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Boston University 2012 Offseason

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collegefan06 said:
Said the BU celebration was no different then at the other end of Comm Ave except those guys got to celebrate 3 times versus only 1 at BU.
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Perhaps a BC fan with knowledge of these celebrations can chime in here. I fully expect college kids to drink, but a keg on the ice/in the locker room? I don't think that happens everywhere.

collegefan06 said:
He also provided detailed accounts of both the Trivino and Nicastro events. I will choose to keep those accounts to myself but the media and speculation on this board is way off base.
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How convenient for you to do that. Fraud.
 
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collegefan06 said:
Late to the speculation party. At a dinner with former player and his family from the '09 team. He was amused at the account of the Agganis celebration following the NC. Said a keg was at center ice, players skated around spent "team time" together, shot puck, all while fully dressed. He left early as he said he was still recovering from the celebration the night before. Said t was possible a couple of girl friends arrived later in the evening but the notion of group sex made him laugh out loud. Said he and all would have known if such a thing ocurred and that nothing of that nature ever ocurred in his 4 years to his knowledge and that the entire team would know these things.

Said the BU celebration was no different then at the other end of Comm Ave except those guys got to celebrate 3 times versus only 1 at BU.

Take this as you like but this is a kid that was so at ease discussing this and so disappointed at the sensationalistic reports and what it means for the school and team that I saw no indication of any manipulatin of the facts. He also provided detailed accounts of both the Trivino and Nicastro events. I will choose to keep those accounts to myself but the media and speculation on this board is way off base.
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I have an idea of who this player may be, if I'm right, I'm inclined to believe his information.
 
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ericredaxe said:
Why are you so quick to blow off his statement? Or do you have your own info that the Agganis party had to be every bit as wild as The Globe described?
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That's the difference. I don't have my own info. I don't claim to have sources.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Not that I really care anymore but I just fixed this quote towards the end since the Globe merely got their information from another source.
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What difference does it make? We have various accounts and I was wondering why JD is quick to embrace one and blow off the other as a "fraud", when we really have no evidence that one is more reliable than the other.
 
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ericredaxe said:
What difference does it make? We have various accounts and I was wondering why JD is quick to embrace one and blow off the other as a "fraud", when we really have no evidence that one is more reliable than the other.
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A Globe report that came about from a subcommittee/task force who were charged with investigating the hockey team's culture is no more reliable than a guy on an internet message board saying he was told information, but won't reveal that information? Ya, silly me, but I'm going with the Globe on this one.
 
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J.D. said:
A Globe report that came about from a subcommittee/task force who were charged with investigating the hockey team's culture is no more reliable than a guy on an internet message board saying he was told information, but won't reveal that information? Ya, silly me, but I'm going with the Globe on this one.
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But the subcomittie report did not include details on the party becauce they could not corroborate the details... that was something the globe found on their own and also would not / could not identify or reveal info on who gave it the report... seems equally unreliable to me.

But why are you saying Collegefan is a fraud... he was told what he was told and posted it. Are you saying he is lying? That he didn't talk with a team member that was at the party (and admitedlly left early)?
 
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ericredaxe said:
But the subcomittie report did not include details on the party becauce they could not corroborate the details... that was something the globe found on their own and also would not / could not identify or reveal info on who gave it the report... seems equally unreliable to me.

But why are you saying Collegefan is a fraud... he was told what he was told and posted it. Are you saying he is lying? That he didn't talk with a team member that was at the party (and admitedlly left early)?
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If you don't think the Boston Globe is anymore reliable than "collegefan" from the USCHO message board, that's certainly your right. If that's the case, you must be more than skeptical in regard to anything you read in a newspaper.

As for me calling him a fraud, that had nothing to do with his "info" about the party.
 
J.D. said:
If you don't think the Boston Globe is anymore reliable than "collegefan" from the USCHO message board....
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I have already logically pieced together how Mary grew the story in 24hrs. I think I'm right. Obviously don't KNOW that I'm right- but my hypothesis makes sense.
 
