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Bring Out Your Dead (Part Whatever v2.0)

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DrDemento said:
As a kid, I saw Basilio fight in a place called St. Nick's Arena in Brooklyn NY. My dad snuck me in as i was underage to see the fights. Basilio fought a 10 rounder there-never saw so much blood again until medical school. Both his and his opponent's.
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It wouldn't be very hard to offer up a persuasive argument that boxing should be outlawed. Dementia pugilistica would be the first reason. I've always been attracted to the bad boys, like Sonny Liston and Roberto Duran. For many years, Liston's manager was an upstanding citizen named Blinky Palermo. One time after Duran ko'ed some guy for about an hour, he told the interviewer "next time we fight I keel him." The interpretor tried to soften the remark. Duran said: "no, no, no, I keel him." Got it. Tyson tried to act like a bad dude. Liston was the real thing. If Tyson had been put in Sonny's prison cell, he'd be grabbing his ankles inside of an hour. Liston was a leg breaker for the mob in St. Louis. He's the guy they'd send around to remind you you were late paying back your juice loan. On one occasion he got into a fight with a St. Louis cop, who clubbed Sonny in the head. Liston took the cop's club away from him and smacked him across the thigh, causing a fracture! Then tossed the cop into a garbage can on the way out. Now THAT's a bad dude.
 
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Old Pio said:
It wouldn't be very hard to offer up a persuasive argument that boxing should be outlawed. Dementia pugilistica would be the first reason. I've always been attracted to the bad boys, like Sonny Liston and Roberto Duran. For many years, Liston's manager was an upstanding citizen named Blinky Palermo. One time after Duran ko'ed some guy for about an hour, he told the interviewer "next time we fight I keel him." The interpretor tried to soften the remark. Duran said: "no, no, no, I keel him." Got it. Tyson tried to act like a bad dude. Liston was the real thing. If Tyson had been put in Sonny's prison cell, he'd be grabbing his ankles inside of an hour. Liston was a leg breaker for the mob in St. Louis. He's the guy they'd send around to remind you you were late paying back your juice loan. On one occasion he got into a fight with a St. Louis cop, who clubbed Sonny in the head. Liston took the cop's club away from him and smacked him across the thigh, causing a fracture! Then tossed the cop into a garbage can on the way out. Now THAT's a bad dude.
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Well he certainly had Floyd Patterson scared.
 
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DrDemento said:
Well he certainly had Floyd Patterson scared.
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Cus D'Amato managed Patterson and kept him away from Liston as long as he could. Ironically,years later, D'Amato's the guy who found Tyson, essentially adopted him, and helped him realize his ring potential. It was only after Cus died and Don King entered the picture that Tyson went significantly off the rails and wound up in prison after raping Desiree Washington. I recall reading that King estalished the Mike Tyson fan club and put his own daughter in charge at 80K! Jesse James did it with a gun.
 
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Old Pio said:
Cus D'Amato managed Patterson and kept him away from Liston as long as he could. Ironically,years later, D'Amato's the guy who found Tyson, essentially adopted him, and helped him realize his ring potential. It was only after Cus died and Don King entered the picture that Tyson went significantly off the rails and wound up in prison after raping Desiree Washington. I recall reading that King estalished the Mike Tyson fan club and put his own daughter in charge at 80K! Jesse James did it with a gun.
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Related: if anyone hasn't watched "Tyson," they should. It will give you a different perspective on the man. His friend did the movie, under the one rule of "NOTHING is untouchable." Don King is the epitome of human scum. And Tyson is the very definition of a man-child. I went into the movie with heavy skepticism, and came away from it wanting to help Mike out. Yeah.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Related: if anyone hasn't watched "Tyson," they should. It will give you a different perspective on the man. His friend did the movie, under the one rule of "NOTHING is untouchable." Don King is the epitome of human scum. And Tyson is the very definition of a man-child. I went into the movie with heavy skepticism, and came away from it wanting to help Mike out. Yeah.
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D'Amato realized Tyson needed to be protected from himself. So he kept Mike up in the mountains with Kevin Rooney and that lady who cooked for them. He eventually became Tyson's legal guardian. It was only after Cus passed away, and King started whispering that racist sh*t in his ear that Tyson began the long unraveling. Unraveling that led to his first loss in Tokyo to Buster Douglas and wound up with him in prison. Where was King during this time? Counting the money. If anybody paid any attention to Olbermann, surely Don King would be on a permanent list of the world's worst people. King is only interested in what's good for King. He has no interest whatsoever in the personal or financial welfare of his boxers. He's a total disgrace. And, like you say, human scum. Only in America indeed.
 
