Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

[Onion Man]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Link? Quote? Evidenciary support? Or is it simply more BS that you spout based on nothing more than your subjective fantasy?

Do you serious have nothing better to do with your time than troll BU threads with this nonsense?

Dude, people have been talking about the demise of hockey in Massachusetts for years now. I can see the point there.

 

[Onion Man]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

I think this is a great point and is a factor in players going to BC/leaving BU early. Parker's style of coaching is not for everyone. He's very hard on his players, as I assume York is, but Parker is more harsh about it. Many of the players who come to BU have either been coddled their whole life because they are superstars on their previous teams or they have not spent that much time outside of a family (billet or biological) atmosphere.

These players come to BU, get their butts kicked in practice every day and then go wild at night. There's nobody there to bring them back to earth, give them some home cooking, and let them just chill out. The BC players talk about a family atmosphere a lot. You don't hear that often from BU players. The season is long and stressful, the players are trying to do their best on the ice while managing to at least keep up with their studies, and then they have a coach who is constantly hard on them. It's a lot to handle.

One of the differences between this team and the 2009 team is that there were a lot of high-impact locals on the 2008-09 squad. Lawrence, Higgins, Gilroy, Strait, Smolinsky, McCarthy - they all had family in the area. This team still has a Gilroy and then there's Warsofsky from Marshfield, Coyle from Weymouth, Ronan from Woburn and Gaudet from Burlington. Warsofsky and Coyle are the only two real impact players, and I can't imagine the team travels up to Burlington for some R&R with the Gaudets.

Parker throws his players under the bus regularly. I have never heard York, Berenson or any other coach in that same age group do such a thing.

 

[Federal League]

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To add to the players staying at BC vs. players leaving BU...

I've gotten the impression from talking to both coaches that York approaches the situation with his mind on what's best for BC, while Parker approaches it with his mind on what's best for the player. I'm not saying York doesn't consider what's best for the player - I have all the respect in the world for York and I know he does think about the players, too. But I get the impression, especially after talking to him about Atkinson, that his approach is kind of, "Ultimately it's up to you, but I think you would benefit a lot from spending some more time here." Parker, on the other hand, won't hesitate to tell a guy to go if he thinks he's ready. That might not be what BU fans want to hear, but that's the way I've seen it. He's not going to try and persuade a guy to stay if he thinks he can make an impact with an NHL team. Wilson, Gilroy, Bonino, Shattenkirk and even Cohen are all evidence of this.

Getting back to Atkinson and even Jimmy Hayes, the NHL came calling for both of those guys this summer and York didn't tell them to go. I'm sure he didn't say anything like, "If you go, you're an idiot," but he definitely made a pitch for why they should stay at BC for another year. He told me as much in regards to Atkinson. He said he told Atkinson he didn't think it was the right time. I don't know about all of you, but there's no doubt in my mind that Atkinson could've helped the Blue Jackets this year. I have to think if Atkinson was playing at BU, Parker probably would've told him to go and wouldn't have made much of an effort to talk him into staying.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with either approach. You can't fault York for looking out for what's best for BC, and you can't fault Parker for doing what he thinks is best for that player. Obviously York's approach is better from a program perspective, but is it better for the players? It probably varies from one situation to the next. It's easy to say the NHL will always be there, but what if there's an injury or a really bad season and then it's not?

 

[DaveStPaul]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

And BC kids go to a great school in an awesome location but BU kids go to a diploma mill in the middle of the ghetto. No point in staying for four years when you could get shot to death in your dorm room and not have much to show for it when you "graduate."

After four years at BU, I'd learned how to handle almost any situation life could throw at me. Forgetting to set my alarm, losing the key to the condo my dad bought me, how to cope when I'd get to Ibiza on spring break and maybe it was colder than I'd expected. See, what you call "ghetto," I call "living street." Now I know I can handle any situation, whether in Brooklyn, Rome, or Bali. Whereas the people I knew at BC all wound up moving to Somerville, which was "really close to the city!!!" Also, thanks to my BU diploma, I now make eleventy million dollars. A month.

 

[limey]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

To add to the players staying at BC vs. players leaving BU...

