Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

[J.D.]

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And, like I said, due to the nature of a one-and-done tournament, you have near-misses when you should have wins (LSSU, anyone?).

Ha, I assume you mean NMU? I could be wrong, but I can't remember a more lopsided FF game since that BU/LSSU national title game.

And Mookie, I'm going to venture a guess that, were BC not coming off a national championship, this conversation would be a lot more muted.

Well, ya, but the flip side of this what if game is what if 2009 didn't happen.

A second question to the anti-Parkerites: would you consider the UNH teams failures? They've had a success rate similar to BU (2009 not withstanding), and both programs are almost always national contenders, top Hockey East programs, and constant threats to do damage in the tournament.

I think the difference is UNH has no history to fall back on. BU obviously does and that plays a role in higher expectations. Do you really want your historic program compared to UNH? UNH now hasn't been to a FF since 2003 (I believe the year they last won HE as well). So, I'm not sure if they're almost always a national contender/constant threat to do damage in the tournament. Same for BU. I don't think that's accurate.

 

[mookie1995]

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....And Mookie, I'm going to venture a guess that, were BC not coming off a national championship, this conversation would be a lot more muted.

muted or not... i've been calling him JackPa for years - so it should be obvious what my thoughts are on the subject.

*and O.G.... they won in 09! you can't play what-if with that!!!

 

[pirate]

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And BC kids go to a great school in an awesome location but BU kids go to a diploma mill in the middle of the ghetto. No point in staying for four years when you could get shot to death in your dorm room and not have much to show for it when you "graduate."

Have you graduated yet?

p.s. - I mean college.

 

[J.D.]

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they won in 09! you can't play what-if with that!!!

Ha, I was just pointing out how the what if game can go both ways.

 

[ericredaxe]

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http://greenwichroundup.blogspot.com/2008/08/082508-belated-raw-greenwich-news-feed.html

who's good? i'm good

They sound like great guys.... and what a role model the father must be.

 

[Jacques Joubert]

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Well you don't know about the stories you don't hear about, the stories don't always get out. The two largest stories have come to light (well, sort of, in Glass's case), but plenty of punishments remain hidden. But, does a higher percentage get out than at BC? I'd say so.

Thanks JD and Agganis. I agree we do "hear" about more issues with the BU program. Whether they are greater in number or just more highly publicized doesn't really matter. Perception is reality. So now we have the Daily Free Press and Federal League's blog to blame for the apparent rut BU is in!

Kidding aside I love FL's blog and follow the away games there b/c the updates are in real time and you get good insight.

It was pretty ****ing of JP though that he didn't comment on the Glass story though.

I don't know...I think we'll all change our tune if the team comes out, plays like they can, and takes 5/6 games the rest of the way.

If they look like they've mailed it in then the sharks will continue to circle.

 

[Terrier520]

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Ha, I assume you mean NMU? I could be wrong, but I can't remember a more lopsided FF game since that BU/LSSU national title game.

Yes. Thank you for catching that. My mistake.

Well, ya, but the flip side of this what if game is what if 2009 didn't happen.

Okay, let's flip the Worcester game in 06, too. It was a bad game that could have gone either way until the puck dropped. If that all happened, BU would still have the same number of NCs, and this time gained an extra FF appearance in the decade. Now we're talking about 2 FF appearances, and this conversation is a bit more muted, no?



I think the difference is UNH has no history to fall back on. BU obviously does and that plays a role in higher expectations. Do you really want your historic program compared to UNH? UNH now hasn't been to a FF since 2003 (I believe the year they last won HE as well). So, I'm not sure if they're almost always a national contender/constant threat to do damage in the tournament. Same for BU. I don't think that's accurate.[/QUOTE]

 

[Agganis]

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More hypotheticals, what if Crosby and Ovechkin both played college hockey and went to BU, then this conversation would be a bit more muted.

What happened, happened; what didn't, didn't. Live accordingly.

 

[limey]

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Yes everything is great: coaching, recruiting, development but as Johnny D says "then whats the reason for the repeated failures". This team is about to be out of the top 16 for the 3rd year out of four. You are what your record says you are a mediocre program.

You know, it is quite a big step from "everything is great" to "Parker can't develop players and should be fired/retire". I know it is popular to talk in hyperbole on message boards to (attempt) to get your point across, but it is really unhelpful to the underlying discussion.

 

[Jacques Joubert]

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More hypotheticals, what if Crosby and Ovechkin both played college hockey and went to BU, then this conversation would be a bit more muted.

What happened, happened; what didn't, didn't. Live accordingly.

Agree 100% but it's also important to learn from what happened (both good and bad) and adjust your actions accordingly to maximize future success.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing in the same manner and expecting a different outcome."

 

[pirate]

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They sound like great guys.... and what a role model the father must be.

