Boston University 2012 Offseason

[mookie1995]

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http://gma.yahoo.com/boston-univers...titlement-160942199--abc-news-topstories.html

It was so nice of Mike Eruzione to compare what the BU players did to the UCONN womens basketball team. WTH was he thinking?

"Olympic champion and former BU player Mike Eruzione, who was consulted by the task force, told WCVB that he believes the report is applicable to all of college athletics, not just BU's hockey team.
"I think athletes, men and women, sometimes feel a sense of entitlement because of the stature that they carry at a university -- whether it's a hockey player at BU, football player at Texas or a woman basketball player at UConn. What I was happy about is that they found is that's really nothing drastically wrong with the BU hockey program -- I think it's more the culture of college athletics," he said."

that's a stretch LT... sorry

 

[brassbonanza]

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"Olympic champion and former BU player Mike Eruzione, who was consulted by the task force, told WCVB that he believes the report is applicable to all of college athletics, not just BU's hockey team.
"I think athletes, men and women, sometimes feel a sense of entitlement because of the stature that they carry at a university -- whether it's a hockey player at BU, football player at Texas or a woman basketball player at UConn. What I was happy about is that they found is that's really nothing drastically wrong with the BU hockey program -- I think it's more the culture of college athletics," he said."

that's a stretch LT... sorry

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that the question asked to him was something to the effect of comment on the sense of entitlement among high profile college athletes, and not comment on the sense of sexual entitlement among high profile college athletes. From what I know, the first statement can most definitely be applied, in some cases, to former UConn women's basketball players.

 

[mookie1995]

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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that the question asked to him was something to the effect of comment on the sense of entitlement among high profile college athletes, and not comment on the sense of sexual entitlement among high profile college athletes. From what I know, the first statement can most definitely be applied, in some cases, to former UConn women's basketball players.

mike doesn't need any benefit of the doubt here. the words as transcribed speak for themselves. the report the task force put out didn't limit themselves to sexual assault. they went much further.

to read anyone make a comment about only the two arrests is missing the point.

 

[J.D.]

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"What I was happy about is that they found is that's really nothing drastically wrong with the BU hockey program -- I think it's more the culture of college athletics," he said."

There might not be something drastically wrong with the BU hockey program, but there's at least something wrong with it. And I don't think it's fair to say it's more the culture of college athletics. That's a cop out and way too simplistic. Sure, college athletes feeling entitled isn't isolated to BU, but not every place has multiple incidents like this within the same team, within the same year.

 

[mookie1995]

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There might not be something drastically wrong with the BU hockey program, but there's at least something wrong with it. And I don't think it's fair to say it's more the culture of college athletics. That's a cop out and way too simplistic. Sure, college athletes feeling entitled isn't isolated to BU, but not every place has multiple incidents like this within the same team, within the same year.

nowhere do i read mike saying there is nothing wrong. he said there is nothing DRASTICALLY wrong.

i think many came here back at that time and agreed with his next comment. that it was a sense of entitlement that allowed these kids to think they could do what they want to whomever they want. hero worship. having people follow your progress from a young age. being selected to travel on select teams at the same young age. while some can take this with a dose of humility and appreciation.... some others don't.

while some came on here and offered excuses and shifted blame, i think the majority admitted what happened. they were embarrassed. angry. wanted this to stop immediately. unlike penn st where those in charge tried to keep things quiet to protect the program, NOTHING like that happened here. this time. and the people in charge of the hockey program have been accepting of these recommendations so far to take steps that this doesn't happen again. because it absofrickinglutely better not.

 

[J.D.]

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Ya, I just don't like the way he worded it. He's trying to pass the buck in saying it's more about college athletics in general.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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I fully agree that it makes no sense for a university to suggest that its athletes should not be allowed to be enrolled in a certain program in the school. If MET is part of the university (and it is), then there is no reason that athletes shouldn't be allowed to enroll in it. If MET is indeed less rigorous than the other colleges then why should athletes be held to a higher standard than the average student. I agree that athletes should be held to an equal standard and since the average student is allowed to enroll in MET, athletes should as well.

The university needs to do a much better job explaining this part. It does give the impression that MET is a less rigorous program.
But I believe that is not the intent at all. There was also a statement about taking classes with students of the same age.
They want the players more integrated into campus life, and to be taking classes with fellow students of the same age.
MET students are often older students, and professionals that come on to campus for night classes.
I didn't read it is a slap at MET.
MET is a great program, but may not be the right program for full-time student-athletes to be fully integrated into campus life.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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It's Boston University led by an egomaniac in Jack Parker. Of course the players are going to feel entitled.

I attend a number of Brown games every year. At Brown, it would be amazing if anyone knew who any of the hockey players were. There is no sense of hockey entitlement at Brown because there is barely a sense that Brown hockey even exists amongst its own student body.

