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Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
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That is awesome. There was a really great article in SI about him a few months back.
We should probably stop talking about him, since he's not dead, and I don't want to jinx him.
That is awesome. There was a really great article in SI about him a few months back.
We should probably stop talking about him, since he's not dead, and I don't want to jinx him.
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Jen-I was fortunate enough to meet him twice when i was a little kid-My dad took me to as many games as we could afford in those days at either Ebbets Field in Brooklyn or the Polo Grounds in Manhattan. He must be late 80's now but I am sure there are very few who could be as nice as he was.
That is awesome. There was a really great article in SI about him a few months back.
We should probably stop talking about him, since he's not dead, and I don't want to jinx him.
Jen-I was fortunate enough to meet him twice when i was a little kid-My dad took me to as many games as we could afford in those days at either Ebbets Field in Brooklyn or the Polo Grounds in Manhattan. He must be late 80's now but I am sure there are very few who could be as nice as he was.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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my great uncle, Ray Jozwiak, went to high school in donora, pa with stan. stan would be a regular at his hs reunion, showing up with signed gifts for everyone. i have so many signed baseballs from himD), i even have a signed stan-the-man bat rack! loads of stuff my uncle got and gave to my brother and me. i was lucky enough to take tyler to see old busch stadium to see it before they tore it down and it was at the end of the year and they were counting down the games left. our game was "#6". middle of the 6th inning when the game became official, stan came out and took the #6 down. i got to point him out to tyler and tell him about stan and uncle ray.
by comparison. joe montana went to the same high school. whenever reunion announcements go out, joe's office replies back that he is available to attend -- for a price.
and to give these guys some credit, all they have is their name. if willie mays isn't signing something, he isn't eating. sure, players make a ton of money now.. but back then they really had real jobs in the off-season. i can't begrudge them what they can make. plus, there is a huge secondary market for memorabilia. if they sign it for free, someone will get it and sell it for money... so why shouldn't they get something?
there is of course the seedy side (as with john henry williams and what he did with his father). but i can't hold it against the 70 or 80 yo guys trying to live a comfortable retirement.
my great uncle, Ray Jozwiak, went to high school in donora, pa with stan. stan would be a regular at his hs reunion, showing up with signed gifts for everyone. i have so many signed baseballs from him
D), i even have a signed stan-the-man bat rack! loads of stuff my uncle got and gave to my brother and me. i was lucky enough to take tyler to see old busch stadium to see it before they tore it down and it was at the end of the year and they were counting down the games left. our game was "#6". middle of the 6th inning when the game became official, stan came out and took the #6 down. i got to point him out to tyler and tell him about stan and uncle ray.by comparison. joe montana went to the same high school. whenever reunion announcements go out, joe's office replies back that he is available to attend -- for a price.
and to give these guys some credit, all they have is their name. if willie mays isn't signing something, he isn't eating. sure, players make a ton of money now.. but back then they really had real jobs in the off-season. i can't begrudge them what they can make. plus, there is a huge secondary market for memorabilia. if they sign it for free, someone will get it and sell it for money... so why shouldn't they get something?
there is of course the seedy side (as with john henry williams and what he did with his father). but i can't hold it against the 70 or 80 yo guys trying to live a comfortable retirement.
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How's this for "wrong era?" Mr. Wrigley used to give season general admission passes to high school baseball letter winners in the Chicago area. I didn't play, but was pretty good friends with the manager. And between the time the list was submitted to the Cubs and the time the passes arrived, there were always a couple of guys who had quit or been kicked off the team. And for a modest fee, a pass would be in my wallet. Think about it, a season long pass. I could go to as many games as I wanted. And once I got my license, my mother's car was gone for days at a time. Four years in high school and I must have gone to 150 or more games. Lovely.
And even though the Cubs were generally under achievers (we did have Ernie Banks) in those days every team that came to town had Hall of Fame caliber players: Eddie Mathews, Warren Spahn, Drysdale, Koufax, Mays, Marichal, Aaron, Gibson, Musial, Frank Robinson, Clemente, etc.
