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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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Just curious, but how come the BU coaching staff couldn't "push/motivate" a Junior defenseman at the D1 level that has the opportunity to:

1) Win a Beanpot
2) Win a Hockey East Crown
3) Go to the NCAA tournament
4) Go to a Frozen Four

5) Improve his game for the next level.
6) Play for the team he's loved since he was a kid
7) Be part of a winning team
8) Put up All American stats

These quotes on Warsofsky don't pass the smell test.

BU Hockey: If I Don't Want to Be Here, Something Ain't Right

When you do half those things your freshman year, maybe there's a letdown from then on?
 
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I thought the succession plan comments were well thought out and reasonably encouraging. Even if it is Bavis, if he doesn't work out its a lot easier to get rid of him if it comes to that. What I can't get passed is the recruiting when Quinn was here vs after he's left. While some guys may have a decent year here or there, I don't see any Wilson, Bonino, or Yips amongst the forwards.and that worries me.

You don't see any good forwards in the recent recruits? Charlie Coyle? Nieto? and even Gil had his moments this year. Nevermind this is a staff that got Clendening who had an offer from BC and picked up Noonan this past summer and he was huge for this team this year as Parker said numerous times throughout the season. Seems like they expect big things from Hohman and Rodrigues next year as well along with Cisse returning. Not like Yip had the most consistent career either
 
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I know at BC there aren't even tickets, you just walk in. Aren't most of the games sometime Friday in the afternoon? Tough to get to for the working public who have interest.

I would have thought that you had more STHs. You have better attendance than some of the other schools. Not sure how many tickets the team gets to distribute. If there isn't a hefty discount on STHs vs. single games, I can understand someone not going the STH route though due to the schedule.

BU has charged admission since they started the program. The first season prices were $4 per game for individual adult tickets and $2 per game for season tickets. The second season they increased ticket prices to $5/$3, which has remained the same through this season. Group tickets for 10 or more this past season were $2. The Beanpot games are not part of the season ticket package (BU is hosting next season). I also don't know how many tickets the team distributes, but I think it is reasonable to assume that family members of players don't pay (however, to the best of my knowledge they have to pay for parking).

Since the start of the program home games generally have been scheduled for Saturday and/or Sunday afternoon at 3 PM and when a Friday game is scheduled it is usually at 7 PM. There have been exceptions to these dates and times, but they are not common. Also, women's home games normally don't conflict with men's home games, but this has occurred occasionally in the past. The 3 PM Saturday and Sunday start has been great for me and my family. Many Saturdays my family has seen a women’s game at Walter Brown and then gone over to see a men’s game at Agganis .

Regarding admission to women’s games, I know that BU, Northeastern, New Hampshire, Maine and Harvard (ECAC) charge admission. Connecticut and Boston College were free this season, as was Providence a few seasons ago.

As for attendance, BU was second in average attendance this season at 387, up 155 per game. Some of this increase was due to hosting the HE Championship and a NCAA quarterfinal game, but not counting those games attendance was up 97 per game. This coming as attendance was down at four HE schools and flat at two. BC was the only other HE school to see a rise in attendance and that was due to them hosting the Beanpot and a NCAA quarterfinal game this season.

Sean
 
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And that is what I was getting at, Chiasson seemed to take un-needed penalties at some questionable times. I've got no problem witha captain taking penalties, in fact, they have to...but they shouldn't be late in key games on hitting from behind or elbowing etc.

It was just a question, you guys see way more than I do...good to get the insight.

In my personal opinion, I don't think Chiasson is ready to be a captain. I think he has too many temper issues and needs more time to mature. He gets in guys faces, but he does it in a way that annoys them. He doesn't seem to quite understand that that's not necessarily leadership.

That said, I don't see many players on next season's team who I think will make the best leaders. Gaudet has good leadership qualities but doesn't perform on the ice. Ruikka certainly is mature enough and has the work ethic, but I think he's still trying to figure out his place on defense.