I've gotten the impression from talking to both coaches that York approaches the situation with his mind on what's best for BC, while Parker approaches it with his mind on what's best for the player. I'm not saying York doesn't consider what's best for the player - I have all the respect in the world for York and I know he does think about the players, too. But I get the impression, especially after talking to him about Atkinson, that his approach is kind of, "Ultimately it's up to you, but I think you would benefit a lot from spending some more time here." Parker, on the other hand, won't hesitate to tell a guy to go if he thinks he's ready. That might not be what BU fans want to hear, but that's the way I've seen it. He's not going to try and persuade a guy to stay if he thinks he can make an impact with an NHL team. Wilson, Gilroy, Bonino, Shattenkirk and even Cohen are all evidence of this.

Getting back to Atkinson and even Jimmy Hayes, the NHL came calling for both of those guys this summer and York didn't tell them to go. I'm sure he didn't say anything like, "If you go, you're an idiot," but he definitely made a pitch for why they should stay at BC for another year. He told me as much in regards to Atkinson. He said he told Atkinson he didn't think it was the right time. I don't know about all of you, but there's no doubt in my mind that Atkinson could've helped the Blue Jackets this year. I have to think if Atkinson was playing at BU, Parker probably would've told him to go and wouldn't have made much of an effort to talk him into staying.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with either approach. You can't fault York for looking out for what's best for BC, and you can't fault Parker for doing what he thinks is best for that player. Obviously York's approach is better from a program perspective, but is it better for the players? It probably varies from one situation to the next. It's easy to say the NHL will always be there, but what if there's an injury or a really bad season and then it's not?

I also understand that Parker told Mike Grier (in not so few words) that he needed no more development at the college level and that it would be wise to leave early and join the NHL.

 

[Onion Man]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

To add to the players staying at BC vs. players leaving BU...

I've gotten the impression from talking to both coaches that York approaches the situation with his mind on what's best for BC, while Parker approaches it with his mind on what's best for the player. I'm not saying York doesn't consider what's best for the player - I have all the respect in the world for York and I know he does think about the players, too. But I get the impression, especially after talking to him about Atkinson, that his approach is kind of, "Ultimately it's up to you, but I think you would benefit a lot from spending some more time here." Parker, on the other hand, won't hesitate to tell a guy to go if he thinks he's ready. That might not be what BU fans want to hear, but that's the way I've seen it. He's not going to try and persuade a guy to stay if he thinks he can make an impact with an NHL team. Wilson, Gilroy, Bonino, Shattenkirk and even Cohen are all evidence of this.

Getting back to Atkinson and even Jimmy Hayes, the NHL came calling for both of those guys this summer and York didn't tell them to go. I'm sure he didn't say anything like, "If you go, you're an idiot," but he definitely made a pitch for why they should stay at BC for another year. He told me as much in regards to Atkinson. He said he told Atkinson he didn't think it was the right time. I don't know about all of you, but there's no doubt in my mind that Atkinson could've helped the Blue Jackets this year. I have to think if Atkinson was playing at BU, Parker probably would've told him to go and wouldn't have made much of an effort to talk him into staying.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with either approach. You can't fault York for looking out for what's best for BC, and you can't fault Parker for doing what he thinks is best for that player. Obviously York's approach is better from a program perspective, but is it better for the players? It probably varies from one situation to the next. It's easy to say the NHL will always be there, but what if there's an injury or a really bad season and then it's not?

I dont think Jerry York is being dishonest with his players to keep them in the program if that's what your insinuating. I think every college coach should be honest with his players and if they coach doesn't think they are ready and coming out early will ultimately hurt them, its his role to try and let the player know that. Speaking of BC, I think the best example of a kid staying to maximize his development is Brian Boyle. Im sure he thought he could play in the bigs after a couple of years but clearly staying four had a huge part in making him the player he is today.

 

[sterlippo1]

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To add to the players staying at BC vs. players leaving BU...

I've gotten the impression from talking to both coaches that York approaches the situation with his mind on what's best for BC, while Parker approaches it with his mind on what's best for the player. I'm not saying York doesn't consider what's best for the player - I have all the respect in the world for York and I know he does think about the players, too. But I get the impression, especially after talking to him about Atkinson, that his approach is kind of, "Ultimately it's up to you, but I think you would benefit a lot from spending some more time here." Parker, on the other hand, won't hesitate to tell a guy to go if he thinks he's ready. That might not be what BU fans want to hear, but that's the way I've seen it. He's not going to try and persuade a guy to stay if he thinks he can make an impact with an NHL team. Wilson, Gilroy, Bonino, Shattenkirk and even Cohen are all evidence of this.

