Boston University 2012 Offseason

[pirate]

What is going on at BU is not a laughing matter. This is serious. Jack Parker needs to step down immediately and take responsibility. How he could let this happen on his watch is beyond me. Does the school seriously condone this kind of behavior by looking the other way in the pursuit of national championships? Why did it take this long for all of this to come to the forefront?

The BU hockey program needs to shut down for a year at least and there have to be guidelines and oversight put into place so that this never happens again. I get that young people are prone to make some bad choices but this goes way beyond that. What an absolute disgrace.

Great perspective, Tipper.

I was wondering what you were up to since Al is retired.

 

[J.D.]

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I CALL BULL****!!!'. Cause we know you do

Well, I do read all of your posts...

 

[Rogie21]

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It seems to me that BU is recruiting the "wrong" kids. Kids that should be playing Major Junior (good hockey players, but have no interest in school whatsoever). I dont mean EVERY BU player, because certainly many of them are upstanding students and good overall people who were brought up well by their parents.

If BU is recruiting the “wrong” kids, what does that say about the other schools who recruited the same kids? With very few exceptions, every BU scholarship player had multiple offers. In recent years, players who chose BU were recruited by schools including Harvard, Michigan, Michigan State, North Dakota, Wisconsin, BC and others. Trivino was pursued by numerous CCHA and Hockey East schools. Even kids like Warsofsky, who always a slamdunk for BU, had offers from other schools.

Clearly, BU has serious problems, but recruiting the wrong kids isn’t one of them.

And nice job with innuendo regarding Saponari and Glass. Neither dismissal was due to drinking or sexual activity. Saponari has pretty much acknowledged some of the on-ice discipline issues that caused his demise.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

If BU is recruiting the “wrong” kids, what does that say about the other schools who recruited the same kids? With very few exceptions, every BU scholarship player had multiple offers. In recent years, players who chose BU were recruited by schools including Harvard, Michigan, Michigan State, North Dakota, Wisconsin, BC and others. Trivino was pursued by numerous CCHA and Hockey East schools. Even kids like Warsofsky, who always a slamdunk for BU, had offers from other schools.

Clearly, BU has serious problems, but recruiting the wrong kids isn’t one of them.

And nice job with innuendo regarding Saponari and Glass. Neither dismissal was due to drinking or sexual activity. Saponari has pretty much acknowledged some of the on-ice discipline issues that caused his demise.

Duh Glass was kicked out for studying and having confidence in himself in a self-assessment remember? Or is Senile Jack still confused and changing his story as to why he cleaned out Glass' locker?

 

[mwade]

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I'm guessing (with zero facts to back it up) that Vinnie Saponari was a major problem for Parker in 2009 and he booted for reasons like this story. Makes you wonder if guys like Andrew Glass was too considering his mysterious exodus a few years ago, too.

And I'm guessing your dad is also your uncle and your mom is also your aunt with zero facts to go on beyond the above stupidity.

 

[CDRAL]

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Has anyone asked the following questions:

1. Who leaked the report that was supposed to be confidential to protect the identities of the persons sumitting information and

2. How much of what the Globe is taking as gospel was unverified by the TF?

 

[ericredaxe]

Has anyone asked the following questions:

1. Who leaked the report that was supposed to be confidential to protect the identities of the persons sumitting information and

2. How much of what the Globe is taking as gospel was unverified by the TF?

Good questions......

 

[brassbonanza]

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Has anyone asked the following questions:

1. Who leaked the report that was supposed to be confidential to protect the identities of the persons sumitting information and

2. How much of what the Globe is taking as gospel was unverified by the TF?

I'd also like to know where they got the info since BU is not a public school and thus not required to make such information public, and it's not subject to an FOI request.

Also, I believe most of the reports of individual incidents like the one about the girl claiming the player put his hand down her pants were singular accounts that the TF could not confirm actually happened and did not include for that reason. The Agganis party most definitely happened, specifically what details were true, who knows, but the thing is, nothing happened either in the account from the paper or in the stories I've heard, that wouldn't happen at your average Friday night frat party. Is it wrong for the team to do it? Probably, though the season was over and they had the right to celebrate, and they probably should've done it at someone's house instead, but if they're going to be chastised for drinking and having sex, then 95% of other college students should be chastised for the same thing.

