Boston University 2012 Offseason

[Onion Man]

Re: Boston University 2012 Offseason

And I'm guessing your dad is also your uncle and your mom is also your aunt with zero facts to go on beyond the above stupidity.

mwade, first, thanks for taking the time to post about hockey and not pimping your photos for a change. Now, Vinnie Saponari makes a rap song about sexual conquests, is dismissed from the program after 2009 and there is no reason to think he was a part of this post celebration party? I"m guessing you have your head in the sand like many of the "hockey players can do no wrong" society on this message board.

Ps- Good luck with your photos.

 

[Onion Man]

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Friday's Globe article was much more troubling than Thursday's.
The writer actually used a journalistic trick. If you re-read the story, she released details in the report that had to be confirmed, because she had the,. Then she took charges that couldn't be confirm, or had no substantiation ... and she brought them up anyway, even though she knew she couldn't get answers.

The parts that could be confirmed were ****ing enough. Then she sensationalized it even further.

If I was her editor and was looking to sell papers, she did well.
If I had wanted her to stick to the facts, she went well beyond the pale.

But, as I said, the facts that she was able to substantiate are more than troubling on their own.

Sweet Moses, you guys are now blaming the reporter??!!! WOW.

 

[pirate]

mwade, first, thanks for taking the time to post about hockey and not pimping your photos for a change. Now, Vinnie Saponari makes a rap song about sexual conquests, is dismissed from the program after 2009 and there is no reason to think he was a part of this post celebration party? I"m guessing you have your head in the sand like many of the "hockey players can do no wrong" society on this message board.

Ps- Good luck with your photos.

So you are saying you know he was there? Reason to think is the phrase you used...try applying to yourself.

And mwade, keep taking, posting and offering pictures...you do more to promote college hockey than this pinhead wannabe.

 

[walrus]

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You got us, but which is it...Parker only recruits sexually aggressive males or, since he recruits the same kids as everybody else only the sexually aggressive ones accept or they were all nice guys until he taught them to be sexually aggressive?.

Saying Parker taught them is a joke, saying the atmosphere allowed it to happen, isn't. When Maine got sanctioned way back when, the Hockey players at UMaine could do no wrong. Sounds kind of the same if you ask me. Only talking talking about the atmosphere around the program not specific violations.

 

[BU2K]

mwade, first, thanks for taking the time to post about hockey and not pimping your photos for a change. Now, Vinnie Saponari makes a rap song about sexual conquests, is dismissed from the program after 2009 and there is no reason to think he was a part of this post celebration party? I"m guessing you have your head in the sand like many of the "hockey players can do no wrong" society on this message board.

Ps- Good luck with your photos.

Vinnie and Colby were at the library studying after a long day of feeding the homeless and finding parents for orphans...

 

[Chris_NH]

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Parker is the Incredible Shrinking Man with every day he steadfastly clings to his job. In Japan, leaders with this sort of humiliation wrung around their necks take elevators to the rooftop and take another way down.

 

[mwade]

Re: Boston University 2012 Offseason

mwade, first, thanks for taking the time to post about hockey and not pimping your photos for a change. Now, Vinnie Saponari makes a rap song about sexual conquests, is dismissed from the program after 2009 and there is no reason to think he was a part of this post celebration party? I"m guessing you have your head in the sand like many of the "hockey players can do no wrong" society on this message board.

Ps- Good luck with your photos.

You were implying that Saponari did something more than take part in the Agganis celebration AND you added Andrew Glass into that accusation. Yes, I do bring up my images from time to time, but if you look at my posts in BU threads you will find the vast majority are hockey-related w/ no mention of them outside of my signature. Probably a higher percentage than you.

 

[Boston22]

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mwade, first, thanks for taking the time to post about hockey and not pimping your photos for a change. Now, Vinnie Saponari makes a rap song about sexual conquests, is dismissed from the program after 2009 and there is no reason to think he was a part of this post celebration party? I"m guessing you have your head in the sand like many of the "hockey players can do no wrong" society on this message board.

Ps- Good luck with your photos.

Two small corrections-- it's actually spelled "Vinny." And he was dismissed after the 2010 season, not 2009.

 

[Patman]

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You got us, but which is it...Parker only recruits sexually aggressive males or, since he recruits the same kids as everybody else only the sexually aggressive ones accept or they were all nice guys until he taught them to be sexually aggressive?

Yes, that's exactly what I said. rolleyes I think a younger Parker would still have things under control. Clearly, right now, he doesn't. So, is it just "bad luck" or is it something about the type of person he brings in and the culture he's allowed to set in place? When you've been around a place about 40 years the way things are have a lot to do with the culture that you (personally) have established.

 

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[TonyTheTiger20]

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mwade, first, thanks for taking the time to post about hockey and not pimping your photos for a change.

That was a little unnecessary, no?

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[BC/HE]

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Now if Melissa had done her job right and showed up at the post championship celebration and took photos everything would have been documented and they could settle this once and for all.
In all seriousness BU needs a fresh start out of this mess. It hurts all of college hockey not just BU. There is too much to lose should this expand. The athletics department needs to clean house and get a no nonsense leader for this team.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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Sweet Moses, you guys are now blaming the reporter??!!! WOW.

Here is what she did in Friday's article.
She had more information that she had for Thursday's article, with attribution, and asked the questions. The questions and answers there were troubling enough, and she was doing her job.
Then she went fishing.
There was no evidence that grades had been changed, she knew that, and brought it up anyway. The hockey program was one of a bunch at BU that the NCAA recognized for having a perfect Academic Progress Rate score of 1,000.
http://www.goterriers.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/062012aaa.html

Here is another scenario of that journalistic trick used to sensationalize what already may be a juicy story further.
Let's say a politician, or Arkansas football coach, is caught is a compromising situation involving law enforcement and someone other than their spouse.
Asking questions about that situation, as well the other person involved is fair game.
Then the journalist asks: 'do you beat your wife,' or 'when did you stop beating your wife.'
The wife had nothing to do with the story, the journalist knows this, and brings it up anyway.