Watching Koufax pitch was like watching Michelangelo sculpt. As God is my witness, I recall him freezing hapless Cub batters with that majestic curve ball and hearing the crowd "ooh" and "ahh" at the beauty of it. For some reason or another, sweet swinging Billy Williams owned Koufax (despite the lefty/lefty aspect). I was at a game where Koufax had 15 or 16 K's and Billy was 3 for 4 with two extra base hits!
I recall an interview with Bill Bartholomay, who owned the Braves, about Henry Aaron and the move to Atlanta. Henry had always been a contender for the triple crown but when he talked about the new stadium in Atlanta, Bartholomay said "we're going to ask Henry to sacrifice a bit on his average" to go for the long ball. Well, that worked out well, didn't it? The only drugs those guys knew about were aspirin and Schlitz!
Nostalgia makes everything look better under the backwards glance I admit. But I think you can make the case that as far as baseball was concerned, things WERE better.
BTW, Juan Marichal was the best pitcher I ever saw, period. He'd hide the ball behind that absurdly high leg kick then come at you overhand, 3/4 or sidearm out of the kick. There should have been a law.
How's this for "wrong era?" Mr. Wrigley used to give season general admission passes to high school baseball letter winners in the Chicago area. I didn't play, but was pretty good friends with the manager. And between the time the list was submitted to the Cubs and the time the passes arrived, there were always a couple of guys who had quit or been kicked off the team. And for a modest fee, a pass would be in my wallet. Think about it, a season long pass. I could go to as many games as I wanted. And once I got my license, my mother's car was gone for days at a time. Four years in high school and I must have gone to 150 or more games. Lovely.
And even though the Cubs were generally under achievers (we did have Ernie Banks) in those days every team that came to town had Hall of Fame caliber players: Eddie Mathews, Warren Spahn, Drysdale, Koufax, Mays, Marichal, Aaron, Gibson, Musial, Frank Robinson, Clemente, etc.
Watching Koufax pitch was like watching Michelangelo sculpt. As God is my witness, I recall him freezing hapless Cub batters with that majestic curve ball and hearing the crowd "ooh" and "ahh" at the beauty of it. For some reason or another, sweet swinging Billy Williams owned Koufax (despite the lefty/lefty aspect). I was at a game where Koufax had 15 or 16 K's and Billy was 3 for 4 with two extra base hits!
I recall an interview with Bill Bartholomay, who owned the Braves, about Henry Aaron and the move to Atlanta. Henry had always been a contender for the triple crown but when he talked about the new stadium in Atlanta, Bartholomay said "we're going to ask Henry to sacrifice a bit on his average" to go for the long ball. Well, that worked out well, didn't it? The only drugs those guys knew about were aspirin and Schlitz!
Nostalgia makes everything look better under the backwards glance I admit. But I think you can make the case that as far as baseball was concerned, things WERE better.
BTW, Juan Marichal was the best pitcher I ever saw, period. He'd hide the ball behind that absurdly high leg kick then come at you overhand, 3/4 or sidearm out of the kick. There should have been a law.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
you realize that if he showed up today he would have the delivery changed immediately to prevent undo wear on the arm!
you realize that if he showed up today he would have the delivery changed immediately to prevent undo wear on the arm!
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Probably. IIRC his career came to a premature end when he got a shot of penicillin during winter ball. He had an allergic reaction, and was never the same.
you realize that if he showed up today he would have the delivery changed immediately to prevent undo wear on the arm!
Probably. IIRC his career came to a premature end when he got a shot of penicillin during winter ball. He had an allergic reaction, and was never the same.
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Add Johnny Bower to the list -- he dropped the ceremonial faceoff tonight at the ACC. Still looks spry at 86.
I had the pleasure of knowing him during my days in Toronto. As classy a gentleman as Stan the Man, and always had a funny story to tell.
His Hall of Fame career almost never happened:
Add Johnny Bower to the list -- he dropped the ceremonial faceoff tonight at the ACC. Still looks spry at 86.
I had the pleasure of knowing him during my days in Toronto. As classy a gentleman as Stan the Man, and always had a funny story to tell.
His Hall of Fame career almost never happened:
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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that was a nice ceremony they put on tonight.
that was a nice ceremony they put on tonight.
