sterlippo1
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
thanks for the explanation
thanks for the explanation
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Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Schedules released for both men's and women's hockey today.
FYI, the women open at home vs. BU (no exhibition) on October 5 - it'd be great if more people came out to support them in the rivalry and honor 2 Frozen Four appearances back-to-back (clearly following in 06 & 07 BC men's footsteps so they win this year) at the opener. Assume tickets are still free as they have been in past seasons.
The men open the following night with exhibition vs. New Brunswick, first game at NU on the 13th then first home game on the 20th also NU.
Schedules released for both men's and women's hockey today.
FYI, the women open at home vs. BU (no exhibition) on October 5 - it'd be great if more people came out to support them in the rivalry and honor 2 Frozen Four appearances back-to-back (clearly following in 06 & 07 BC men's footsteps so they win this year) at the opener. Assume tickets are still free as they have been in past seasons.
The men open the following night with exhibition vs. New Brunswick, first game at NU on the 13th then first home game on the 20th also NU.
claver2010
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Who says the globe hates BC?
http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/09/07/making-bad-situation-worse/WEW9A822eJA0jSYMX5tELK/story.html
BU making a bad situation worse
By Brian McGrory | Globe Columnist September 07, 2012
The president of Boston University commissions a report to look at just how far the school’s hockey team has gone off the rails.
That report, in turn, concludes that hockey players lived in a “culture of sexual entitlement,” constantly given the star treatment, offered every reason to believe they are better than everyone else. In one telling episode, they filled the showers at the Agganis Arena with kegs after winning a championship, skated naked on the ice, and had sex in the penalty boxes.
At other times, two players were charged with sexual assault in a three-month span. That doesn’t include the player who shoved his hands down a woman’s pants even as she punched him to get away. They drank for free at a local bar, regularly skipped classes, and bullied a professor. There are some allusions that their grades were changed for the better.
The coach, the legendary Jack Parker, first denied he knew of the infamous post championship party, then admitted that he was aware of drinking in the locker room, even as players told a commission that he had reprimanded the team for its behavior. In other words, Jack Parker apparently lied.
“Jack Parker is the coach. If he didn’t know of the entitled culture in the classroom and with women, then he should have. If he didn’t know about the excessive drinking, he should have. If he didn’t know that too many of his players were acting like basic morons all across the campus, he should have.”
This is the stuff you expect to hear from the football factories of the Midwest. These are the types of stories that are told in faraway places where the blind pursuit of championships causes major universities to constantly stumble and fall. And now we find the same story is playing out on Commonwealth Avenue.
So how does the university react to this blockbuster report? What do the president and senior officials do to make things right?
They decide to review guidelines and define sanctions and – brace yourselves here – strip Parker of the entirely meaningless title of “executive athletic director.” His pay, coaching tenure, and status are every bit left alone.
And with that, BU has taken a deeply embarrassing situation and made it infinitely worse.
Let’s not put too fine a point on it all, but the unfortunate reality is that Jack Parker has to go. He may be the great guy that so many people believe him to be. His 40-year tenure may well be one for the record books. His ability to win championships can never be questioned. But he has painfully and obviously lost the capacity to coach his students about life, and that failure is costing his program and the larger university in the very worst of ways.
If you want to see how it’s done right, look just up the street at Jerry York and Boston College, where national hockey championships are won more often of late but without the criminal charges and controversies.In regards to Parker, the report undertakes some impressive intellectual gymnastics. It basically says that it’s unclear what Parker knew and what he didn’t. It specifically says that the guidelines he and his staff were supposed to follow were “not sufficiently clear.”
You’ve got to be kidding.
Jack Parker is the coach. If he didn’t know of the entitled culture in the classroom and with women, then he should have. If he didn’t know about the excessive drinking, he should have. If he didn’t know that too many of his players were acting like basic morons all across the campus, he should have. It’s his job, not only to win championships, but to shape his players, and in that, he has obviously and miserably failed.