 

[Tater]

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i think many came here back at that time and agreed with his next comment. that it was a sense of entitlement that allowed these kids to think they could do what they want to whomever they want. hero worship. having people follow your progress from a young age. being selected to travel on select teams at the same young age. while some can take this with a dose of humility and appreciation.... some others don't.

while some came on here and offered excuses and shifted blame, i think the majority admitted what happened. they were embarrassed. angry. wanted this to stop immediately. unlike penn st where those in charge tried to keep things quiet to protect the program, NOTHING like that happened here. this time. and the people in charge of the hockey program have been accepting of these recommendations so far to take steps that this doesn't happen again. because it absofrickinglutely better not.

Well said agree 100%.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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This is all so ridiculous. Athletes from the beginning of time have been able to pick up girls more easily than others. I guarantee you players at Maine, UNH, Merrimack, Lowell, etc have the same feelings that BU players do. These players are the big men on campus. That will never change as long as there are college athletics.

Where it crosses the line is sexual assaults, not the entitlement.

Just to make clear, what I am saying is that a lot of people feel entitled. Not everyone who feels entitled sexually assaults girls.

But did the sense of entitlement create an atmosphere that helped to lead to the alleged sexual assaults?
I believe that the commission found that it did.

I completely agree that a lot of this goes on all throughout college athletics. Even high school athletics.
The alleged assaults made it necessary to see why it went beyond the "normal" college athletic entitlement.
I think they came up with some good suggestions, not just for BU hockey, but for BU athletics in general and other athletic programs.
It boils down to this: student-athletes need to be more a part of regular campus life, and not be so isolated.
It would be nice if the players that choose the college hockey route do so because they want to experience regular campus life.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Boy today's globe article sure is interesting! No culture problem. Nope! Did Parker lie to the task force? Seems like a good possibility according to this article. Seems he has trouble getting his story straight.

 

[sw09]

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http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...tee-reports/ekiKZxGXpGgFfPQ4gzNQ9O/story.html is what he is alluding to.

 

[BigRedTerrier]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...tee-reports/ekiKZxGXpGgFfPQ4gzNQ9O/story.html is what he is alluding to.

I feel most the findings of this commission aren't specific to BU, but rather the culture around student athletes in general, with a few guys that clearly took it too far

I wish they had used this as an opportunity to clean house and make BU hockey a place where more is expected of the players, even if it means sacrificing what little success they've had as of late. This is a unique chance to say "No, we hold our athletes to even a higher standard than the average student."

To this fan, this feels very much like a situation where little will change about a culture that produces these bad apples. Im sadly satisfied with my decision not to renew season to tickets and will most likely not attend any BU games until I feel that they have demonstrated a willingness to do more than the bare minimum to address this problem

 

[claver2010]

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More specifically this:

In the documents, which were obtained by the Globe on Thursday, were tales of a late-night 2009 NCAA championship party at Agganis Arena where dozens of guests drank from kegs in the locker room showers and took to the ice naked to shoot pucks.

“It was insane,” one former student who attended told the BU task force. “People were having sex in the penalty box.”

Campus police did not find out about the party, nor did BU administrators — until this year, when the task force started asking questions. During interviews with the task force, hockey coach Jack Parker also professed ignorance, at first saying he had never heard about the bash, but later acknowledging he knew of “a few guys drinking in the locker room.”

Yet at least two players and an athletics staffer told the task force that within days of the party, Parker reprimanded the entire team for its behavior.

 

[theprofromdover]

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Does he still work for BU? And what exactly did he do there in the first place...

He's still America's Guest.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Question. Would the players getting free drinks at T's Pub be an NCAA violation (regardless of whether they were underage)?

 

[WIrinkrat]

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Question. Would the players getting free drinks at T's Pub be an NCAA violation (regardless of whether they were underage)?

Assuming there is some relationship between T's and BU...donations, alum, etc then unless T's provides free drinks to all BU students regardless of whether they play sports or not, then yes it would be considered an extra benefit

 

[UMLFan]

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Boy today's globe article sure is interesting! No culture problem. Nope! Did Parker lie to the task force? Seems like a good possibility according to this article. Seems he has trouble getting his story straight.

Ouch...

A female student told the task force that a player had shoved his hands down her pants at a party and refused to stop even as she was punching him. She did not report the incident to authorities because, she said, “that’s just what [BU hockey players] do.”

 

[Rover]

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The school does need a clean break. Look, the players have zero respect for the school, the coaches, or their teammates from the looks of it. I don't care about some of the hijinks going on (skating naked doesn't seem like a good idea but whatever) but this is far worse. Blaming the coach for this behavior or that behavior misses the point. For the hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in salaries they pay the coaching staff, they either need to be able to get these kids focused, or they need to move on. This has been going on for too long.

 

[Case_04]

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Such a witch hunt. This stuff goes on at every school. You know what they called Tim Tebow at Florida? "That Guy Who Rapes Everybody". You think Neon Boudeau went to all his classes at Western? They gave him a Lexus! You remember that autistic kid who hit five 3 pointers in a row in that New York high school game? You don't even want to know.