Brown - Oops! They did it again.

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

I was going to let this drop after reading your plea but then I realized there has yet to be a person from Brown who has actually voiced their displeasures with this thread. If that’s the case then that alone speaks more than anything someone could post.

It seems that Brown Parent has not been exactly enjoying this thread from the posting tone so far. You might go back and look at those posts. Perhaps s/he will come back and clarify.

 

[vicb]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

The board should shut this thread down.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

I’m not sure how the transition from personal matters to things “so horrible” being done just occurred. No one at any point, in any thread has described actions that remotely match whatever image you have created in your head.

Ignorance is bliss. Pretending to be ignorant is just naïve.

Excuse me. I have repeated over and over, I HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP TO BROWN OR DIGIT, so yes indeed I am not in the know about the accusations YOU MADE about Digit discussing "personal matters" of former players in front of the team. I'm not here to praise Digit (or Brown for that matter), but take exception when anonymous insiders throw the coach under the bus, or anyone makes a serious personal charge without citing the incident.

Most people would take your accusation as slinging mud at a coach. I asked for a bit of clarification as to the nature of the issue. Pardon my ignorance (although I'm not blissful about having to defend myself against the insinuation that I am naiive). I don't subscribe to a newspaper from the region. Remember, I'm not from around here.

There are times, believe it or not, it is right to discuss the "personal matters" of an ex-player in front of the team. If the "personal matter" becomes "public" and affects the team members or the university or even the coach personally, it is the coach's duty to spell out how that "personal matter" resulted (or didn't result if that is the case) in the ex-players circumstance with regards to the team or the university.

This happens all of the time. In discussing the goaltending situation at a prospective school for my daughter with the coach, he openly talked to us about a former goalie's "personal matter" that became "public" with the team through the actions of the goalie, resulting in her not being on the roster. It was necessary for our understanding of his recruiting situation. He did not take particular satisfaction in discussing the matter. However, it was very insightful into how he expects his players to conduct themselves and communicate with the team and coaches on matters that could affect the team.

So what I'm asking here (sorry Dontyelldad, it looks like this one isn't going to die quietly) is that you tell us of the what kind of inappropriate team discussion involving "personal matters" did Digit conduct. Your language indicates that it was unnecessary. Tell us why it was unnecessary or stop making groundless, accusations.

 

[hcky85]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

The board should shut this thread down.

Why?

I don't get why criticizing a coach is such a sensitive topic. People criticize players all the time.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

I could go as far as to say Digit single handedly murdered all of her players, and you notfromaroundhere would still be here by yourself defending her.

It's about the only thing you haven't said.

And if you would do a little more research on my posts, you'll find my purpose of being here is to defend coaches in general against this type of thread, started by an insider trying to throw a coach under the bus - wrong on so many levels. You joined the food-fight half-way in, completely missing this fact and start incorrectly attributing motives. You completely misinterpret my motives and continue to engage in poorly-substantiated charges.

I left the discussion a few days ago when it appeared that it was heading towards actual analysis of the team development - very legitimate material. However, you seem to like to dig up and mischaracterize quotes and stir the pot.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

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Why?

I don't get why criticizing a coach is such a sensitive topic. People criticize players all the time.

Please provide evidence, not just complaints.

 

[5 4 Fighting]

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Why?

I don't get why criticizing a coach is such a sensitive topic. People criticize players all the time.

85er...it's because your not criticizing, your asking for her to be fired. I have never, on these boards seen someone say..Hey that # 29 sucks, she should be kicked off the team.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

I take your statement very seriously. Do you not see the irony of your post, because it is exactly what I've been saying all along: "The girls on this team deserve so much more respect than they are being given and that it is very sad. They are quickly coming to the end of something that has been their life's passion and some can't see how they might be ruining it for them."
That is exactly what Digit and Coady have done to the team for their own selfish and immature reasons. You may think your "friend" on the team is riding high on the bandwagon, but did you ever stop to think that that girl is only riding high because Digit took out her vengeance on another of those girls who was just a dedicated and committed as your friend was? Try thinking outside the box. Think about your D's friend and think how you would feel if she was the one bounced off the team. You know she's awesome and you know she lives for hockey, but some "coach" (I use that term loosely) decided that this person didn't genuflect whenever she opens the LOCKER ROOM door as commanded. Sorry, but respect is so much more important than the superficial ice time that your friend is getting at someone else's expense.
Don't throw everyone else under the Zamboni just because their opinions may differ from your own. There's a whole subset of issues here that you have not even ackowledged. I'm not knocking the opinion you're so entitled to, just don't knock mine, either.

I'll knock your opinion because IT DOES NOT BELONG ON THIS BOARD. Insiders such as you should not use this forum as a means to get a coach fired.

And you still haven't said which of us is Digit.

And I'll keep on this until you do.

 

[hcky85]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

Please provide evidence, not just complaints.

What I found inappropriate was that she wasn’t stating facts about something that might have occurred, she was stating judgments.

I didn’t intend for my comment to switch the entire topic of conversation. I only brought it up to provide an answer for the post that asked why I might be criticizing Digit so publicly. And all I meant by it was because she had done so.

 

[IceIsNice]

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There's no point in closing this thread...it's like "Whack-a-Mole", it'll only pop up again with a slightly different title.

I do think the line about throwing someone under the zamboni was priceless however!

 

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

What I found inappropriate was that she wasn’t stating facts about something that might have occurred, she was stating judgments.