Leadership is probably my No. 1 concern for next season.
 
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In my personal opinion, I don't think Chiasson is ready to be a captain. I think he has too many temper issues and needs more time to mature. He gets in guys faces, but he does it in a way that annoys them. He doesn't seem to quite understand that that's not necessarily leadership.

That said, I don't see many players on next season's team who I think will make the best leaders. Gaudet has good leadership qualities but doesn't perform on the ice. Ruikka certainly is mature enough and has the work ethic, but I think he's still trying to figure out his place on defense.

Leadership is probably my No. 1 concern for next season.

I agree that leadership/motivation to play will be the biggest concern because this team has all the talent in the world assuming no more early departures. The one thing I liked most from what Parker said is that with the class coming in next year and Cisse returning that guys are going to lose their spots. If your captains or coaches can't motivate you then the threat of not playing for months at a time certainly should. Parker said guys who are underachieving would be the ones to sit aka not the fourth line. Rosen, Courtnall should see regular ice team with their third linemate to be determined but you could see guys like Gaudet,Megan, Trivino...etc sitting down after a bad game so they better come to play no matter who the captains are with Connolly. I would think Connolly would be the lone C as no one else really seems fit for it. Then I would say Chiasson and Gaudet/Rosen/Courtnall seem like candidates for the A to me.I would love to see Rosen and Courtnall get it for how hard they work on the ice. Did anyone consider Millan for an A too? He is a four year started and carried this team at times last year. I know he seems to get down on himself at times but maybe with a captain responsibility he would stay more positive.
 
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I personally think it'll be Connolly with the C and Chiasson and Millan with the two A's.
 
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You don't see any good forwards in the recent recruits? Charlie Coyle? Nieto? and even Gil had his moments this year. Nevermind this is a staff that got Clendening who had an offer from BC and picked up Noonan this past summer and he was huge for this team this year as Parker said numerous times throughout the season. Seems like they expect big things from Hohman and Rodrigues next year as well along with Cisse returning. Not like Yip had the most consistent career either

Ummm..where did I say there weren't good recruits? What I said was I don't think the recruiting has been as strong the last couple of years as it was during Quinn's time here. Whether that was because of him or not I'd like to know (a question mookie already asked). However, do you think Coyle = Wilson? Nieto = Bonino? Gill = Yip? : and as somebody mentioned Yip struggled with injuries which most people realize.

Look if these guys were so great, how do you explain BU's season this year? I think some of these guys are good but I don't see any stars yet. I'm hoping somebody emerges as a top of the league scorer but at this point they haven't. To win both Hockey East and the nationals we need top, top flight players. The game is too competitive now to be trying to get by with a 30 point scorer and a handful of guys in the 20's with maybe one forward hitting double digit goals.

Lastly, Noonan wasn't "huge" in any way on the ice. He was there, he played decent, better than Fidel for sure, but I wasn't seeing the second coming of Gilroy's senior year out there which is what adjectives like that are usually reserved for. As far as Claddening being recruited by BC, who cares? So was Sabo and look what that got us.
 
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Ummm..where did I say there weren't good recruits? What I said was I don't think the recruiting has been as strong the last couple of years as it was during Quinn's time here. Whether that was because of him or not I'd like to know (a question mookie already asked). However, do you think Coyle = Wilson? Nieto = Bonino? Gill = Yip? : and as somebody mentioned Yip struggled with injuries which most people realize.

Look if these guys were so great, how do you explain BU's season this year? I think some of these guys are good but I don't see any stars yet. I'm hoping somebody emerges as a top of the league scorer but at this point they haven't. To win both Hockey East and the nationals we need top, top flight players. The game is too competitive now to be trying to get by with a 30 point scorer and a handful of guys in the 20's with maybe one forward hitting double digit goals.

