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Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
I guess about 24 hours of hockey related discussion is much as we can have before things veer off the rails again.
I guess about 24 hours of hockey related discussion is much as we can have before things veer off the rails again.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
This whole thing would have been fantastic if hokydad was the one on the bike...
OK, there we have it. A vote! Anyone else care to answer?
Is where they were going important?There's no indication they were suspected of any wrong doing.
He was taking a left hand turn, he might not have even had the right-of-way.
This whole thing would have been fantastic if hokydad was the one on the bike...
OK, there we have it. A vote! Anyone else care to answer?
BigRedTerrier
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
I think Parker is fine for now, but if this teams struggles to make the NCAAs the next 2 years when this group has had a chance to age and mature a bit, then I'd like to see Quinn get a shot.
I think Parker is fine for now, but if this teams struggles to make the NCAAs the next 2 years when this group has had a chance to age and mature a bit, then I'd like to see Quinn get a shot.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
Not particularly. It's a bit of the devil you know versus the devil you don't scenario. Parker has lost something off of his fastball, sure, but he's still close enough to the elite that we remain in striking distance of the title, year in and year out. With any new coach, there's a real fear that there will be a regression, rather than a progression.
I also feel that the drop in national success is due more to there being more "elite" programs and the tournament bids and victories are getting spread out over a larger group of teams. BU isn't the only program looking back over the last several years and seeing less tournament success than they "feel" like they should have.
As for comparisions to BC, well, we can't do anything about York. He's probably the best in the business... and we're not going to replace Parker with someone better than him. We just have to ride out his tenure. Fortunately, any replacement, even an excellent one, will still mean that BC regresses to the rest of the "elite" pack.
Not particularly. It's a bit of the devil you know versus the devil you don't scenario. Parker has lost something off of his fastball, sure, but he's still close enough to the elite that we remain in striking distance of the title, year in and year out. With any new coach, there's a real fear that there will be a regression, rather than a progression.
I also feel that the drop in national success is due more to there being more "elite" programs and the tournament bids and victories are getting spread out over a larger group of teams. BU isn't the only program looking back over the last several years and seeing less tournament success than they "feel" like they should have.
As for comparisions to BC, well, we can't do anything about York. He's probably the best in the business... and we're not going to replace Parker with someone better than him. We just have to ride out his tenure. Fortunately, any replacement, even an excellent one, will still mean that BC regresses to the rest of the "elite" pack.
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Pretty much agree with everything else you said, but I don't see how the one title game appearance/one FF in 14 years means BU has remained within striking distance of the title year in and year out...
Pretty much agree with everything else you said, but I don't see how the one title game appearance/one FF in 14 years means BU has remained within striking distance of the title year in and year out...
Jacques Joubert
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
I agree with this and am more than lightly annoyed by this and last year's season as much as any BU fan. On the face of it, saying "Jack must go" just seems crazy. How can a man with so much success and a sure fire hall of famer be let go? He is BU Hockey. But...Jerry def. hurts the BU program. I was just over at hockeydb.com and looking at both rosters. BC has most of their roster from New England. BU does not. Jerry seems to be winning the recruiting war and we've all speculated why these past couple of days. I think what Jerry is best at is the "Retention war". Most of his kids come back and play at least three years. Seems like most of BU stars don't. We could all tell we were in for good things in the summer of 08 when Wilson, Gilroy, Shattnekirk and Bonino all said they'd be back, couldn't we? I guess that's the way BC fans feel most of the time.
One of our best local recruits, Warsofsky, had both his parents go to BU. When he signed he said things like, "I've been going to the games since I was a kid and I've always wanted to be a Terrier." If they hadn't been BU alums he just might be playing up the street.
Not to say jack doesn't get talent...
If Shattenkirk, Wilson, Bonino, and C Cohen (and Vinny S. for that matter) were on this roster, BU would be great this year.
If Wilson and Strait were on last year's roster BU would have likely made the NCAAs.
Next year? With the rumors that Coyle and Warsofsky are leaving what is Jack to do? I don't think they should go based on their play, but unfortunately I don't get a say.
What's worse, BU has an honest chance to do something this season, but if Coyle and Warsofsky have made their minds up, will they even try? Who works hard when they're a lame duck? I know when I've given my two weeks notice I take long lunches and just hang around. This is another reason that the NHL shouldn't be able to draft college kids.
Does it come down to Jack's style? Is he too strict? I think so or he at least appears that way. He's got to make if fun for the kids and they've got to want to play for him. If he can't do that, I think BU will continue to fade away unless leaders like Gilroy emerge and convince everyone to come back.
Talk like this makes me miss the 90's. It just would have been too easy if BU built Agganis and that righted the ship.
