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Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

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limey said:
Well as I stated before, the teams are nowhere near as poor as people would have you believe. Many of them were a game away from the FF. One won a National Championship. They made the NCAAs far more often than they missed them.

However, compared to the entire field, BU is easily top-10 and arguably on the upswing.
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Definitely top 10, but from everything I've read from BU fans, nobody is really happy with the end results over the past 10+ years. That's pretty much what I'm getting at.
 
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J.D. said:
Definitely top 10, but from everything I've read from BU fans, nobody is really happy with the end results over the past 10+ years. That's pretty much what I'm getting at.
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I don't about other BU fans but I enjoyed 2009 throroughly
 
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In regards to the recruiting classes, one dissapointment I have is the class of 2005. They were touted as the "Fab 5." Four of them coming from Ann Arbor.
David Klema was an ok role player until he was dismissed, prior to his senior year.

Justin Maiser was decent, but left unexpectedly. Does anyone know the story behind that? Did he actually think he was going to play in the NHL the next year?

Ryan Whitney had a real good freshman year. Soph year he really regressed not having Dyment as his D-partner. And junior year the team sucked.

Brian McConnell got progressively worse every year. He was slow as anything by the time he was a senior. I thought I was going to grow a beard by the time he got from one end of the ice to the other.

Bryan Miller was the only one out of the 5 to make a Hockey East all star team. I believe he was first team as a senior. (I'm not counting the All Rookie team.)

I, for one, expected a hell of a lot more out of this group.
 
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As far as early departures go, aren't Clendening and Nieto risks? I don't have any inside info, but I know Nieto's choice came down to BU or the OHL. That doesn't seem like a kid who is a straight A student.

And with Clendening, doesn't his father always have a hand in anything and everything the kid does? Again, no inside info, just what I hear. Maybe the father will try and negotiate with the NHL team that drafts him.
 
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J.D. said:
One big difference is the story always seems to get out when it involves BU. At BC, you don't hear much--even if something did happen. Chalk that up to BU being a journalism school perhaps and everything that comes with that.
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Well you don't know about the stories you don't hear about, the stories don't always get out. The two largest stories have come to light (well, sort of, in Glass's case), but plenty of punishments remain hidden. But, does a higher percentage get out than at BC? I'd say so.
 
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Forgot about Maiser...one of the rare two year guys.
 
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J.D. said:
One big difference is the story always seems to get out when it involves BU. At BC, you don't hear much--even if something did happen. Chalk that up to BU being a journalism school perhaps and everything that comes with that.
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i have to say there is some definite truth to this. a good example is the atkinson brothers - didn't they get arrested for beating up some kid on a bike that cut in front of their fathers car or something dumb like that? (not trying to start crap, just saying) I never heard anything about that out of BC, although I also admittedly don't know if they were ever even convicted of anything.
 
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limey said:
Well as I stated before, the teams are nowhere near as poor as people would have you believe. Many of them were a game away from the FF. One won a National Championship. They made the NCAAs far more often than they missed them.

If your standard is BC over the last 10 years, then no other program measures up. However, compared to the entire field, BU is easily top-10 and arguably on the upswing.
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Yes everything is great: coaching, recruiting, development but as Johnny D says "then whats the reason for the repeated failures". This team is about to be out of the top 16 for the 3rd year out of four. You are what your record says you are a mediocre program.
 
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Redd10 said:
i have to say there is some definite truth to this. a good example is the atkinson brothers - didn't they get arrested for beating up some kid on a bike that cut in front of their fathers car or something dumb like that? (not trying to start crap, just saying) I never heard anything about that out of BC, although I also admittedly don't know if they were ever even convicted of anything.
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Haha I don't know if they beat the kid up, but something definitely went down on the mean streets of Greenwich!!! I believe this was prior to Cam's arrival.
 
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J.D. said:
Definitely top 10, but from everything I've read from BU fans, nobody is really happy with the end results over the past 10+ years. That's pretty much what I'm getting at.
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i already explained this... it's 95/5 because it's bc we are made to compare ourselves to right now.

Redd10 said:
i have to say there is some definite truth to this. a good example is the atkinson brothers - didn't they get arrested for beating up some kid on a bike that cut in front of their fathers car or something dumb like that? (not trying to start crap, just saying) I never heard anything about that out of BC, although I also admittedly don't know if they were ever even convicted of anything.
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strange that there isn't a campus/student newspaper that covers the team. especially from a school that has alums named bob ryan and mike lupica.