Lastly, Noonan wasn't "huge" in any way on the ice. He was there, he played decent, better than Fidel for sure, but I wasn't seeing the second coming of Gilroy's senior year out there which is what adjectives like that are usually reserved for. As far as Claddening being recruited by BC, who cares? So was Sabo and look what that got us.

First, I didn't say they were great. The team obviously had its struggles this season which no one is arguing but you can't just base the freshman class off what the team did as a whole. Wilson,Bonino, and Yip all had help with proven upperclassmen on teams while this team had one senior and juniors that underperformed all year. You don't think Coyle would have been better with a Matt Gilroy on the team?My point is we clearly have the players to win HE next year and make a serious run at the FF. It all depends on how they come together and play as a team. Chiasson,Coyle,Nieto, Connolly, Trivino, and Clendening should all be 30 point guys next year. They have the skill to be and I am sure other guys have the capability as well. Noonan was huge in that he was exactly what this team needed from him all year long but I didn't mean to imply he is going to be a Hobey finalist or anything crazy like that. My point about Clendening was that if the recruiting has dropped since Quinn left why are guys still choosing BU over BC. I don't see a drop in recruits at all. Coyle is afirst round pick, Nieto and Clendening will both go in the first couple rounds in this draft. Gil will be a later pick as well. You can say the coaches aren't getting as much of these guys but in no way are the players we are getting any less than the guys we had two years ago based on talent alone. This is only one year of their careers. Let's give it another season or two before you are saying the recruit level dropped off.
 
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Ummm..where did I say there weren't good recruits? What I said was I don't think the recruiting has been as strong the last couple of years as it was during Quinn's time here. Whether that was because of him or not I'd like to know (a question mookie already asked). However, do you think Coyle = Wilson? Nieto = Bonino? Gill = Yip? : and as somebody mentioned Yip struggled with injuries which most people realize.

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Lastly, Noonan wasn't "huge" in any way on the ice. He was there, he played decent, better than Fidel for sure, but I wasn't seeing the second coming of Gilroy's senior year out there which is what adjectives like that are usually reserved for. As far as Claddening being recruited by BC, who cares? So was Sabo and look what that got us.

Compare coyle/nieto/gill/clendening/noonan to wilson/bonino/shattenkirk/pereira/colby in 2007-2008. Those guys in 07-08 combined for 110 points and only wilson (35) broke the 30 point barrier. coyle and company combined for 115 points, although none of them broke the 30 point mark.

i have a hard time buying the "we can't recruit anymore" based on stuff like that. obviously points aren't the only determining factor in ranking recruits, and it's certainly true that the freshmen from this past season were corralled after we had just won a title. but Bavis still had to go out there and get the guys, it wasn't like they didn't have other top-tier options (with the exception of noonan and gill, i'd assume).

oh and by the way, noonan had more points than gilroy had in his freshman year (15 for noonan, 8 for gilroy). Parker consistently praised noonan for his defense and more than once said he was our best defenseman on the ice for a given game. not sure where this notion of "he's only great if he plays like matt gilroy" came from, but noonan was real good this year
 
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I hope you realize there is a difference between "real good for a team that missed the NCAA tourney" and "real good for a team that excels"! ;)
 
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I hope you realize there is a difference between "real good for a team that missed the NCAA tourney" and "real good for a team that excels"! ;)

i'm gonna go ahead and assume this was directed at me, so yeah of course i know the difference. but considering i can't impartially judge both of their freshman seasons, i figured i would point out that Parker had almost nothing but praise for noonan all year

obviously i realize the argument against my previous post is that this team this season was weaker and therefore allowed for this class of freshmen to excel whereas the class in 07-08 had to compete more for points with a better team. but in reality nobody can effectively say which class of freshmen was best, and all i was attempting to point out was that when you compare points this most recent class comes out on top. if you want to argue otherwise, i challenge you to use facts and not just opinion
 
