown would be receiving a 2 minute penalty at the start of each game for protocol violation but I don't recall that happening at the recent Brown-Harvard game. I would presume that it is possible to get a waiver if, for example, a captain quit the team or had a season ending injury but I doubt the NCAA would provide a season-long waiver.

It is sort of like being required to dress two goalies. After Christina Kessel tore her ACL a couple of weeks ago Laura Bellamy was sole goalie for a few games until a second goalie was obtained.

How does Brown do this. Not complaining, just curious.

My guess is that Digit does indicate captains on her paperwork and sends the appropriate designees to meet with the refs or someone would have assessed a penalty by now. Captains do not have to wear a letter on the ice IIRC, only be identified to the refs before the game.

Digit may rotate that duty or she may have a set of players assigned that duty. The fact that she doesn't give them duties beyond the required is entirely her perogative. Those who want to complain about Digit's coaching will find anything to criticize, whether there is fact to support it or not remains to be verified.

 

[GHF]

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As to the second question, I am concerned about the direction of the program and have addressed my concerns with the AD. Have you?

Glad to hear at least one Brown supporter has taken the only approach that may accomplish something!!! Hopefully more that feel something needs to change have done the same but are just not saying anything here. All thec omments and bback and forth exchanges on this forum will have no effect and you will be here whining again next season!

Oh, and Cody and Jill were at the Challenge Cup looking for talent for the next season or two. They're trying to make the program BETTER. Part of their job!

 

[ARM]

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Glad to hear at least one Brown supporter has taken the only approach that may accomplish something...

On the odd chance somebody wants to make this thread readable and just doesn't know how, here are some hints on quoting. The quotes on the last page plus of this thread are wrong, because somebody edited improperly, others quoted without fixing the error, so the name in the quote box is NOT the poster that first composed the text. For example, GHF was responding to "Brown Parent", not "fan007". When I first quote the "Glad to hear ..." post, it showed up as coming from "Brown Parent", not "GHF", the actual author. So for everyone that takes the time to post here, please take a couple more minutes to use the "Preview Post" button before doing a "Submit Reply". If that does not attribute the quote to the right person, edit your text to remove the "square-bracket QUOTE name;number end-square-bracket" portion of the incorrect poster. Preview the post again, and don't submit it until it reads correctly.

It is hard enough for people to find middle ground on this topic without a thread that looks like a tangled fly-fishing reel.

 

[ccookie79]

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Glad to hear at least one Brown supporter has taken the only approach that may accomplish something!!! Hopefully more that feel something needs to change have done the same but are just not saying anything here. All thec omments and bback and forth exchanges on this forum will have no effect and you will be here whining again next season!

Oh, and Cody and Jill were at the Challenge Cup looking for talent for the next season or two. They're trying to make the program BETTER. Part of their job!

Perhaps there are many of us who have spoken to the AD. Perhaps you also read a post on this thread a few days back where HCKY85 explained so eloquently why doing so would be an exercise in futility. The taint goes deep.

As for Coady and Jill, it's interesting that they're still recruiting for a school whose admissions deadline has passed. Seems like a lot of applicants should be asking for refunds. As an allegedly big part of New England Hockey, you'd think Coady wouldn't have to travel out of the district to find talent. Apparently his skills aren't good enough to produce Ivy-caliber students. Too bad, the local kids could put some wins on Brown's record.

 

[ccookie79]

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On the odd chance somebody wants to make this thread readable and just doesn't know how, here are some hints on quoting. The quotes on the last page plus of this thread are wrong, because somebody edited improperly, others quoted without fixing the error, so the name in the quote box is NOT the poster that first composed the text. For example, GHF was responding to "Brown Parent", not "fan007". When I first quote the "Glad to hear ..." post, it showed up as coming from "Brown Parent", not "GHF", the actual author. So for everyone that takes the time to post here, please take a couple more minutes to use the "Preview Post" button before doing a "Submit Reply". If that does not attribute the quote to the right person, edit your text to remove the "square-bracket QUOTE name;number end-square-bracket" portion of the incorrect poster. Preview the post again, and don't submit it until it reads correctly.

It is hard enough for people to find middle ground on this topic without a thread that looks like a tangled fly-fishing reel.

For what it's worth, ARM, I have been hitting the quote button but the past couple have come up with incorrect references. I'm not sure what's going on, but I know I've used the feature often without error.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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As for Coady and Jill, it's interesting that they're still recruiting for a school whose admissions deadline has passed. Seems like a lot of applicants should be asking for refunds. As an allegedly big part of New England Hockey, you'd think Coady wouldn't have to travel out of the district to find talent. Apparently his skills aren't good enough to produce Ivy-caliber students. Too bad, the local kids could put some wins on Brown's record.

Clearly you are not a hockey parent, as you know that at this time of year, coaches are scouting the HS Juniors who may be applying ED. Not enough season next fall to get enough looks at players before the early signing period.

Duh!

And I know how to clean up bad quotations!!!

 

[Hux]

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As for Coady and Jill, it's interesting that they're still recruiting for a school whose admissions deadline has passed. Seems like a lot of applicants should be asking for refunds. As an allegedly big part of New England Hockey, you'd think Coady wouldn't have to travel out of the district to find talent. Apparently his skills aren't good enough to produce Ivy-caliber students. Too bad, the local kids could put some wins on Brown's record.

