Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
is 3hock now fallible?
is 3hock now fallible?
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Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
“There was a drinking rule that was broken earlier during the year, and then I was late to a bike ride, and that was pretty much it really,” Saponari said.
Just taking this one quote...not sure who to believe here. On one hand, Parker has some history in shoeing guys out the door, but on the other hand, Saponari messed up at least twice (3rd time if you count his youtube thing). Was there more involved that Vinny isn't talking about? Who knows, but ultimately I don't disagree with him that Parker was looking to make an example of someone.
“There was a drinking rule that was broken earlier during the year, and then I was late to a bike ride, and that was pretty much it really,” Saponari said.
Just taking this one quote...not sure who to believe here. On one hand, Parker has some history in shoeing guys out the door, but on the other hand, Saponari messed up at least twice (3rd time if you count his youtube thing). Was there more involved that Vinny isn't talking about? Who knows, but ultimately I don't disagree with him that Parker was looking to make an example of someone.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Did he mean it was because of the bike ride thing?
is 3hock now fallible?
Did he mean it was because of the bike ride thing?
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Coming out of my lurker cave to discuss this somewhat disturbing quote from the article:
"I made a mistake or two since I’ve been here, but I didn’t feel like I was a bad thing for the team, or any kind of bad influence."
Obviously everyone makes mistakes, & has their own subjective opinion as to which ones are a big deal & which ones are excusable. But it should have been communicated to these guys which mistakes are which in the context of BU hockey, & what constitutes being a bad influence on the team.
Whether that responsibility falls on the veteran players or the coaching staff is up for debate. Based on the rest of the article, it seems like some attempts at coach-administered discipline were made throughout the season, but didn't have the desired effect. Hopefully next time JP will be a little tougher a little sooner, & the captains will also step up to hold their teammates accountable.
Coming out of my lurker cave to discuss this somewhat disturbing quote from the article:
"I made a mistake or two since I’ve been here, but I didn’t feel like I was a bad thing for the team, or any kind of bad influence."
Obviously everyone makes mistakes, & has their own subjective opinion as to which ones are a big deal & which ones are excusable. But it should have been communicated to these guys which mistakes are which in the context of BU hockey, & what constitutes being a bad influence on the team.
Whether that responsibility falls on the veteran players or the coaching staff is up for debate. Based on the rest of the article, it seems like some attempts at coach-administered discipline were made throughout the season, but didn't have the desired effect. Hopefully next time JP will be a little tougher a little sooner, & the captains will also step up to hold their teammates accountable.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
but the issue certainly was not "handled" or resolved, it directly led to his dismissal, no?
but the issue certainly was not "handled" or resolved, it directly led to his dismissal, no?
Beantownhitter
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
As budlite posted above, Parker's history of discipline has been somewhat inconsistent. It takes an awful lot for him to publicly discipline a more "talented" player. And others have pointed out that the drinking incident in question was not likely the only one of its' kind, either for these three or others on the team. But being accountable for your actions and accepting your responsibility has to be important on any team. So Vinny's response to this as [“There was a drinking rule that was broken earlier during the year, and then I was late to a bike ride, and that was pretty much it really,” Saponari said.] doesn't pass the smell test. I'd go with 3hock's suggestion.
As budlite posted above, Parker's history of discipline has been somewhat inconsistent. It takes an awful lot for him to publicly discipline a more "talented" player. And others have pointed out that the drinking incident in question was not likely the only one of its' kind, either for these three or others on the team. But being accountable for your actions and accepting your responsibility has to be important on any team. So Vinny's response to this as [“There was a drinking rule that was broken earlier during the year, and then I was late to a bike ride, and that was pretty much it really,” Saponari said.] doesn't pass the smell test. I'd go with 3hock's suggestion.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Wasn't his suggestion just that Saponari wasn't booted for the drinking incident? If that's true, was he booted for being late to a team bike ride (were coaches present or did someone rat him out?)
Or something else?
Wasn't his suggestion just that Saponari wasn't booted for the drinking incident? If that's true, was he booted for being late to a team bike ride (were coaches present or did someone rat him out?)
Or something else?
ericredaxe
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Without having any immediate knowldege of the situation... my guess is that those were probablly just the icing on the cake.
Without having any immediate knowldege of the situation... my guess is that those were probablly just the icing on the cake.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
IIRC, Brendan Walsh's final straw involved bringing refreshments to his punishment run (beer and chinese food?). Anyone recall the initial transgression?
IIRC, Brendan Walsh's final straw involved bringing refreshments to his punishment run (beer and chinese food?). Anyone recall the initial transgression?
buoldtimer
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
JP anticipated that Walshie would be an unspeakably bad commentator during NESN broadcasts and punished him in advance for it.
JP anticipated that Walshie would be an unspeakably bad commentator during NESN broadcasts and punished him in advance for it.
mookie1995
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
I don't get where people are implying that "good players" get away with more.... It is sad to admit, but from where I'm looking Vincent is (was) arguably the best returning player.