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First, I didn't say they were great. The team obviously had its struggles this season which no one is arguing but you can't just base the freshman class off what the team did as a whole. Wilson,Bonino, and Yip all had help with proven upperclassmen on teams while this team had one senior and juniors that underperformed all year. You don't think Coyle would have been better with a Matt Gilroy on the team?My point is we clearly have the players to win HE next year and make a serious run at the FF. It all depends on how they come together and play as a team. Chiasson,Coyle,Nieto, Connolly, Trivino, and Clendening should all be 30 point guys next year. They have the skill to be and I am sure other guys have the capability as well. Noonan was huge in that he was exactly what this team needed from him all year long but I didn't mean to imply he is going to be a Hobey finalist or anything crazy like that. My point about Clendening was that if the recruiting has dropped since Quinn left why are guys still choosing BU over BC. I don't see a drop in recruits at all. Coyle is afirst round pick, Nieto and Clendening will both go in the first couple rounds in this draft. Gil will be a later pick as well. You can say the coaches aren't getting as much of these guys but in no way are the players we are getting any less than the guys we had two years ago based on talent alone. This is only one year of their careers. Let's give it another season or two before you are saying the recruit level dropped off.

Again, I'm saying I don't see the same talent out there right now. I'll repeat that again if it helps you out. If Gill turns into the next Wilson, god bless 'em and I'd be as happy as anybody out here. What I worry about is a bunch of career 30 points scores which is fine but doesn't get you a title. Where people are drafted is irrelevant. Who else was looking at them is well. I'll repeat the supposedly highly sought after John Sabo. What separates title winners partly relates to seeing things in a recruit that other schools don't. That can work both ways, a diamond in the rough or a bust. In Sabo's case since he couldn't shoot, skate, pass, or hit people, one has to wonder what made him so sought after unless he just forget how to play the game once he got to BU.

So, I'm not saying "we're doomed" but what I am saying is we need to see some of these guys take the next step. Having watched BU hockey for awhile, its track record has been for guys to plateau or even regress at times. I do worry the recruits aren't as good. Time will tell if that has merit.

Redd, I'm asking a simple question. Do you think, based on whatever criteria matters to you, that Noonan will turn out to be a better player than Gilroy, and take your pick (Connoll, Gill etc) will be better than Wilson? What I'm saying is I'm not expecting that. If you are, step up to the plate and tell us.
 
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Just to clarify on what I said earlier . . .
I don't think Chiasson doesn't get along with his teammates - to the best of my knowledge, he gets along fine with his teammates. My statement about him annoying his teammates comes from something he's said on the record more than once along the lines of "I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind even though people on the team get ****ed off at me."
For the record, I don't think I've met anybody more blunt in my life than Chiasson. He really does call it as he sees it without ever cushioning his words.
 
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Maybe woodword or Bernstein should make a call to Warsofsky and ask?!?!?!? ;)

Working on it.

Well, what really stuck out to me was the most frequently heard comment: "We expected..." I didn't see too many "we demanded" comments. The whole thing reaks of just too much "passivity" for my liking. He just seems to "accept" things instead of being proactive about them. It sounds like the enthusiasm is gone (and I don't blame him, to be honest - if I did the same thing for 38 years I'd be pulling my hair out, if I had any left). BUT, nevertheless, to me, in ANY job, that's a classic example of "It's time for a change."

I wouldn't call Parker passive. We know he's not afraid to yell at a ref, bench a player or dismiss someone from the team. I think it's probably just not realizing that something's as big a problem as it is. I think last year, he just didn't realize how big of a problem the team was having with off-ice stuff until it was too late. And I think this year, he just didn't realize that those uncompetitive practices, regardless of how hard guys were working during them, might actually be hurting the team until, again, it was too late.

The last two years in our postseason sitdown with Parker, he's talked about things he should've done during the season to shake things up, and it kind of makes you wonder why it took until after the season to realize those changes were needed. The only thing I can think of is that he thought things were on the verge of improving and didn't want to risk interrupting something just as it was starting to work. I know there were a few times during the season when he said he thought the power play was moving the puck better and on the verge of breaking out, but it never did until the last 10 games. Maybe he thought the same thing with attitude.

