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Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
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claver2010
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Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
So this is coming from the BC side and if you don't want to hear another POV you can just skip.
I think you hit it in your last couple of sentences. In my experience at BC the program has had several "issues" (none on the scale you're experiencing right now) but to me it's all about culture. York & co. do a very good job in the vettting process to make sure BC & college is the route the players and family want to go and they are of the character with the support network to make the right choices. Now are they perfect? No, no one is.
Think in the past half decade how many kids have left to go to the NHL after less than 3 years? Now there have been numerous #1 draft picks, All-Americans, etc but they pretty much all stay 3+ years.
But I remember going down to some Harvard Ave bars when I was in school and seeing BU hockey players out on Thursday nights during the season. I can honestly say I never saw a BC player out on a Thursday night midseason, hell I rarely saw any of them out on a Saturday night after a weekend series. It's all about culture.
So this is coming from the BC side and if you don't want to hear another POV you can just skip.
I think you hit it in your last couple of sentences. In my experience at BC the program has had several "issues" (none on the scale you're experiencing right now) but to me it's all about culture. York & co. do a very good job in the vettting process to make sure BC & college is the route the players and family want to go and they are of the character with the support network to make the right choices. Now are they perfect? No, no one is.
Think in the past half decade how many kids have left to go to the NHL after less than 3 years? Now there have been numerous #1 draft picks, All-Americans, etc but they pretty much all stay 3+ years.
But I remember going down to some Harvard Ave bars when I was in school and seeing BU hockey players out on Thursday nights during the season. I can honestly say I never saw a BC player out on a Thursday night midseason, hell I rarely saw any of them out on a Saturday night after a weekend series. It's all about culture.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
Something else coming down the pipeline? Is the BU peeping tom a hockey player?
Something else coming down the pipeline? Is the BU peeping tom a hockey player?
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
As someone with no legal training, I ask this question: If this case does go to trial, is it possible that either side would raise the matter of the behavior of hockey players in general? I'm referring to the reports of unseemly acts by the players in the dorms and in bars. Behavior that would cause additional damage and embarassment to BU.
As someone with no legal training, I ask this question: If this case does go to trial, is it possible that either side would raise the matter of the behavior of hockey players in general? I'm referring to the reports of unseemly acts by the players in the dorms and in bars. Behavior that would cause additional damage and embarassment to BU.
TonyTheTiger20
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This. And the perceptions on campus of the two teams are complete opposites. At BU it's "big men on campus, party guys" but at BC the perception is, to some extent, that we have a bunch of Jerry York mini-mes. Now, whether or not that's true, that's the perception. And that says a lot about the two programs.
TonyTheTiger20
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You've got to be kidding me
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
What?
theprofromdover
The Original Dope Detector
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
Just a wild guess, bit I believe he is kidding you.
Just a wild guess, bit I believe he is kidding you.
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Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
I doubt the defense is going to raise it...it doesn't cast the defendant in a very positive light. The prosecution might try to raise it as an issue, but the judge may rule it speculative and irrelevant to the case. I expect the defense to fight tooth and nail to prevent it. If it does come up, I expect the defense to say "Even though my client was in this wretched hive of scum and villainy, he acted well...just look how great he looks by comparison." The defense lawyer would then have little choice but to drag the BU hockey program through the mud. But the jury is just as likely to believe that they're all bad and this one guy got caught, so let's make an example of him.
By the by, you wouldn't happen to be a former hockey coach at a Maine private school by any chance?
I doubt the defense is going to raise it...it doesn't cast the defendant in a very positive light. The prosecution might try to raise it as an issue, but the judge may rule it speculative and irrelevant to the case. I expect the defense to fight tooth and nail to prevent it. If it does come up, I expect the defense to say "Even though my client was in this wretched hive of scum and villainy, he acted well...just look how great he looks by comparison." The defense lawyer would then have little choice but to drag the BU hockey program through the mud. But the jury is just as likely to believe that they're all bad and this one guy got caught, so let's make an example of him.
By the by, you wouldn't happen to be a former hockey coach at a Maine private school by any chance?
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Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
Just throwing out a wild guess... since we have an unsolved set of perv cases at BU and apparently more bad news I thought I'd throw it out there.
Where's 3hock?
Just throwing out a wild guess... since we have an unsolved set of perv cases at BU and apparently more bad news I thought I'd throw it out there.
Where's 3hock?
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Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
By all means, let's start speculating!
By all means, let's start speculating!
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Seems unlikely. These boys get to live in the equivalent of the penthouse in the four seasons. Slumming to take phone pix in the showers in warren or west campus is like heading to revere.