 

[mookie1995]

Has anyone asked the following questions:

1. Who leaked the report that was supposed to be confidential to protect the identities of the persons sumitting information and

2. How much of what the Globe is taking as gospel was unverified by the TF?

This Mary at the globe was the reporter who wrote about this back in the winter. I emailed her some questions i still have and tried to push her in that direction then. I still have yet to see answers now as then. She has only moved onto quoting a female activist now.

Seems getting facts is old school. Easier to keep asking questions (which, I can do from home ). I want them to get me answers like woodward and Bernstein did.

I feel like Jon malkovich's character in Red, " I remember the secret service being tougher"

 

[pirate]

Has anyone asked the following questions:

1. Who leaked the report that was supposed to be confidential to protect the identities of the persons sumitting information and

2. How much of what the Globe is taking as gospel was unverified by the TF?

Hoky, who else?

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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Has anyone asked the following questions:

1. Who leaked the report that was supposed to be confidential to protect the identities of the persons sumitting information and

2. How much of what the Globe is taking as gospel was unverified by the TF?

Friday's Globe article was much more troubling than Thursday's.
The writer actually used a journalistic trick. If you re-read the story, she released details in the report that had to be confirmed, because she had the,. Then she took charges that couldn't be confirm, or had no substantiation ... and she brought them up anyway, even though she knew she couldn't get answers.

The parts that could be confirmed were ****ing enough. Then she sensationalized it even further.

If I was her editor and was looking to sell papers, she did well.
If I had wanted her to stick to the facts, she went well beyond the pale.

But, as I said, the facts that she was able to substantiate are more than troubling on their own.

 

[brassbonanza]

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Friday's Globe article was much more troubling than Thursday's.
The writer actually used a journalistic trick. If you re-read the story, she released details in the report that had to be confirmed, because she had the,. Then she took charges that couldn't be confirm, or had no substantiation ... and she brought them up anyway, even though she knew she couldn't get answers.

The parts that could be confirmed were ****ing enough. Then she sensationalized it even further.

If I was her editor and was looking to sell papers, she did well.
If I had wanted her to stick to the facts, she went well beyond the pale.

But, as I said, the facts that she was able to substantiate are more than troubling on their own.

Troubling, but not at all illegal, and not exclusive to BU hockey, or to BU as a university. Thus this Penn State-ification by the Globe is not warranted.

 

[Ryecheers]

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Troubling, but not at all illegal, and not exclusive to BU hockey, or to BU as a university. Thus this Penn State-ification by the Globe is not warranted.

Are you saying it's "not warranted", because the victims were co-eds rather than children? Or because you believe that, with a network built over a 40 year period at the university, coach parker really didn't know what was going on and deeply cares about his players' education?

 

[ericredaxe]

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Are you saying it's "not warranted", because the victims were co-eds rather than children? Or because you believe that, with a network built over a 40 year period at the university, coach parker really didn't know what was going on and deeply cares about his players' education?

Are you suggesting that the coaching staff and university covered up other sexual assaults?

 

[J.D.]

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Troubling, but not at all illegal, and not exclusive to BU hockey, or to BU as a university. Thus this Penn State-ification by the Globe is not warranted.

Penn State-ification by the Globe? Are you kidding me? There's no comparison between the media coverage the Penn State fiasco got and what this BU debacle has gotten. None. Both got what they deserved in terms of coverage, but they're not even remotely close. Suck it up, take your lumps and move on. We're talking about college hockey here. It's not like this is gonna be talked about in the media for a long time. And it's not like BU is facing possible sanctions. The fact of the matter is all the negative publicity BU has gotten has been more than deserved. Don't worry, it will end soon--if it hasn't already.

 

[BUTerrierfan]

Are you suggesting that the coaching staff and university covered up other sexual assaults?

I think everyone needs to be very careful with what they are saying and implying. This is going to get out of control and create a mob mentality. Although the staff was obviously in place in 2009, let's be VERY CLEAR...

Not one player on this years team was part of that 2009 team
None of them were part of any post championship ruckus we've now learned about.

 

[Patman]

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Troubling, but not at all illegal, and not exclusive to BU hockey, or to BU as a university. Thus this Penn State-ification by the Globe is not warranted.