Here is the deal. Regardless of who is coaching, unless Brown has more A grade talent, the results will stay the same. Every team in D1 is diligently looking at the top players for the 2011 recruiting class now, and the majority of those players will have committed by next October. The majority of the top talent comes from outside of New England.

Yes, there is a fair amount of talent in New England, but unlike a decade ago, there is not enough to go around. To be competitive you need top tier talent. Third and fourth line prep school kids isn't going to cut it.

 

[ccookie79]

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Clearly you are not a hockey parent, as you know that at this time of year, coaches are scouting the HS Juniors who may be applying ED. Not enough season next fall to get enough looks at players before the early signing period.

Duh!

And I know how to clean up bad quotations!!!

You obviously don't know Coady.

 

[Skate79]

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If people on this thread really want to make a difference in Brown women's hockey for the future, talk to the AD and the powers that be and suggest concrete steps that will reverse the current situation. Get everyone together including former players and alums with influence (re: donors) who can constructively develop a plan to turn the program around.

Otherwise, this looks like a lot of schoolchildren pointing fingers. The maturity level here is really embarrassing. You really think the coaches and administrators will take you seriously? Puhleeze.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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You obviously don't know Coady.

I do know that Coady's job is scouting and recruiting which is what he was doing. You don't seem to know what his job is from your previous post.

You obviously have skated for him to know him so well, eh?

 

[hcky85]

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Digit's team.

Player was on Digit's team (that player wasn't forced to participate on) and did things that negatively affected the team. Therefore it is Digit's to issue to address as she sees fit.

Everyone has morals. You are just confusing yours with hurt feelings.

I think Brown Parent chooses to exhibit discretion in discussing the particulars on this forum and would rather not be negative about his daughter's team in an online public forum. For this I can greatly respect his/her restraint. Thank you Brown Parent for representing the decency of parents on struggling programs everywhere.

It must be convenient to be able to change your moral standing depending on whom it is you’re addressing. My ethics don’t change from person to person… it’s the worst.

 

[hcky85]

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Yes, there is a fair amount of talent in New England, but unlike a decade ago, there is not enough to go around. To be competitive you need top tier talent. Third and fourth line prep school kids isn't going to cut it.

Well, what happened is no secret in the coaching community.

Does the coaching community ever talk about hockey ability or do they just tell stories of players so that they can feel better about themselves.

I’m not positive on how many third or fourth line prep school kids Brown has on their team now. But it’s no secret in the hockey community (not as exclusive as your clique by any means), that almost all of the prep school kids no longer on the team were not third or fourth line players. Maybe Digit should have kept some of them around if they’re lacking first/second line prep kids as much as you say.

 

[hcky85]

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I do know that Coady's job is scouting and recruiting which is what he was doing. You don't seem to know what his job is from your previous post.

You obviously have skated for him to know him so well, eh?

I have way to many opinions on the panda bear award, senior day, no captains, and lack or respect for the players so I won’t even address any of those issues.

Strictly on ice coaching criticism, how many goals does the same player on the opposing team have to score before you make some alteration to your d-zone coverage?

Again, I have never coached. But I’m going to assume it’s safe to say, sometime before that players’ fourth goal Digit should have made sure that someone was shadowing that player at all times.

If she isn’t capable of making that decision on her own then she should make sure the defensive coordinator (Coady) is at the games.

 

[videohockey]

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I have way to many opinions on the panda bear award, senior day, no captains, and lack or respect for the players so I won’t even address any of those issues.

Strictly on ice coaching criticism, how many goals does the same player on the opposing team have to score before you make some alteration to your d-zone coverage?

Again, I have never coached. But I’m going to assume it’s safe to say, sometime before that players’ fourth goal Digit should have made sure that someone was shadowing that player at all times.

If she isn’t capable of making that decision on her own then she should make sure the defensive coordinator (Coady) is at the games.

Never coached? And you can "make alterations" (what are you, a tailor?) better than a seasoned set of coaches? Really?

Seriously, if you believe the coaches are phoning it in, then go to the AD and/or the prez. Not here. Really.

 

[hcky85]

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Never coached? And you can "make alterations" (what are you, a tailor?) better than a seasoned set of coaches? Really?

Seriously, if you believe the coaches are phoning it in, then go to the AD and/or the prez. Not here. Really.

This is an online forum for fans. And since not one Brown fan is nearly as disgruntled with the contents of this thread as everyone else not even involved with the program, a thread for Brown hockey remains to be a very suitable place for this discussion to take place.

The subject at hand clearly comes with distress to you so I would suggest not opening this particular thread as your most available solution.

Sincerely,
The Tailor with No Coaching Experience Capable of Making Better Decisions Than Seasoned Coaches (your words not mine)

 

[videohockey]

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This is an online forum for fans. And since not one Brown fan is nearly as disgruntled with the contents of this thread as everyone else not even involved with the program, a thread for Brown hockey remains to be a very suitable place for this discussion to take place.

The subject at hand clearly comes with distress to you so I would suggest not opening this particular thread as your most available solution.

Sincerely,
The Tailor with No Coaching Experience Capable of Making Better Decisions Than Seasoned Coaches (your words not mine)

Truly you have no idea.

There was not QUOTE if you actually read it. I said, "Never coached? And you can "make alterations" (what are you, a tailor?) better than a seasoned set of coaches?"

112 posts (all about Brown) and yet you have no idea.

And do not tell anyone who can or can not contribute to to "your" forum.

This to a tailor who I would definitely NOT recommend to anyone.