I agree with this and am more than lightly annoyed by this and last year's season as much as any BU fan. On the face of it, saying "Jack must go" just seems crazy. How can a man with so much success and a sure fire hall of famer be let go? He is BU Hockey. But...Jerry def. hurts the BU program. I was just over at hockeydb.com and looking at both rosters. BC has most of their roster from New England. BU does not. Jerry seems to be winning the recruiting war and we've all speculated why these past couple of days. I think what Jerry is best at is the "Retention war". Most of his kids come back and play at least three years. Seems like most of BU stars don't. We could all tell we were in for good things in the summer of 08 when Wilson, Gilroy, Shattnekirk and Bonino all said they'd be back, couldn't we? I guess that's the way BC fans feel most of the time.
One of our best local recruits, Warsofsky, had both his parents go to BU. When he signed he said things like, "I've been going to the games since I was a kid and I've always wanted to be a Terrier." If they hadn't been BU alums he just might be playing up the street.
Not to say jack doesn't get talent...
If Shattenkirk, Wilson, Bonino, and C Cohen (and Vinny S. for that matter) were on this roster, BU would be great this year.
If Wilson and Strait were on last year's roster BU would have likely made the NCAAs.
Next year? With the rumors that Coyle and Warsofsky are leaving what is Jack to do? I don't think they should go based on their play, but unfortunately I don't get a say.
What's worse, BU has an honest chance to do something this season, but if Coyle and Warsofsky have made their minds up, will they even try? Who works hard when they're a lame duck? I know when I've given my two weeks notice I take long lunches and just hang around. This is another reason that the NHL shouldn't be able to draft college kids.
Does it come down to Jack's style? Is he too strict? I think so or he at least appears that way. He's got to make if fun for the kids and they've got to want to play for him. If he can't do that, I think BU will continue to fade away unless leaders like Gilroy emerge and convince everyone to come back.
Talk like this makes me miss the 90's. It just would have been too easy if BU built Agganis and that righted the ship.
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This pretty much sums up my view. Parker is still one of the best in the business and, unless either (a) the team goes in a downwards spiral for the next 2-3 years; and/or (b) we have candidate who is clearly an upgrade (highly unlikely), then we should be sticking with Parker without question.
Comparing BU to what BC has done in the past 10 years is foolish, because no other program in the country has achieved that level of success recently. However, compared to every other program top program, BU is pretty close. Would I like them to be better? Absolutely. But BU is hardly the sinking ship that some on here are suggesting.
This pretty much sums up my view. Parker is still one of the best in the business and, unless either (a) the team goes in a downwards spiral for the next 2-3 years; and/or (b) we have candidate who is clearly an upgrade (highly unlikely), then we should be sticking with Parker without question.
Comparing BU to what BC has done in the past 10 years is foolish, because no other program in the country has achieved that level of success recently. However, compared to every other program top program, BU is pretty close. Would I like them to be better? Absolutely. But BU is hardly the sinking ship that some on here are suggesting.
BigRedTerrier
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This also goes back to a question I posed a while back...What specifically would it take for many of you to feel a change had to be made?
It sounds like results in the next 2-3 years are quite important, which in some ways surprises me. If many of the long time fans had said "Parker has this job for as long as he wants it...he's earned it," I'd totally understand. But it sounds like he may not have the carte blanche that I thought he might get. I wonder if the university feels the same way.
P.S. I appreciate people being able to discuss this without a war of words starting. It's really been interesting to hear what people have to say without having to sort through insults. Quite an oddity for a USCHO forum
This also goes back to a question I posed a while back...What specifically would it take for many of you to feel a change had to be made?
It sounds like results in the next 2-3 years are quite important, which in some ways surprises me. If many of the long time fans had said "Parker has this job for as long as he wants it...he's earned it," I'd totally understand. But it sounds like he may not have the carte blanche that I thought he might get. I wonder if the university feels the same way.
P.S. I appreciate people being able to discuss this without a war of words starting. It's really been interesting to hear what people have to say without having to sort through insults. Quite an oddity for a USCHO forum
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I think that you Eagle fans have been a little spoiled by the past few years. Most other fanbases have accepted that the tournament has become a series of coin tosses. If you consistently make the tournament with a reasonable chance of winning the games in front of you, then you're in "striking distance". To be fair, BU probably should have turned one or two more of their regional final appearances in the oughts into Frozen Four appearances, but there not off the pace much from what you can reasonably expect from a top tier program.
I think that you Eagle fans have been a little spoiled by the past few years. Most other fanbases have accepted that the tournament has become a series of coin tosses. If you consistently make the tournament with a reasonable chance of winning the games in front of you, then you're in "striking distance". To be fair, BU probably should have turned one or two more of their regional final appearances in the oughts into Frozen Four appearances, but there not off the pace much from what you can reasonably expect from a top tier program.
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Jacques, I don't think the evidence supports this. Since York arrived, I can recall three players leaving prior to their junior year:
Kobasew (one year)
Kolanos and Petrecki (two years)
In that same ball park, I recall DiPietro, Wilson and Maiser? Am I missing others?