Please stop justifying mal-behavior. While this does not rise to a Penn State level you should be embarrassed that your institution has allowed these conditions to manifest. If it were my school I'd be livid.

It is a culture. You think it happened on its own? There's always elements everywhere but for some reason BU seems to have a problem about it coming out in the open. Do you think its because everybody hates you? I'll tell you this, the only people who hate BU are affiliated with BC. I didn't have a great view of Parker before this, I'll admit that.

Point is, its been history. Your players have issues. They are public, they are known, and you are trying to plaster over it. Don't. There's a destructive culture that's brewing here. My opinion is that Parker brings in aggressive males because he thinks he can control them. Its an alpha male thing. Problem is he can't and problem is he won't because he wants to have it both ways.

I find it hard to believe he is ignorant of the players he brings in.

 

[brassbonanza]

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Please stop justifying mal-behavior. While this does not rise to a Penn State level you should be embarrassed that your institution has allowed these conditions to manifest. If it were my school I'd be livid.

It is a culture. You think it happened on its own? There's always elements everywhere but for some reason BU seems to have a problem about it coming out in the open. Do you think its because everybody hates you? I'll tell you this, the only people who hate BU are affiliated with BC. I didn't have a great view of Parker before this, I'll admit that.

Point is, its been history. Your players have issues. They are public, they are known, and you are trying to plaster over it. Don't. There's a destructive culture that's brewing here. My opinion is that Parker brings in aggressive males because he thinks he can control them. Its an alpha male thing. Problem is he can't and problem is he won't because he wants to have it both ways.

I find it hard to believe he is ignorant of the players he brings in.

You misinterpret my statements as justifying it, in no way am I doing so. Clearly there needs to be changes made, and even one sexual assault is too many. My point goes to the attempt by some in the media to turn the situation at BU into what happened at Penn State, when the two situations are not comparable. There have been calls in the Globe and elsewhere for BU to shut down the program for a year and fire everyone associated with the hockey team and athletic administration. Someone even suggested that this happened because BU is not a religious-enough institution. That's where my comments on this subject are rooted. This has been a huge black eye for the program, but not one they can't recover from with necessary changes in policy and practice.

I won't agree with your assessment of the players Parker brings in and how that fosters this mentality, from the few I've met personally, that's not the impression of their persona that I got, but we can agree to disagree there.

 

[J.D.]

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The media is not trying to turn this into what happened with Penn State. That situation was talked about EVERY day. That's not gonna be the case here. That's just an asinine comment. You sound surprised that there are people out there saying certain things about BU. Why are you surprised? That's what happens with message boards, comment sections of online articles, etc.

 

[pirate]

Please stop justifying mal-behavior. While this does not rise to a Penn State level you should be embarrassed that your institution has allowed these conditions to manifest. If it were my school I'd be livid.

It is a culture. You think it happened on its own? There's always elements everywhere but for some reason BU seems to have a problem about it coming out in the open. Do you think its because everybody hates you? I'll tell you this, the only people who hate BU are affiliated with BC. I didn't have a great view of Parker before this, I'll admit that.

Point is, its been history. Your players have issues. They are public, they are known, and you are trying to plaster over it. Don't. There's a destructive culture that's brewing here. My opinion is that Parker brings in aggressive males because he thinks he can control them. Its an alpha male thing. Problem is he can't and problem is he won't because he wants to have it both ways.

I find it hard to believe he is ignorant of the players he brings in.

You got us, but which is it...Parker only recruits sexually aggressive males or, since he recruits the same kids as everybody else only the sexually aggressive ones accept or they were all nice guys until he taught them to be sexually aggressive?

Which is it, that would over the span of 40 years, result in how many rapes? How many sexual assaults?

How many of each of those has been proven, charged or insinuated?

Nobody is pro-assault. Nobody wants any of this to happen. Clearly things did happen and the school, Parker and certain players should pay the price...an appropriate price.

If you feel you are more qualified than the panel to make those determinations then you either have a voluminous and very specific set of skills and experiences combined with a true gift in terms of judgment OR you are not equipped to make an educated determination of what happened and what should be done but figure we just can't get through this issue without your half-baked opinions.

I'll mark you down for the latter.