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I put Marichal on m list also-but I have Bob Gibson up with him(see 1968 for example). The best hitter in the game could not touch him if they brought 2 bats to the plate. Plus, most batters would not dare to dig in or get close to the plate-Bob owned tht area. He once yelled out at a player who was digging in deep-"keep diging 'cause I'm gonna bury you right ther on that spot". If you were not afraid to bat against him, you just weren't normal.
I suspect during the next 5 years we will be losing many of the great ones-from Baseball and Hockey. My formitive years were the 50's so they will all bring back incredible memories for me.
I put Marichal on m list also-but I have Bob Gibson up with him(see 1968 for example). The best hitter in the game could not touch him if they brought 2 bats to the plate. Plus, most batters would not dare to dig in or get close to the plate-Bob owned tht area. He once yelled out at a player who was digging in deep-"keep diging 'cause I'm gonna bury you right ther on that spot". If you were not afraid to bat against him, you just weren't normal.
I suspect during the next 5 years we will be losing many of the great ones-from Baseball and Hockey. My formitive years were the 50's so they will all bring back incredible memories for me.
Kepler
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Marichal was also famously like this, except he didn't issue warnings.
Marichal was also famously like this, except he didn't issue warnings.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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even if he wasn't pitching
Marichal was also famously like this, except he didn't issue warnings.
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even if he wasn't pitching
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7140189
better option.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7140189
better option.
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Gibson WAS extraordinary. No doubt. He holds one of two records that might never be broken: 1.12 ERA. For a season! That's just mind boggling. The other, of course, is Hack Wilson's 190 RBI. I recall reading he had 100 at the end of August. Oh, I see, 90 RBI in September!
And what would these great pitchers do to today's hitters who dig in, act like the inner half of the plate is theirs by divine right, and want to run out to the mound if you come in on them? Can't you just see Don Drysdale, with that big side arm delivery, running it in on these clowns? What's that line from "Field of Dreams?" "Be ready for low and away, but watch out for in your ear."
How do you think Sal "the barber" Maglie got his nickname? If you took liberties at the plate and stuck your stupid head out in the middle, he'd "shave" you.
I put Marichal on m list also-but I have Bob Gibson up with him(see 1968 for example). The best hitter in the game could not touch him if they brought 2 bats to the plate. Plus, most batters would not dare to dig in or get close to the plate-Bob owned tht area. He once yelled out at a player who was digging in deep-"keep diging 'cause I'm gonna bury you right ther on that spot". If you were not afraid to bat against him, you just weren't normal.
I suspect during the next 5 years we will be losing many of the great ones-from Baseball and Hockey. My formitive years were the 50's so they will all bring back incredible memories for me.
Gibson WAS extraordinary. No doubt. He holds one of two records that might never be broken: 1.12 ERA. For a season! That's just mind boggling. The other, of course, is Hack Wilson's 190 RBI. I recall reading he had 100 at the end of August. Oh, I see, 90 RBI in September!
And what would these great pitchers do to today's hitters who dig in, act like the inner half of the plate is theirs by divine right, and want to run out to the mound if you come in on them? Can't you just see Don Drysdale, with that big side arm delivery, running it in on these clowns? What's that line from "Field of Dreams?" "Be ready for low and away, but watch out for in your ear."
How do you think Sal "the barber" Maglie got his nickname? If you took liberties at the plate and stuck your stupid head out in the middle, he'd "shave" you.
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Hammer
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Re: Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)
There's a lot of records in baseball that nobody's going to touch.
511 wins (no one is within 90 wins)
7356 IP (no one is within 1400 IP)
5714 strikeouts (no one else has 5,000)
.367 lifetime average
.424 average in a season (only two guys have touched .400 since 1930)
.690 career SLG (2nd place is .634)
Even Rose's 4,256 hits is going to be tough to get to.
There's a lot of records in baseball that nobody's going to touch.
511 wins (no one is within 90 wins)
7356 IP (no one is within 1400 IP)
5714 strikeouts (no one else has 5,000)
.367 lifetime average
.424 average in a season (only two guys have touched .400 since 1930)
.690 career SLG (2nd place is .634)
Even Rose's 4,256 hits is going to be tough to get to.