Getting back to Atkinson and even Jimmy Hayes, the NHL came calling for both of those guys this summer and York didn't tell them to go. I'm sure he didn't say anything like, "If you go, you're an idiot," but he definitely made a pitch for why they should stay at BC for another year. He told me as much in regards to Atkinson. He said he told Atkinson he didn't think it was the right time. I don't know about all of you, but there's no doubt in my mind that Atkinson could've helped the Blue Jackets this year. I have to think if Atkinson was playing at BU, Parker probably would've told him to go and wouldn't have made much of an effort to talk him into staying.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with either approach. You can't fault York for looking out for what's best for BC, and you can't fault Parker for doing what he thinks is best for that player. Obviously York's approach is better from a program perspective, but is it better for the players? It probably varies from one situation to the next. It's easy to say the NHL will always be there, but what if there's an injury or a really bad season and then it's not?

perhaps York IS looking out for the kid by saying he should stay because he knows getting his degree is paramount and it's ALWAYS best for the player to stay in school, at least in his mind..........good stuff there though, FL

 

[Federal League]

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I dont think Jerry York is being dishonest with his players to keep them in the program if that's what your insinuating. I think every college coach should be honest with his players and if they coach doesn't think they are ready and coming out early will ultimately hurt them, its his role to try and let the player know that. Speaking of BC, I think the best example of a kid staying to maximize his development is Brian Boyle. Im sure he thought he could play in the bigs after a couple of years but clearly staying four had a huge part in making him the player he is today.

I'm not trying to insinuate dishonesty, which is why I tried to be as careful as possible in articulating my point. I wouldn't fault any coach for telling a player he could benefit from another year in school. I just think Parker is more likely to advise a player to go to the NHL than York is.

 

[mookie1995]

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I also understand that Parker told Mike Grier (in not so few words) that he needed no more development at the college level and that it would be wise to leave early and join the NHL.

yes he did. same with poti.

gerbe left early and played almost that entire year in portland, right? wonder how Jerry helped with that decision.

-also, really glad to see boyle break out. it's been, seems like forever, but he is going to get his 20th goal soon (if he hasn't already). good for him. nice kids. though i'm still po'ed about the "KEVIN!!!!"

 

[mookie1995]

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..... I just think Parker is more likely to advise a player to go to the NHL than York is.

if the player will go to the nhl? every time. yes.

if the player will sit in the minors, no. see strait, see dipietro. (though i wonder about colby... )

 

[TommyNoblesIsLife]

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(though i wonder about colby... )

As far as I know, Parker made a pitch for Cohen to stay. Told him he would be captain, you can never get your senior year back, all that stuff. Cohen has said that talking with Parker made it harder for him to leave.

I think Parker misses out a little at times by being so blunt with his players as to whether they should stay or go. Yes, he's in the business of helping hockey players develop in order to maximize their career, but he's also in the business of winning college hockey games. Sometimes, when you get an exodus of players the way BU did last year, it feels like the program is simply a mill for the NHL. It's nice to see players do well professionally, but people pay BU to see a winning hockey team, not a hockey mill.

 

[yankeefn01]

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yes he did. same with poti.

gerbe left early and played almost that entire year in portland, right? wonder how Jerry helped with that decision.

-also, really glad to see boyle break out. it's been, seems like forever, but he is going to get his 20th goal soon (if he hasn't already). good for him. nice kids. though i'm still po'ed about the "KEVIN!!!!"

Boyle is currently sitting at 19 goals on the season in 58 games played. As a Rangers fan, he is making it very difficult for me to hold a grudge against him for being an eagle. He's been huge.

 

[limey]

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As far as I know, Parker made a pitch for Cohen to stay. Told him he would be captain, you can never get your senior year back, all that stuff. Cohen has said that talking with Parker made it harder for him to leave.

I think the point was that Parker is honest and straightforward when he thinks someone has more to gain in leaving than staying, not that he simply tells everyone to leave.

 

[TimP]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Parker doesn't tell people to leave. He kicks them off the team.