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Old Pio said:
D'Amato realized Tyson needed to be protected from himself. So he kept Mike up in the mountains with Kevin Rooney and that lady who cooked for them. He eventually became Tyson's legal guardian. It was only after Cus passed away, and King started whispering that racist sh*t in his ear that Tyson began the long unraveling. Unraveling that led to his first loss in Tokyo to Buster Douglas and wound up with him in prison. Where was King during this time? Counting the money. If anybody paid any attention to Olbermann, surely Don King would be on a permanent list of the world's worst people. King is only interested in what's good for King. He has no interest whatsoever in the personal or financial welfare of his boxers. He's a total disgrace. And, like you say, human scum. Only in America indeed.
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Pretty much. That movie turned a female Tyson hater into a Tyson sympathizer.:eek:
 
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The NMU family has suffered a great loss... Dave Faiella, NMU's SID passed away today :(
 
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Brenthoven said:
Pretty much. That movie turned a female Tyson hater into a Tyson sympathizer.:eek:
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Is this the TRP thread? :confused::eek:

I tracked back to see what had gotten the thread onto boxing and it was dam convoluted for a Bring out your Dead thread!
 
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goldy_331 said:
Is this the TRP thread? :confused::eek:

I tracked back to see what had gotten the thread onto boxing and it was dam convoluted for a Bring out your Dead thread!
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Do we still get to pass GO and collect the $200?
 
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Dandy Don Meredith signed off for the last time.
 
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ScottM said:
Dandy Don Meredith signed off for the last time.
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BadgerAlum@WMU said:
"Welcome to the Mile High Stadium...and I really am!"
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Funny, I was thinking about him just a few days ago, wondering what was up with him.

Two of Don's remarks will stay with me forever.

1. On one cold evening, the camera got a shot of Otis Sistrunk, bald head and all, with steam rising from his pads. Don said: "There's Otis Sistrunk, from the Univeristy of Mars."

2. On one occasion the camera got a shot of Fair Hooker and Don said: "I've never met one."

MNF used to be a real happening, closer in impact to the Super Bowl than just an ordinary game. There was a memorable moment in Pittsburgh where ABC got a shot of a grizzled Steeler's fan chewing on a cigar, just as he nodded off and the cigar fell into his lap!
 
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Old Pio said:
MNF used to be a real happening, closer in impact to the Super Bowl than just an ordinary game.
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And don't forget Howard's halftime highlights. Just thinking about Howard's voice and that awesome background music gives me chills.
 
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Bomber said:
And don't forget Howard's halftime highlights. Just thinking about Howard's voice and that awesome background music gives me chills.
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Yah, as kids, we'd beg our parents to let us stay up until halftime to see the highlights. MNF is a pale shadow of its former self.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yah, as kids, we'd beg our parents to let us stay up until halftime to see the highlights. MNF is a pale shadow of its former self.
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It was mostly showbiz with a little football thrown in. Remember those phony "drop ins?" Oh, look, John Lennon just "showed up" in our booth (just in time to plug something or other). Because as we all know, John Lennon was a great Bears fan. But we put up with it, just like we put up with WWE. We were getting played for suckers and we didn't care. Remember, Keith Jackson was the original pbp guy, but he wasn't showbizzy enough. Silly guy, he thought the football should be the star. Obviously Roone was right, because they were going up against entertainment programs in prime time, not Sunday afternoons. Had to have a whole different dynamic.

Plus, there was the added suspense of what stupid thing that insufferable drunk Howard would say. Everyone remembers the "little monkey" remark, which IMO was a phony deal. But there was one time when Miami was playing Pittsburgh, very late, Dolphins leading by more than a field goal, putting the ball in play very deep in their territory. Marino (Griese?) deliberately took a safety, cutting the Pittsburgh deficit to 4 points.Howard shrieked "Shula's throwing the game." Of course what the Yale lawyer hadn't taken into consideration was that Pittsburgh would now have to score a TD, had no time outs left, and it was a free kick, which eliminated the block. What a maroon. Miami won, naturally. Nobody much cared that this ignoramus just accused the winningest coach in NFL history of "throwing" a game. In the real world, he would have been "Jimmy the Greeked" in a heartbeat.
 
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