How would this work?
Jacques, I don't think the evidence supports this. Since York arrived, I can recall three players leaving prior to their junior year:
Kobasew (one year)
Kolanos and Petrecki (two years)
In that same ball park, I recall DiPietro, Wilson and Maiser? Am I missing others?
How would this work?
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Brilliant, thank you! Comparison to a UNH mentality perfect. Can you imagine a BC program ever being satisfied again about a 20 win season, just making it to the first round of the NCAA's and making it to the HE semi's. And I still dont get the "elite" program comments. This is 14 years folks, what years in that period was this team on the verge of a FF or feeling like a major contender for the NC. 2009, 2006, and maybe 2000.
Brilliant, thank you! Comparison to a UNH mentality perfect. Can you imagine a BC program ever being satisfied again about a 20 win season, just making it to the first round of the NCAA's and making it to the HE semi's. And I still dont get the "elite" program comments. This is 14 years folks, what years in that period was this team on the verge of a FF or feeling like a major contender for the NC. 2009, 2006, and maybe 2000.
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No doubt I've been spoiled, but there's a difference between what BU has routinely done and say a North Dakota under Hakstol. Yes, BU has the title and UND doesn't...but UND has been far closer on a year to year basis than BU. To me, being within striking distance is the FF, but I realize that can be viewed as arbitrary.
Looking back on BU's regional final losses, I'll certainly grant you that they were very close in '98, '00 and '02.
No doubt I've been spoiled, but there's a difference between what BU has routinely done and say a North Dakota under Hakstol. Yes, BU has the title and UND doesn't...but UND has been far closer on a year to year basis than BU. To me, being within striking distance is the FF, but I realize that can be viewed as arbitrary.
Looking back on BU's regional final losses, I'll certainly grant you that they were very close in '98, '00 and '02.
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Ok so BU is on a 3 out of 4 year down streak, add the 2 or 3 more years of disappointment that you are suggesting would be meaningful. Thats potentially 6 out of 7 years down. I am told too old to wait that out!
Ok so BU is on a 3 out of 4 year down streak, add the 2 or 3 more years of disappointment that you are suggesting would be meaningful. Thats potentially 6 out of 7 years down. I am told too old to wait that out!
Jacques Joubert
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
Chris Bourque is one that come to mind.
Chris Bourque is one that come to mind.
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He is kind of a different case, he flunked out basically.
Ryan Whitney.
He is kind of a different case, he flunked out basically.
Ryan Whitney.
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Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
Since Jerry has been here
Colin left after two years.
Poti left after two.
Joe dipenta (laughing, yah. But true) after two.
Dan lacouture after almost one year
- all played in the NHL.
Dan cavanaugh after three.
Since Jerry has been here
Colin left after two years.
Poti left after two.
Joe dipenta (laughing, yah. But true) after two.
Dan lacouture after almost one year
- all played in the NHL.
Dan cavanaugh after three.
Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
And that is pretty much what BU has done over the past decade.
The biggest issue that most people have appears to be BU's lack of FF appearances which is a pretty arbitrary place to put the emphasis. They were very close to at least 2-3 more FF appearances in the past 10 years. Are we really going to ring the program's death knell because of a bad bounce or two?
I think most of us are satisfied with 25+ win seasons every other year each time with a good shot at a National Title. During the other 50%, 20+ win seasons should be expected, with a NCAA appearance with a 1 true "down" year being acceptable every 4-5 years.
And that is pretty much what BU has done over the past decade.
The biggest issue that most people have appears to be BU's lack of FF appearances which is a pretty arbitrary place to put the emphasis. They were very close to at least 2-3 more FF appearances in the past 10 years. Are we really going to ring the program's death knell because of a bad bounce or two?
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Fair enough although I'd say only Poti was a huge loss. Thought Ryan Whitney played three years?
Poti left after two.
Joe dipenta (laughing, yah. But true) after two.
Dan lacouture after almost one year
Fair enough although I'd say only Poti was a huge loss. Thought Ryan Whitney played three years?
Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?
Assuming we lose a few games down the stretch this season and don't make the tournament -
My problem is not that we will miss the NCAA tournament 3 out of the last 4 years (though that is a major concern). What upsets me the most is that BU was in position to make the NCAA tournament each of those 3 seasons. All they had to do was beat teams worse than them down the stretch. Their backs were against the wall; all they had to do was come out, play hard and beat the PCs, UVMs, UMass's, and Lowell's and they couldn't get it done.
Assuming we lose a few games down the stretch this season and don't make the tournament -
My problem is not that we will miss the NCAA tournament 3 out of the last 4 years (though that is a major concern). What upsets me the most is that BU was in position to make the NCAA tournament each of those 3 seasons. All they had to do was beat teams worse than them down the stretch. Their backs were against the wall; all they had to do was come out, play hard and beat the PCs, UVMs, UMass's, and Lowell's and they couldn't get it done.
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