Yeah, that's not some spur of the moment road rage mistake, calling your two college age sons to come beat up a teenager on a bicycle because he cussed at you is a scary thought process. What a huge risk to take with your sons' futures.

 

[Redd10]

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Yeah, that's not some spur of the moment road rage mistake, calling your two college age sons to come beat up a teenager on a bicycle because he cussed at you is a scary thought process. What a huge risk to take with your sons' futures.

exactly - it'd be a huge risk if your kids were just normal college age kids, but considering they were both clearly talented hockey players make it all the more stupid

 

[Hokydad]

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exactly - it'd be a huge risk if your kids were just normal college age kids, but considering they were both clearly talented hockey players make it all the more stupid

more to it than that. this wasnt a little kid riding his bike to the park to play on the swings.

obvious mistake but not as portrayed or more would have come out of it vs, dont do it again

 

[J.D.]

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You know, it is quite a big step from "everything is great" to "Parker can't develop players and should be fired/retire". I know it is popular to talk in hyperbole on message boards to (attempt) to get your point across, but it is really unhelpful to the underlying discussion.

Do you think Parker should retire? Do you want him to?

Yeah, that's not some spur of the moment road rage mistake, calling your two college age sons to come beat up a teenager on a bicycle because he cussed at you is a scary thought process. What a huge risk to take with your sons' futures.

and what a role model the father must be.

Ya, the 50 year old father calling his kids is certainly the most disturbing part of that whole thing.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Yes, but in those seasons, there have been THREE sub-500 seasons, EIGHT 20+ win seasons, and SIX 25+ win seasons. Those kind of numbers gets you in the tournament. And, like I said, due to the nature of a one-and-done tournament...

I know I'm a little late to the party but I can't believe some of these comments like "we were 1 win away from the FF!" and stuff about how we had all these 25 win seasons and the nature of a one-and-done format in the tourney. I mean, come on guys, this is freaking BU we're talking about. RESULTS! These are UNH-like results here except for that 09 title BU won. But their regular seasons have been better. Both teams went to a FF in the past decade and won 2 HE tournaments.

This is mediocrity here without 2009 and not far above it with 2009... mediocrity not compared to the other 58 teams but compared to what powerhouse programs should be doing. Titles are hard to come by but the FFs need to be increased. From there assume you win 1 out of 3 trips similar to what BC has and you're producing titles and keeping the program rolling.

 

[pirate]

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more to it than that. this wasnt a little kid riding his bike to the park to play on the swings.

obvious mistake but not as portrayed or more would have come out of it vs, dont do it again

sorry omnicient one, no matter what the kid on the bike did, there would never be a scenario where it made sense to risk both of your sons going to jail to solve a dispute with said renegade crime wave cyclist...that you know there was more to the story is good to hear, by all means, enlighten us on how this was actually a good decision by the dad.

enough of these parking lot brawls end up with a kid dead or permanently injured via a lucky punch or head hitting the pavement etc....kids put themselves in those positions via their own stupidity, a 50 year old dad putting his kids into that situation, where they could have been on either end of the potential injury/jail outcomes is stupid cubed. Call the cops if it was so egregious, if your two kids can find this two-wheeled gangsta then the local cop should be able to as well

 

[Hokydad]

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sorry omnicient one, no matter what the kid on the bike did, there would never be a scenario where it made sense to risk both of your sons going to jail to solve a dispute with said renegade crime wave cyclist...that you know there was more to the story is good to hear, by all means, enlighten us on how this was actually a good decision by the dad.

enough of these parking lot brawls end up with a kid dead or permanently injured via a lucky punch or head hitting the pavement etc....kids put themselves in those positions via their own stupidity, a 50 year old dad putting his kids into that situation, where they could have been on either end of the potential injury/jail outcomes is stupid cubed. Call the cops if it was so egregious, if your two kids can find this two-wheeled gangsta then the local cop should be able to as well

never said it was.

 

[Slasher7]

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i have to say there is some definite truth to this. a good example is the atkinson brothers - didn't they get arrested for beating up some kid on a bike that cut in front of their fathers car or something dumb like that? (not trying to start crap, just saying) I never heard anything about that out of BC, although I also admittedly don't know if they were ever even convicted of anything.

It happened when they were in high school. Your point would be valid if he happened in college.

 

[Redd10]

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It happened when they were in high school. Your point would be valid if he happened in college.

it happened two weeks before they would have been going to BC - that's different from them being sophomores in high school, they were graduated and a handful of days from becoming official bc student athletes

 

[Rhett]

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more to it than that. this wasnt a little kid riding his bike to the park to play on the swings.

Is where they were going important? There's no indication they were suspected of any wrong doing.

He was taking a left hand turn, he might not have even had the right-of-way.