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All great marks, and you're right. It's just the two I mentioned are SEASON records, which makes it just that much tougher. No "gettin' it next year." 1.12 and 190. Unfreakin' believable. .424 is pretty special, too and is safe. I remember that one of the years he hit .400 Williams had the batting title won, had the at bats, with a double header left to play. He disregarded advice to sit the games out (this is Ted Williams we're talking about here) and went like 5 for 8 in those two games. Maybe the best single season anybody's ever had was Ruth in '21. 59 homers, 171 RBI, 177 runs, .378 BA, 204 hits, .512 OPB and .846 Slugging Pct.
I saw a graphic the other day that Favre is leading Marino by 70 in the career TD pass category. Heck, if you had 70 TD passes in your pro career, you were a darn good quarterback. Maybe all pro a couple of times. Maybe a career shortened by injury.
All great marks, and you're right. It's just the two I mentioned are SEASON records, which makes it just that much tougher. No "gettin' it next year." 1.12 and 190. Unfreakin' believable. .424 is pretty special, too and is safe. I remember that one of the years he hit .400 Williams had the batting title won, had the at bats, with a double header left to play. He disregarded advice to sit the games out (this is Ted Williams we're talking about here) and went like 5 for 8 in those two games. Maybe the best single season anybody's ever had was Ruth in '21. 59 homers, 171 RBI, 177 runs, .378 BA, 204 hits, .512 OPB and .846 Slugging Pct.
I saw a graphic the other day that Favre is leading Marino by 70 in the career TD pass category. Heck, if you had 70 TD passes in your pro career, you were a darn good quarterback. Maybe all pro a couple of times. Maybe a career shortened by injury.
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Hammer
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In 1941 Ted Williams went into the last day of the season sitting at .3995. He played the last day, a DH, and went 6-8 and pushed the average to .406.
No one's touching most of the seasonal pitching records, especially the win totals. No one's winning 41 again, or throwing 376 2/3 IP in a season (that one's from 1972). And as great as Randy Johnson was, I don't think anyone else is getting close to Nolan Ryan's 383 Ks in a season.
In 1941 Ted Williams went into the last day of the season sitting at .3995. He played the last day, a DH, and went 6-8 and pushed the average to .406.
No one's touching most of the seasonal pitching records, especially the win totals. No one's winning 41 again, or throwing 376 2/3 IP in a season (that one's from 1972). And as great as Randy Johnson was, I don't think anyone else is getting close to Nolan Ryan's 383 Ks in a season.
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Thanks for the clarification on Teddy. That makes it even better. Yeah, I think those career marks are pretty safe and the season records are even safer. I remember reading in SI years ago about Williams taking BP at night, in an empty park, with only the lights in the stands on, the outfield was dark. And he was hitting these screaming line drives into the darkened outfield screaming: "I'm Teddy freakin' ballgame," Crack "I'm the best freakin' player in the world," Crack "I'm Teddy freakin' Ballgame" Crack. Until he ran out of balls or the clubhouse guy just gave out. Watching the players react to him like middle school girls at a Justin Bieber concert at the All Star game a few years ago tells you all you need to know about his reputation. Hard case? Unpleasant to the media? All true. Who cares? Lou Boudreau puts on his "shift" and Williams refuses to go the opposite way. THAT's Ted Williams.
Thanks for the clarification on Teddy. That makes it even better. Yeah, I think those career marks are pretty safe and the season records are even safer. I remember reading in SI years ago about Williams taking BP at night, in an empty park, with only the lights in the stands on, the outfield was dark. And he was hitting these screaming line drives into the darkened outfield screaming: "I'm Teddy freakin' ballgame," Crack "I'm the best freakin' player in the world," Crack "I'm Teddy freakin' Ballgame" Crack. Until he ran out of balls or the clubhouse guy just gave out. Watching the players react to him like middle school girls at a Justin Bieber concert at the All Star game a few years ago tells you all you need to know about his reputation. Hard case? Unpleasant to the media? All true. Who cares? Lou Boudreau puts on his "shift" and Williams refuses to go the opposite way. THAT's Ted Williams.
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