 

[slurpees]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Every post from TimP should be followed by this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE

 

[yankeefn01]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Every post from TimP should be followed by this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE

followed by:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

 

[Redd10]

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Every post from TimP should be followed by this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE

followed by:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

zinger and zinger

 

[limey]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Parker doesn't tell people to leave. He kicks them off the team.

Everyone here wishes Parker would kick you off this thread.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Whatever happened with the green line car accident and all the alcohol at BC? After the initial story it just seemed to go away.

Even after the T came out and accepted responsibility for the accident, I expected some discipline for the three players involved. With it being shortly after the season ended, who knows what that could have been. Or maybe there wasn't any. We certainly know York has no problem dismissing players/disciplining them when necessary. Booting Motherwell/O'Hanley and embarrassing Boyle/Rooney by stripping their letters for poor class attendance are examples. One big difference is the story always seems to get out when it involves BU. At BC, you don't hear much--even if something did happen. Chalk that up to BU being a journalism school perhaps and everything that comes with that.

You can make your arguments about which team is producing more at what position, but the numbers pretty much debunk the claim that BU (or Parker) is clearly poor at developing players. The numbers simply don't support that premise.

Again, if he's developing good players, what's happened with his teams?

I've gotten the impression from talking to both coaches that York approaches the situation with his mind on what's best for BC, while Parker approaches it with his mind on what's best for the player. I'm not saying York doesn't consider what's best for the player - I have all the respect in the world for York and I know he does think about the players, too. But I get the impression, especially after talking to him about Atkinson, that his approach is kind of, "Ultimately it's up to you, but I think you would benefit a lot from spending some more time here." Parker, on the other hand, won't hesitate to tell a guy to go if he thinks he's ready. That might not be what BU fans want to hear, but that's the way I've seen it. He's not going to try and persuade a guy to stay if he thinks he can make an impact with an NHL team. Wilson, Gilroy, Bonino, Shattenkirk and even Cohen are all evidence of this.

Getting back to Atkinson and even Jimmy Hayes, the NHL came calling for both of those guys this summer and York didn't tell them to go. I'm sure he didn't say anything like, "If you go, you're an idiot," but he definitely made a pitch for why they should stay at BC for another year. He told me as much in regards to Atkinson. He said he told Atkinson he didn't think it was the right time. I don't know about all of you, but there's no doubt in my mind that Atkinson could've helped the Blue Jackets this year. I have to think if Atkinson was playing at BU, Parker probably would've told him to go and wouldn't have made much of an effort to talk him into staying.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with either approach. You can't fault York for looking out for what's best for BC, and you can't fault Parker for doing what he thinks is best for that player. Obviously York's approach is better from a program perspective, but is it better for the players? It probably varies from one situation to the next. It's easy to say the NHL will always be there, but what if there's an injury or a really bad season and then it's not?

I'm not really buying this argument. Don't know either guy, but Parker comes off as a fierce competitor who will do everything in his power to be better than BC, etc. Parker wants what's best for BU just as much as York wants what's best for BC. And really, the evidence I provided earlier doesn't show much of a difference between the programs in regard to guys leaving early. I can't think of one situation where a BC player has stayed and it ended up hurting him.

As for Atkinson, I honestly don't think he would have made the Blue Jackets roster. At 5' 8", he still has a formidable task in front of him. It has taken Gerbe three years to finally break through with Buffalo--and he's got more speed/talent/grit than Cam.

Yes, he's in the business of helping hockey players develop in order to maximize their career, but he's also in the business of winning college hockey games.

Right. I don't think it's an either or with either of these coaches.

BTW, I did forget someone from my research...Nick Petrecki. Left after two years. After the reputation he built up and target he had on his back, there is no doubt in my mind that he and York agreed it would be best for his development if he moved on to pro hockey.

 

[limey]

Re: Boston University 2010-11 Part III - Is That So Much To Ask?

Again, if he's developing good players, what's happened with his teams?

Well as I stated before, the teams are nowhere near as poor as people would have you believe. Many of them were a game away from the FF. One won a National Championship. They made the NCAAs far more often than they missed them.

If your standard is BC over the last 10 years, then no other program measures up. However, compared to the entire field, BU is easily top-10 and arguably on the upswing.