Now granted it is done (tiger and ihop parking lots), but highly unlikely.
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buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
ericredaxe
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Zero inside knowledge. But ill guess the administraion and coaches did some digging and there are a couple of named dismissed for "conduct unbecoming".
Either that or tukkia rask is blowing smoke...
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
Holy, holy, holy...holier than thou.
Holy, holy, holy...holier than thou.
claver2010
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Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
As I said, if you didn't want to hear it you can just skip over it. But if you look at the past 5 years or so there are definitely different cultures on the opposite ends of Comm Ave.
As I said, if you didn't want to hear it you can just skip over it. But if you look at the past 5 years or so there are definitely different cultures on the opposite ends of Comm Ave.
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
Come on, get it right. It's Ruikka Task.
It's undeniable that there's been more drama with the BU program in recent years. Now, this year...we have the element of arrests and very concerning allegations. I always say stuff like this can happen anywhere...at any school. Most of it still falls on the individual, but I agree with you that the culture is most certainly a factor.
Come on, get it right. It's Ruikka Task.
It's undeniable that there's been more drama with the BU program in recent years. Now, this year...we have the element of arrests and very concerning allegations. I always say stuff like this can happen anywhere...at any school. Most of it still falls on the individual, but I agree with you that the culture is most certainly a factor.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
At this point, which programs couldn't claim to be holier than BU?
At this point, which programs couldn't claim to be holier than BU?
Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!
I'm sure this won't sit well with many of my fellow BU fans, but I somewhat agree with this. In fact, I brought this topic up several months ago when the "fire Jack" debate was in full off-season swing. When your primary purpose seems to be to act as a farm system for the NHL, can anyone be surprised that a great number of players seem to have a blatant disregard for the school and the reputation of the program? Now, I'm not naive and I'm not saying that characterizing many college athletes (especially at the big time football schools) as student-athletes isn't a joke, but then what is it becoming like here at BU? These guys should not all be Rhodes scholars, but I really feel as though the fact that we have put so many players in the NHL is actually used as the PRIMARY recruiting tool, and NOT the advantage of attending a great school and all of the educational and life experiences that it offers. In my opinion, that is the WRONG approach. And if that is what we have to do to remain competitive (and what other reason would there be for taking this approach other than we are "losing" the battle to get the good players who actually WANT to come to the school?), we shouldn't be surprised when this stuff happens. Why should there be any accountability when a guy is going to stay one year and then leave for the big payday? College is just a stepping-stone. And for those who say, "Of course, it is for ALL of us and we go because it enhances our earning power after we graduate," I don't recall too many chemistry majors or computer-science majors leaving school after one year. Clearly a lot of these guys could care less about the entire college "experience." What I don't understand is, why do they come here in the first place? Why not just go the junior route? There's no way one can argue that they have a BETTER chance to reach the NHL by playing college hockey. So if we are ACTIVELY pursuing this type of person, I don't think we can be surprised that these things are happening. I think it's time for a change of culture at BU.
I'm sure this won't sit well with many of my fellow BU fans, but I somewhat agree with this. In fact, I brought this topic up several months ago when the "fire Jack" debate was in full off-season swing. When your primary purpose seems to be to act as a farm system for the NHL, can anyone be surprised that a great number of players seem to have a blatant disregard for the school and the reputation of the program? Now, I'm not naive and I'm not saying that characterizing many college athletes (especially at the big time football schools) as student-athletes isn't a joke, but then what is it becoming like here at BU? These guys should not all be Rhodes scholars, but I really feel as though the fact that we have put so many players in the NHL is actually used as the PRIMARY recruiting tool, and NOT the advantage of attending a great school and all of the educational and life experiences that it offers. In my opinion, that is the WRONG approach. And if that is what we have to do to remain competitive (and what other reason would there be for taking this approach other than we are "losing" the battle to get the good players who actually WANT to come to the school?), we shouldn't be surprised when this stuff happens. Why should there be any accountability when a guy is going to stay one year and then leave for the big payday? College is just a stepping-stone. And for those who say, "Of course, it is for ALL of us and we go because it enhances our earning power after we graduate," I don't recall too many chemistry majors or computer-science majors leaving school after one year. Clearly a lot of these guys could care less about the entire college "experience." What I don't understand is, why do they come here in the first place? Why not just go the junior route? There's no way one can argue that they have a BETTER chance to reach the NHL by playing college hockey. So if we are ACTIVELY pursuing this type of person, I don't think we can be surprised that these things are happening. I think it's time for a change of culture at BU.
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