Boston22 said:
In regards to the recruiting classes, one dissapointment I have is the class of 2005. They were touted as the "Fab 5." Four of them coming from Ann Arbor. ......
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whitney was hurt. then got hurt. and finally, hurt.
maiser left to go develop playing MJ in western ca. he was a MN kid who became friends with mcconnell and came east to play with him and the others.
 
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Responses triggered by my post questioning if Parker is the right guy for BU after the Glass incident: 1 (thanks, Bomber;)).

Responses triggered by my post questioning if Parker is the right guy for BU after the Beanpot loss: 200+ in 48 hours

It's all in the timing :D
 
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J.D. said:
Haha I don't know if they beat the kid up, but something definitely went down on the mean streets of Greenwich!!! I believe this was prior to Cam's arrival.
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one of the best, if not THE best, storyline in WWE history!!!!! :D mean street posse!!
 
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Boston22 said:
As far as early departures go, aren't Clendening and Nieto risks? I don't have any inside info, but I know Nieto's choice came down to BU or the OHL. That doesn't seem like a kid who is a straight A student.
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I don't think they will leave anytime soon but you never know. My guess would be both leave after junior year. They are both looking like 2-3 round draft picks last draft preview I read. I am sure they are not exactly in the most challenging classes though. The athletes at most D-1 schools find classes that allow them to do very little work if they have a pro career ahead of them. I believe Matt Leinart took salsa dancing as his only class when he won a national title. I don't think academics should be an issue.
 
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But in all seriousness, some of the best discussion I've seen on this board in a while, including from most of the BC gang (I see Steve stopped by to remind us about the Gerbe/Lawrence comparisons:D).

One can argue about player development, recruiting ability, tough schedules, etc. but at the end of the day, we're looking at 14 years with one FF. To paraphrase Gentry, the overall record may cut it for most of the 58 teams, but at BU, it is not good enough.

I don't think anyone would disagree that Parker has had one of the most remarkably successful college coaching careers ever. However, that doesn't mean that he is one of the best coaches today. The game has changed dramatically during his tenure, and so has he. Plus, at some point, the age difference has to have an effect. His methods for motivating the team just don't seem to work anymore, and lord knows he has tried (my favorite was using the visitors locker room for game 3 of the HE quarters against Vermont). 15-20 years ago, when the team was going to the FF regularly, there would be one or two games a year, where the team seemed to give a poor effort. In the past 5years, it seems to average about 12 times a year. His comments after the loss Monday night almost hint at him finally realizing this.
 
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defkit said:
One can argue about player development, recruiting ability, tough schedules, etc. but at the end of the day, we're looking at 14 years with one FF. To paraphrase Gentry, the overall record may cut it for most of the 58 teams, but at BU, it is not good enough.
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Yes, but in those seasons, there have been THREE sub-500 seasons, EIGHT 20+ win seasons, and SIX 25+ win seasons. Those kind of numbers gets you in the tournament. And, like I said, due to the nature of a one-and-done tournament, you have near-misses when you should have wins (LSSU, anyone?). But I think that most of it is that over hte past 14 years, BC has 3 national championships while BU has one. And with the exception of 2010, most of the years when BC has been in the NCAA, BU has as well. In 2005, both teams lost in the same regional to the same team. 2007? Both teams lost to the national champion (when you put it that way, it's easier to swallow).

And Mookie, I'm going to venture a guess that, were BC not coming off a national championship, this conversation would be a lot more muted.
 
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I think this conversation would also be muted at least a bit if Parker and the team can rebound and show a strong finish for this season. Right now from his comments it almost has a feel of "we'll get'em next year." Even if they don't make the tournament, it would say a lot for his motivational ability and for the team's heart if they were to win out and at least make a little noise in the HE playoffs.
 
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Right now, the goal should be "make the tourney." All the remaining games are winnable; most SHOULD be won. If BU gets to the QF and sweeps, they may get an at large, especially if they sweep a TUC team (Maine, I'm looking at you). From there, the NCAA is a bit of a crapshoot. I think the 2009 season can tell you that (Bemidji). But with a young team, a tournament berth -- and even a win -- will give them confidence and the moxie needed for next year. I'll feel confident; we'll have better defensemen, a senior goaltender who we hope won't be as up-and-down as the past two years, and enough offense to succeed.

A second question to the anti-Parkerites: would you consider the UNH teams failures? They've had a success rate similar to BU (2009 not withstanding), and both programs are almost always national contenders, top Hockey East programs, and constant threats to do damage in the tournament.
 
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