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Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)

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I think I ran the numbers a year or two ago here. Figuring in his 5 years lost to the service, he'd be looking at about 3,800 hits, 700 HR and about 2,400 RBI. He would be cemented as the 2nd greatest hitter of all time, behind the Babe.
 
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Hammer said:
I think I ran the numbers a year or two ago here. Figuring in his 5 years lost to the service, he'd be looking at about 3,800 hits, 700 HR and about 2,400 RBI. He would be cemented as the 2nd greatest hitter of all time, behind the Babe.
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I remember him saying he retired too soon. He figured with expansion he could hit about .450 against the expansion teams and .325 against everybody else for about a .330 or better average. Yup, the best modern hitter. How many homers would the Babe have hit in those 3 or 4 years when he was primarily a pitcher? Another 100? Or more? I saw a progam hosted by Teddy which concluded Ruth was the greatest ever. With Ruth it was more than his extraordinary accomplishments on the field. He saved the game of baseball (the year after the White Sox dumped the World Series, he hit 51 dingers) and changed the way the game was played forever. I think you can easily make the case that he was not only the greatest baseball player ever, he was America's greatest sports hero ever, aned there's really nobody close. You go to any civilized country in the world (and probably the uncivilized ones, too) and ask who Babe Ruth was, and an extraordinary number of people are going to know. What was it Joe Dugan said, "I don't room with Babe Ruth, I room with Babe Ruth's suitcase." Exactly.
 
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Ruth got a cup of coffee in 1914, but really didn't take off as an everyday player until about 1919. So figure 4 years there (1915-1918), but they were dead-ball years. He hit 29 bombs in a dead-ball 1919 season (the last year before the ball was modified). I don't think it's unreasonable to figure an additional 75 HR and 275 RBI for those years. That would put him at roughly 790 homers and just under 2500 RBI.

I've got another one for you to think about. When you look at the offensive numbers from the 1930's (especially the RBI totals), some of those were off the charts. When the 1930 season started, Babe Ruth was 35 years old and past his prime. Could you imagine what he could have done had he been born 5-7 years later? I don't think a 75 HR, 230 RBI season would have been out of the question.

Ted Williams was 42 when he retired. He wasn't going to do much more.
 
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Maybe you should start a "When it was a game" thread ;)
 
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Hammer said:
Ruth got a cup of coffee in 1914, but really didn't take off as an everyday player until about 1919. So figure 4 years there (1915-1918), but they were dead-ball years. He hit 29 bombs in a dead-ball 1919 season (the last year before the ball was modified). I don't think it's unreasonable to figure an additional 75 HR and 275 RBI for those years. That would put him at roughly 790 homers and just under 2500 RBI.

I've got another one for you to think about. When you look at the offensive numbers from the 1930's (especially the RBI totals), some of those were off the charts. When the 1930 season started, Babe Ruth was 35 years old and past his prime. Could you imagine what he could have done had he been born 5-7 years later? I don't think a 75 HR, 230 RBI season would have been out of the question.

Ted Williams was 42 when he retired. He wasn't going to do much more.
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I think he was speaking scarcastically about the quality of pitching on the expansion clubs.
 
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The kicker to that is, right after he retired we were treated to the Era of the Pitcher.
 
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Someone died? I figured we were just going to keep discussing old baseball players.
 
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I think he was speaking scarcastically about the quality of pitching on the expansion clubs.
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yeah... his last season, 1960, was the last before the Angels and Senators joined the AL for the 1961 season.

his last season, at age 41, he hit .316 with an OPS of 1.096 :D so not too sarcastically :P
 
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You want a refund?
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We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
 
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Dude Love said:
We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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Rules? In a knife fight? No rules.
 
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I've heard Bob Feller has died, but as of now I don't see anything on the net to link too.

*edited* AP just moved this story
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FNC is reporting it as breaking news.

Feller died at 9:15 p.m. on Wednesday night of acute leukemia at a hospice, said Bob DiBiasio, the Indians vice president of public relations.

Remarkably fit until late in life, Feller had suffered serious health setbacks in recent months. He was diagnosed with a form of leukemia in August, and while undergoing chemotherapy, he fainted and his heart briefly stopped. Eventually, he underwent surgery to have a pacemaker implanted.

In November, he was hospitalized with pneumonia and Feller was recently released into hospice care.
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June 20, 2010: Hall of Famer Bob Feller, who pitched for the Cleveland Indians, acknowledges the crowd before the Hall of Fame Classic baseball game in Cooperstown, N.Y.
 
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Here's Dr. Demento's post from five days ago:

One of my boyhood idols is now in hospice care-Bob Feller who is 92 has developed pneumonia to go with his leukemia. Darn he could throw hard. 3 no hitters and 12 one hitters. Lost a lot of time in the service or else his career numbers would have been much higher.
 
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Here's Dr. Demento's post from five days ago:

One of my boyhood idols is now in hospice care-Bob Feller who is 92 has developed pneumonia to go with his leukemia. Darn he could throw hard. 3 no hitters and 12 one hitters. Lost a lot of time in the service or else his career numbers would have been much higher.
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More of the greats getting the final call up to the Big Leagues.
 
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Feller was one of the great ones. Cooperstown should think about a separate category above those that just get entrance-for the truly extra special great ones.
 
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DrDemento said:
Cooperstown should think about a separate category above those that just get entrance-for the truly extra special great ones.
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That was what the Hall was supposed to be. It can be again. Don't vote in somebody until he's been retired for 20 years and have only one shot at eligibility.
 
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