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Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

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limey said:
That's a cop-out. After all, if your position is that Parker "should have" forced counseling on Trivino, but that you "can't answer" whether you'd do the same thing in similar circumstances, that is the definition of hypocritical.
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Call it a cop-out...couldn't care less. Sorry I don't have all the answers for your hypotheticals. :rolleyes:

I deal in reality.

But, since you love hypotheticals...if a BC player had three alcohol related incidents, refused seeking help at the request of York and York STILL allowed him to stay on...and then you see me support that decision. By all means, call me a hypocrite. Until then, please don't waste your breath.

brassbonanza said:
Sure, it wouldn't have happened at BU, and maybe that would've been better for BU, but it appears Parker was more interested in the well-being of his player, and he made his best effort to get help for his player within his own system and his program. Was it a bit of a risk for the university? Probably. But he placed the well-being of his player ahead of a university's public image, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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And all I'm saying is people can disagree with what was done and if that was truly in the best interest of Trivino. That's all. Again, neither side is right/wrong.
 
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chickod said:
Yes, and MY assertion is that it would not have made a difference. You make it sound as though Trivino didn't really think that Parker would do it. Read the article in today's Globe:

“I tried to get him to get some help,’’ said Parker. “I tried to get him to talk to some people regarding an alcohol problem. He wouldn’t do it, he didn’t think he had an alcohol problem.’’ <b>Parker said he told Trivino he had a problem but Trivino disagreed.“</b> [I said] One of us is going to be right,’’’ said Parker. “I’m betting you’re going to be sitting in front of me before the semester is over and I’m going to be telling you, ‘You’re out of here.’ ’’

I understand that you feel incredulous, so there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, except to say that I don't agree. A friend of mine went to the eye doctor and was told that his pressure was so high that if he didn't have immediate surgery he could go blind. My friend's response was, "So what? If I go blind, I go blind." Was the doctor supposed to go ahead and do the surgery without the patient's consent?

There's only so far one can go. If Parker had thrown him off the team BEFORE he actually committed a violation, I can only imagine the number of people who would have been screaming "He didn't DO anything!!??!?!??!?!?"
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dont throw off, just dont dress
 
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

chickod said:
Yes, and MY assertion is that it would not have made a difference.
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That's fine.

chickod said:
You make it sound as though Trivino didn't really think that Parker would do it.
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I'm not following you here...

chickod said:
I understand that you feel incredulous, so there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, except to say that I don't agree.
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Incredulous? I'm not in disbelief about anything here. I'm not trying to change your opinion either. I've already stated that people obviously disagree. I'm certainly not being dismissive of the other side. There's no point in rehashing the different scenarios out there.

chickod said:
There's only so far one can go. If Parker had thrown him off the team BEFORE he actually committed a violation, I can only imagine the number of people who would have been screaming "He didn't DO anything!!??!?!??!?!?"
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How does saying he should have been booted after the THIRD violation equate to before he actually committed a violation?
 
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So..... anyone making the trip out to Notre Dame? It's on Versus, so that sealed the deal for me not to go.
 
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J.D. said:
That's fine.



I'm not following you here...



Incredulous? I'm not in disbelief about anything here. I'm not trying to change your opinion either. I've already stated that people obviously disagree. I'm certainly not being dismissive of the other side. There's no point in rehashing the different scenarios out there.



How does saying he should have been booted after the THIRD violation equate to before he actually committed a violation?
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1) Agreements rule!

2) I think chickod makes a pretty solid statement there. it's even short so some people on this board can enjoy it. I think "Trivino didn't think Parker would do it" is pretty blatantly obvious. Next to "I think you respond to this" and "My butt is itchy." All pretty self-explanatory remarks.

3) I got nothing. I just wanted to make point 2.

4) Back to my original point - because college students drink.
 
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joen05 said:
So..... anyone making the trip out to Notre Dame? It's on Versus, so that sealed the deal for me not to go.
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You've gotta be kidding me.... ACTUAL hockey talk? Why would someone do such a thing right now?
 
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If Trivino didn't think he needed help, but Parker forced him to go to a program as a condition of playing for the team, what's to stop the guy from attending the meetings but continuing to drink? I doubt he was getting lit up in front of Parker in the first place. If he did get caught he could chalk it up to a temporary relapse (which often happens with alcoholics) but he's still committed to the program, blah blah blah. Again, either the adult wants to take responsibility for his own actions or he doesn't. Not much more the coach can do.
 
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Humanoid said:
2) I think chickod makes a pretty solid statement there. it's even short so some people on this board can enjoy it. I think "Trivino didn't think Parker would do it" is pretty blatantly obvious. Next to "I think you respond to this" and "My butt is itchy." All pretty self-explanatory remarks.
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Hey, more great insight. I know what the simple statement means. What I don't understand is the reasoning behind it. I'd like the poster, not you, to expound on what they meant. Let me get back to my pipe and New Yorker magazine...did I get that right?

Humanoid said:
You've gotta be kidding me.... ACTUAL hockey talk? Why would someone do such a thing right now?
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Ya! Because there's no other recent events worth talking about...:rolleyes:

Rover said:
If Trivino didn't think he needed help, but Parker forced him to go to a program as a condition of playing for the team, what's to stop the guy from attending the meetings but continuing to drink?
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Valid question. I am not being dismissive of this. But it also doesn't mean that it couldn't have helped him once he actually showed up for it.

Rover said:
I doubt he was getting lit up in front of Parker in the first place.
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I don't think anyone suggested he was pulling a Brendan Walsh...

Rover said:
Not much more the coach can do.
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We can agree to disagree and everyone can move on (maybe not Humanoid though).
 
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brassbonanza said:
He's obviously exaggerating for effect, but the fact is Corey's apparent alcohol problem is FAR from being an isolated scenario on a college campus, especially among of-age seniors.
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I think he was completely serious. That's why I think he's a moron. Not every college student has a problem and Trivino isn't the only one with a problem. I won't go any deeper than that as I don't have any statistics to go off.
 
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J.D. said:
I think he was completely serious. That's why I think he's a moron. Not every college student has a problem and Trivino isn't the only one with a problem. I won't go any deeper than that as I don't have any statistics to go off.
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No I really was exaggerating. But you are a moron.

And for the record, answer me this. Do you have an actual seat that was once occupied by Mortimer or Randolph Duke?

"Billy Ray!!! Looking good!"
"Feeling good Louis!"

Your new name is Louis Winthorpe III to me.

Thank you for providing me with entertainment throughout this very dull work Wednesday. You're too much.
 
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Any word by the way on how the lines will change with Trivino out?
 
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joen05 said:
So..... anyone making the trip out to Notre Dame? It's on Versus, so that sealed the deal for me not to go.
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I was out there a couple of weeks ago and had a helluva time (above and beyond the game scores). South Bend is actually a pretty cool place. There's a Marriott and a Fairfield Inn at Eddy St. Commons, directly across the street from Compton, which by itself is pretty impressive. Plenty of estblishments to patronize along Eddy St. Studebaker Museum is a must if you're old enough to know what a Studebaker was.
 
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