I don't get where people are implying that "good players" get away with more.... It is sad to admit, but from where I'm looking Vincent is (was) arguably the best returning player.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
I do applaud JP for this move. I really didn't think he had the courage.
I am certainly impressed. Players that are not for the team first, do nothing but hurt the team. The championship team was the epitome of a TEAM. Last season, there were several players with one foot out the door and others that were not on-board with the team concept. 27 was certainly one of them. Go BU!
I do applaud JP for this move. I really didn't think he had the courage.
I am certainly impressed. Players that are not for the team first, do nothing but hurt the team. The championship team was the epitome of a TEAM. Last season, there were several players with one foot out the door and others that were not on-board with the team concept. 27 was certainly one of them. Go BU!
jcarter7669
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the bike ride was punishment for an earlier drinking infraction. So he showed up late to his own punishment. The incident during the playoff's may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, three strikes and your out....
I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the bike ride was punishment for an earlier drinking infraction. So he showed up late to his own punishment. The incident during the playoff's may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, three strikes and your out....
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I agree with you. I'm also going to watch out for lightning and stray flying pigs on my way home from work.
I agree with you. I'm also going to watch out for lightning and stray flying pigs on my way home from work.
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
About this bike ride...
1. Was there a sufficient number of transgressors of team rules that the entire team was required to participate in the bike ride?
2. Were there just a few transgressors and JP policy is to punish the entire team for the sins of the few?
3. Was the bike ride only required of the transgressors?
4. Is one of the assistants required to drive a car alongside the bike riders in the manner of the pace boats for crew teams rowing on the Charles?
About this bike ride...
1. Was there a sufficient number of transgressors of team rules that the entire team was required to participate in the bike ride?
2. Were there just a few transgressors and JP policy is to punish the entire team for the sins of the few?
3. Was the bike ride only required of the transgressors?
4. Is one of the assistants required to drive a car alongside the bike riders in the manner of the pace boats for crew teams rowing on the Charles?
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
I agree, YOU are the one worth making jokes over.
I agree, YOU are the one worth making jokes over.
Puck Swami
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Drinking rules and bike rides are likely just surface incidents, folks. Those kinds of things can be fixed with game suspensions if a coach wants to keep the player around. Otherwise, they serve as great cover for booting players who don't fit Parker's team vision.
Parker has been around long enough to know what kind of players he wants to have on his teams, and he likely doesn't want bad apples to spoil the good apples.
Drinking rules and bike rides are likely just surface incidents, folks. Those kinds of things can be fixed with game suspensions if a coach wants to keep the player around. Otherwise, they serve as great cover for booting players who don't fit Parker's team vision.
Parker has been around long enough to know what kind of players he wants to have on his teams, and he likely doesn't want bad apples to spoil the good apples.
jcarter7669
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
It sounded like the entire team was biking because of a few. It was probably to get the captains and team to take charge of their team. Kind of link in the military when every one does push ups because of one yahoo
It sounded like the entire team was biking because of a few. It was probably to get the captains and team to take charge of their team. Kind of link in the military when every one does push ups because of one yahoo
Beantownhitter
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
If you're responding to one of my posts Mookie perhaps I wasn't very clear. I used the phrase "talented" player. It's hard to argue that Vinny and Corey aren't two of the most "talented" players. So I was suggesting that one or two college boy mistakes in the course of a season wouldn't have resulted in the discipline that was handed down. “Over a period of time, there have been cumulative instances in which Victor and Vinny Saponari have displayed conduct unbecoming of a Boston University hockey player,” Terriers coach Jack Parker said in a news release. The accent in that quote should be on cumulative. Somewhere in there was the straw that broke the camel's back. And while it's one thing to dismiss Victor from the team, I gotta believe that the decision on Vinny was much, much tougher for Parker to make. (maybe that's why the first reports suggested a suspension for Vinny???) So if Parker was sending a message to his team I figure he wanted Corey to hear it loud and clear.
If you're responding to one of my posts Mookie perhaps I wasn't very clear. I used the phrase "talented" player. It's hard to argue that Vinny and Corey aren't two of the most "talented" players. So I was suggesting that one or two college boy mistakes in the course of a season wouldn't have resulted in the discipline that was handed down. “Over a period of time, there have been cumulative instances in which Victor and Vinny Saponari have displayed conduct unbecoming of a Boston University hockey player,” Terriers coach Jack Parker said in a news release. The accent in that quote should be on cumulative. Somewhere in there was the straw that broke the camel's back. And while it's one thing to dismiss Victor from the team, I gotta believe that the decision on Vinny was much, much tougher for Parker to make. (maybe that's why the first reports suggested a suspension for Vinny???) So if Parker was sending a message to his team I figure he wanted Corey to hear it loud and clear.
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