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ericredaxe said:
But the subcomittie report did not include details on the party becauce they could not corroborate the details... that was something the globe found on their own and also would not / could not identify or reveal info on who gave it the report... seems equally unreliable to me.
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Tough to tell what you're getting at without clarification. Two things to consider:

1. The subcommittee reports/documentation did include details of this party according to the people they interviewed, which judging from Mary's article, included "several hockey players, students, and an athletics staffer" and they were all consistent in what they said happened there. The actual report of the Task Force did not include these details; the subcommittee information that Mary obtained herself was where she found these detailed accounts of the things that happened that night (I mean, they did happen right? Or are there multiple people conspiring against BU hockey... and who are they!?).

2. Mary seemed to indicate that most names were not included in the report or redacted and that very few names were in that report she obtained. Because of that, she was unable to corroborate any of the details and did not try to do so. She was very clear that she was reporting exactly what she found in the subcommittee documents. The subcommittee did a lot of legwork for her. What she did was obtain hard-to-find information, read the information, and then reported on what it contained.
 
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Her article the first time stated one person told of a sex party. Players and a staffer knew of drinking and Parker reprimanding the team.
Her article the next day stated all those people were now in one group that coroberated debauchery.

If she read that in the report I didn't read that in the 2nd days article. If she interviewed people I didn't read that either (beyond the recently graduated feminist community activist she did interview).
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Tough to tell what you're getting at without clarification. Two things to consider:

1. The subcommittee reports/documentation did include details of this party according to the people they interviewed, which judging from Mary's article, included "several hockey players, students, and an athletics staffer" and they were all consistent in what they said happened there. The actual report of the Task Force did not include these details; the subcommittee information that Mary obtained herself was where she found these detailed accounts of the things that happened that night (I mean, they did happen right? Or are there multiple people conspiring against BU hockey... and who are they!?).

2. Mary seemed to indicate that most names were not included in the report or redacted and that very few names were in that report she obtained. Because of that, she was unable to corroborate any of the details and did not try to do so. She was very clear that she was reporting exactly what she found in the subcommittee documents. The subcommittee did a lot of legwork for her. What she did was obtain hard-to-find information, read the information, and then reported on what it contained.
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From what I remember, the Task Force Report did not include the shock value details of the sex in the penalty box, group sex, naked ice skating, etc. that people were up in arms about. That, from what I remember, came from the Globe reporter uncovering the info from task force interviews that they (TF) could not corroborate. That would imply they heard it from one source, or multiple sources they didn't deem trustworthy enough to publish without risking being proven wrong, thus devaluing the overall report. From what I remember, none of the information in the TFR about the Agganis party (was there any info in the TFR about that party?) was shot down by collegefan's source.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
The actual report of the Task Force did not include these details; the subcommittee information that Mary obtained herself was where she found these detailed accounts of the things that happened that night (I mean, they did happen right? Or are there multiple people conspiring against BU hockey... and who are they!?).
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Nobody is saying anyone is conspiring against BU hockey. I think the point is that you can paint two very different pictures of a party based on the on paper events.

Some friends that snuck beer into Agganis, drank some on the ice and in the locker room while one couple snuck off and did it in the penalty box is a heck of a lot different from a rager where people were lined up having group sex in the penalty box isn't it?

I think that for the sake of her article, Mary would want to paint the picture to be as if it was an outrageous party as possible, while Colby (for example) wanted to paint it to be quite a bit more tame. The truth is probablly somewhere in between.

The overall point, however, is that I don't think someone should be accused of being a liar or fraud simply because they shared the version of the story that they heard.
 
J.D. said:
If you don't think the Boston Globe is anymore reliable than "collegefan" from the USCHO message board
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In all fairness, the Glob certainly isn't what it used to be. And we could all do with a dose of tolerant skepticism in regards to any news source.
 
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ericredaxe said:
The overall point, however, is that I don't think someone should be accused of being a liar or fraud simply because they shared the version of the story that they heard.
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Again, I did not call him a fraud for what he claims to have heard about the party.
 
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