The hockey players being out of control, the wild party after the '09 NCAAs, the drinking and sense of entitlement were all in the bounds of what she should have reported, and she did.
Asking if BU admitted players with lower board scores than average students was also within bounds.

But another fact is that BU is graduating its players as the APR indicates. She should have stuck to reporting the commission findings on the academic issues in a news article, which is what Friday's article was. An editorial or column can go where she went on Friday, but not a straight news story.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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If we only knew the commission findings and the information from Thursday's Globe article, it would have been a black eye for BU. It would have been an embarrassment, for sure. But the commission had presented its findings, made its recommendations, which were being followed, and it would have been time to move on.

Friday's article, with the information that had not been made public, were much more troubling. The Globe's editorial said that BU must "confront Parker" on this, if change is really going to happen.
Confronting Parker should be minimum. That stops short of firing him. But I am wondering where this is going right now?

Is Pres. Brown meeting with Parker now? He has three years remaining on his contract. Are they negotiating an exit strategy? A buyout?
Is Brown telling Parker that he should retire now? That this is too big a distraction, too big of an embarrassment and that he needs to step aside for the good of the program, and even more importantly, for the university?
Would he give him the option of announcing that he will coach this year, but retire at the end of the season?
Is he thinking of firing Parker, if he doesn't agree to go sooner than later? Or will the commission recommendations be the outcome?
Any, and all of these scenarios are possible. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.

I am confident that Mike Lynch has had a list of potential replacements ready, just in case.
If Parker does go, where does BU go from here?

Mike Sullivan, David Quinn, John Hynes and Mike Bavis have all been discussed as possible eventual replacements.
The currently situation almost certainly would rule out Bavis, since he is part of the program now.
Quinn was part of the staff of the '09 NCAA title team. That should work in his favor. But that is also when the crazy party took place. However he left after that season, so that may play no role.

I always thought Sullivan and Quinn were the most likely candidates, with Sullivan getting an edge having been a NHL head coach. Hynes being the dark horse.
Are they available, and would they want the job?

If BU were looking for an interim coach, Toot Cahoon is out there. Not sure how the fan base would feel about that?

Despite everything, top notch recruits are still committing to BU.
The Globe editorial suggestion that BU stop bringing in NHL draft choices is completely unrealistic, unless BU wants to scale down the program to Atlantic Hockey level. And we all know that is going to happen.

The road that BU takes from here, both short and long term, will be interesting to watch.

 

[J.D.]

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whether you like it or not, this "statistic" speaks to the integrity of the academics there.
unlike other schools BU does not simply pass illiterates (complete illiterates, not just kids with low SAT scores, I mean kids who cannot spell their own names..)
and BU obviously do not hand out A's willy nilly like many of the schools with special classes for jocks... GOOD FOR BU.

BUT, if I had to guess, I would say that there is something going on behind the scenes causing the women who orientally claimed to have been victims of sexual assault to get them to change their minds and not testify.

Oh this is just fantastic. How the hell do you know that other schools are making their statistics look good? Do you have connections with every Hockey East school? I do love how you throw it out there, but don't mention which schools. Just keep talking out of your *** as usual.

Orientally claimed? I like it. Anyway, I recommend you look up the statistics on sexual assault victims and whether or not they go through with testifying.

 

[Redd10]

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Parker is the Incredible Shrinking Man with every day he steadfastly clings to his job. In Japan, leaders with this sort of humiliation wrung around their necks take elevators to the rooftop and take another way down.

The stairs?

 

[Pucknut]

Re: Boston University 2012 Offseason

The stairs?

And what year did you graduate from BU?

 

[Osorojo]

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Perverts will always hang around shower rooms and the behavior of BMOC athletes will always test the tolerance of school authorities. The issue is whether school authorities should condone or ignore repulsive behavior. [Hint: We all know the answer.] B.U. appears to be on the right track.

 

[J.D.]

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just because I wrote it does not make it false.

And it doesn't mean it's true, either. Personally, I think you're full of crap.

 

[ericredaxe]

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Confronting Parker should be minimum. That stops short of firing him. But I am wondering where this is going right now?

Is Pres. Brown meeting with Parker now? He has three years remaining on his contract. Are they negotiating an exit strategy? A buyout?
Is Brown telling Parker that he should retire now? That this is too big a distraction, too big of an embarrassment and that he needs to step aside for the good of the program, and even more importantly, for the university?
Would he give him the option of announcing that he will coach this year, but retire at the end of the season?
Is he thinking of firing Parker, if he doesn't agree to go sooner than later? Or will the commission recommendations be the outcome?
Any, and all of these scenarios are possible. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.

The road that BU takes from here, both short and long term, will be interesting to watch.

I would suspect that if Brown has not already met with Parker, that they will be doing so soon. I would guess that unless some other bad stuff comes up (like perhaps the staff covered up assaults etc) then Jack is not getting fired over this. As far as we know nothing like that has happened. Everything we know tells us that the assaults were immediately reported and the offenders immediatley dismissed / suspended.

As far as the other bad behavior (like the Agganis keg party), I certinally can't imagine that the coaches encouraged or approved of it. The coaches of course know the kids are going to party etc, but it appears that the degree to which it was happening (as well as the entitlement attitude to go along with it), certinally got away from them in a way that they never anticipated.

I just re-read the recommendations of the commission, and they seem well thought out and reasonable to me. Will the hockey program and other athletic programs be implementing them for sure?