Or maybe it was a situation where come second semester, he thought the games were too big to start changing things up and hoped being in the middle of a postseason push would be enough to motivate guys to play harder. Think of it like this. If they had lost the UMass game when he benched Warsofsky or the PC game when he benched Chiasson, everyone on here would've been saying, "How can you bench one of your best players for any game at this point in the season!?" Well, what if he did shake up the power play or the way he ran practices and things got even worse as a result? It would be easy to make changes like that if the team was out of NCAAs and you were just hoping to catch lightning in a bottle for the HE playoffs. But when you're on the NCAA bubble and maybe things have shown signs of improving? It's obviously a tough call.

No matter what decision you make, you're gonna get criticized if it doesn't work. It's either "Why didn't he shake things up?" or "Why would he change that then?" That's why they say hindsight's 20/20. I'm sure there were changes Parker wishes he had made in the 70s, 80s and 90s, too. It's not like he never made a mistake or misjudged anything until 12 years ago.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Parker, because I definitely think a coach should be able to diagnose a team's problems and fix them in-season. Just throwing out my thoughts on the situation and pointing out how difficult of a job it obviously is.

In my personal opinion, I don't think Chiasson is ready to be a captain. I think he has too many temper issues and needs more time to mature. He gets in guys faces, but he does it in a way that annoys them. He doesn't seem to quite understand that that's not necessarily leadership.

Chiasson obviously needs to cut down on the reactionary penalties, but I don't think there's any problem with the way he gets in his teammates' faces. It was pretty evident to me this year that his teammates have a lot of respect for him, even if they don't always like to hear what he has to say. But someone's gotta say it, and I doubt he was ever wrong with what he was calling guys out for. I've heard him call himself out, too. He just tells it like it is. Sometimes a teammate calling you out for something can be more of a wake-up call than a coach doing it. And he always sticks up for his teammates on the ice, which you obviously want from a captain. To me, Chiasson just seems like one of those guys that you absolutely love when he's on your team and absolutely hate when he's on the other team.

The dumb penalties are the only thing I think Chiasson needs to cut down on to be a good captain. The skill, work ethic, leadership and willingness to call guys out are already there in my opinion. When I was working on my feature on him earlier this season, Pereira told me that one of the things the captains wanted to do was to have kind of a designated leader in each class, and that Chiasson basically grabbed the reigns for the sophomore class from Day 1, ran with it and scooped up some of the freshmen along the way. What Parker and Pereira told me while I was working on that, and what I've heard and seen from Chiasson throughout the season, have me pretty convinced that he's captain material. Parker even said he saw him as a captain as long as he stuck around long enough.
 
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Just to clarify on what I said earlier . . .
I don't think Chiasson doesn't get along with his teammates - to the best of my knowledge, he gets along fine with his teammates. My statement about him annoying his teammates comes from something he's said on the record more than once along the lines of "I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind even though people on the team get ****ed off at me."
For the record, I don't think I've met anybody more blunt in my life than Chiasson. He really does call it as he sees it without ever cushioning his words.

Didn't see this post until after I wrote that novel. I know what you mean, but I got the impression that it was more guys just not wanting to hear what he had to say, probably because they knew he was right. I don't know if guys actually got ****ed at him or got annoyed by him. The only reason someone would get ****ed when someone calls them out is if they think that person's wrong. But athletes know when they're not giving it their all, and so do their teammates. When you're in the room and on the ice with someone every day, you just know. It might just be one day or it might be a consistent problem, but either way you can tell.
 
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so? chiasson will jump on a teammate who is not pulling his share....

as long as chiasson himself is giving it all every shift, that's ok by me.

someone should ask russ bartlett if he felt bad when drury jumped on him... did anyone dislike chris?
 
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