I didn’t intend for my comment to switch the entire topic of conversation. I only brought it up to provide an answer for the post that asked why I might be criticizing Digit so publicly. And all I meant by it was because she has done so.

Irony Alert! Irony Alert!

Please note that I was asking for information about a judgement you made. Be careful what you criticize Digit for, as you may also be guilty of the same from time to time...

 

[hcky85]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

85er...it's because your not criticizing, your asking for her to be fired. I have never, on these boards seen someone say..Hey that # 29 sucks, she should be kicked off the team.

I know but there is a set of rules that apply to coaches and another set that apply to players. We’ve already established that this is not the Big Ten football league, but if a coach performs poorly than they should be getting criticized. How often do we see whether or not a coach should get fired being discussed on ESPN.

 

[notfromaroundhere]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

What I found inappropriate was that she wasn’t stating facts about something that might have occurred, she was stating judgments.

I didn’t intend for my comment to switch the entire topic of conversation. I only brought it up to provide an answer for the post that asked why I might be criticizing Digit so publicly. And all I meant by it was because she has done so.

And there are times when talking about a judgement without stating the facts that might have occurred is just fine. Take for example a certain coaching situation that was widely discussed here a couple years ago that led to a thread actually being closed IIRC (trying not to be specific to avoid restarting that discussion). And that is a rare thing on USCHO. That was a situation where you remove someone, talk about the judgement and definitely DON'T go into the facts.

 

[hcky85]

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Irony Alert! Irony Alert!

Please note that I was asking for information about a judgement you made. Be careful what you criticize Digit for, as you may also be guilty of the same from time to time...

Sorry, I’m not exactly sure what it is you’re saying here. Could you please further elaborate?

 

[IceIsNice]

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I guess I don't understand why the other perspective isn't being met with some relative amount of respect as well.

Some say Digit has performed poorly and should be fired. That simple.

Others recognize that her environment has changed from years ago, when the number of scholarships available from New England schools was way less than half of what it is today.

Still, there are some who say Digit has made key moves in recent months to make the most of her situation and should be applauded for making these moves.

Then again, some might consider these moves bold, others apparently believe they were malicious.

Clearly there are two camps on this; effectively there are both "prosecutors" and "defense"

So I guess the question is, do we continue to deliberate, or do we agree to disagree? Because other than the rehashing of the same arguments over and over again, there has been no new evidence introduced by either her prosecutors nor her defense.

As far as I can tell, this online trial has to be declared a mistrial with a hung jury, short of the introduction of real evidence.

 

[hcky85]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

And there are times when talking about a judgement without stating the facts that might have occurred is just fine. Take for example a certain coaching situation that was widely discussed here a couple years ago that led to a thread actually being closed IIRC (trying not to be specific to avoid restarting that discussion). And that is a rare thing on USCHO. That was a situation where you remove someone, talk about the judgement and definitely DON'T go into the facts.

My fault. I didn’t mean judgments as certain decisions people might of made. I meant a person’s judgment that they made from looking at another person or situation or outcome.

 

[GHF]

Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

As far as I can tell, this online trial has to be declared a mistrial with a hung jury, short of the introduction of real evidence.

Agree. And to paraphrase what I said quite a few pages back (and only days ago )

... maybe we should end this thread with one last post:

"If you don't support Digit as Brown's head coach, write a letter to the AD. If you're a financial supporter of Brown and don't think Digit should be in her position, stop sending money and let the AD know why you are doing this. If you support Digit, feel free to let the AD know".

 

[Hux]

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I guess I don't understand why the other perspective isn't being met with some relative amount of respect as well.

Some say Digit has performed poorly and should be fired. That simple.

Others recognize that her environment has changed from years ago, when the number of scholarships available from New England schools was way less than half of what it is today.

Still, there are some who say Digit has made key moves in recent months to make the most of her situation and should be applauded for making these moves.

Then again, some might consider these moves bold, others apparently believe they were malicious.

Clearly there are two camps on this; effectively there are both "prosecutors" and "defense"

So I guess the question is, do we continue to deliberate, or do we agree to disagree? Because other than the rehashing of the same arguments over and over again, there has been no new evidence introduced by either her prosecutors nor her defense.

As far as I can tell, this online trial has to be declared a mistrial with a hung jury, short of the introduction of real evidence.

The deciding factor should be whether Coach Murphy is pro-Whoopie Pie or anti-Whoopie pie.

 

[hcky85]

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Well, being a good dooby, I knew exactly what you meant. And I agree.

Apparently that concept was lost on a few players. We have seen posts regarding the "suicide" of speaking up regarding Miss Murphy and Co. Well, how about when an individual fails citizenship 101, repeatedly, and the coach goes to bat for her with the school's administration to keep her in the program, only to have that player turn around and "speak up" and start a mutiny. It should be no surprise when the coach kicks the player off the team.

And for the record when I said I thought Digit acted inappropriately, I did not just mean things that she discussed with the team. I thought it was completely unnecessary and unprofessional to let someone’s personal matters be talked amongst coaches at different schools. The narrative of this post makes it seem very unlikely that it originated from anyone else’s but one of the coaches’ mouths.

 

[OnMAA]

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And for the record when I said I thought Digit acted inappropriately, I did not just mean things that she discussed with the team. I thought it was completely unnecessary and unprofessional to let someone’s personal matters be talked amongst coaches at different schools. The narrative of this post makes it seem very unlikely that it originated from anyone else’s but one of the coaches’ mouths.

R U not listening to everyone else ?

You just responded to a post from Dec 6.

Please stop it...Enough is Enough.