And if you need clear guidelines to act like an adult, hang it up, because you clearly no longer have what it takes.
Which gets to the president, Robert Brown. His university is filled with talented scholars – world-class scientists, deep-thinking philosophers, elite debaters, and celebrated writers. It’s also filled with students who are trying to learn a little bit about their subjects and a lot more about life.
And along comes the administration’s muted, foot-shuffling response in regards to Parker, a painful lesson that as far as BU has come, some cows will always remain sacred.
Parker failed his players. Worse, Brown is now failing his school, sacrificing dignity in pursuit of another championship.
Who says the globe hates BC?
http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/09/07/making-bad-situation-worse/WEW9A822eJA0jSYMX5tELK/story.html
BU making a bad situation worse
By Brian McGrory | Globe Columnist September 07, 2012
The president of Boston University commissions a report to look at just how far the school’s hockey team has gone off the rails.
That report, in turn, concludes that hockey players lived in a “culture of sexual entitlement,” constantly given the star treatment, offered every reason to believe they are better than everyone else. In one telling episode, they filled the showers at the Agganis Arena with kegs after winning a championship, skated naked on the ice, and had sex in the penalty boxes.
At other times, two players were charged with sexual assault in a three-month span. That doesn’t include the player who shoved his hands down a woman’s pants even as she punched him to get away. They drank for free at a local bar, regularly skipped classes, and bullied a professor. There are some allusions that their grades were changed for the better.
The coach, the legendary Jack Parker, first denied he knew of the infamous post championship party, then admitted that he was aware of drinking in the locker room, even as players told a commission that he had reprimanded the team for its behavior. In other words, Jack Parker apparently lied.
“Jack Parker is the coach. If he didn’t know of the entitled culture in the classroom and with women, then he should have. If he didn’t know about the excessive drinking, he should have. If he didn’t know that too many of his players were acting like basic morons all across the campus, he should have.”
This is the stuff you expect to hear from the football factories of the Midwest. These are the types of stories that are told in faraway places where the blind pursuit of championships causes major universities to constantly stumble and fall. And now we find the same story is playing out on Commonwealth Avenue.
So how does the university react to this blockbuster report? What do the president and senior officials do to make things right?
They decide to review guidelines and define sanctions and – brace yourselves here – strip Parker of the entirely meaningless title of “executive athletic director.” His pay, coaching tenure, and status are every bit left alone.
And with that, BU has taken a deeply embarrassing situation and made it infinitely worse.
Let’s not put too fine a point on it all, but the unfortunate reality is that Jack Parker has to go. He may be the great guy that so many people believe him to be. His 40-year tenure may well be one for the record books. His ability to win championships can never be questioned. But he has painfully and obviously lost the capacity to coach his students about life, and that failure is costing his program and the larger university in the very worst of ways.
If you want to see how it’s done right, look just up the street at Jerry York and Boston College, where national hockey championships are won more often of late but without the criminal charges and controversies.In regards to Parker, the report undertakes some impressive intellectual gymnastics. It basically says that it’s unclear what Parker knew and what he didn’t. It specifically says that the guidelines he and his staff were supposed to follow were “not sufficiently clear.”
You’ve got to be kidding.
Jack Parker is the coach. If he didn’t know of the entitled culture in the classroom and with women, then he should have. If he didn’t know about the excessive drinking, he should have. If he didn’t know that too many of his players were acting like basic morons all across the campus, he should have. It’s his job, not only to win championships, but to shape his players, and in that, he has obviously and miserably failed.
And if you need clear guidelines to act like an adult, hang it up, because you clearly no longer have what it takes.
Which gets to the president, Robert Brown. His university is filled with talented scholars – world-class scientists, deep-thinking philosophers, elite debaters, and celebrated writers. It’s also filled with students who are trying to learn a little bit about their subjects and a lot more about life.
And along comes the administration’s muted, foot-shuffling response in regards to Parker, a painful lesson that as far as BU has come, some cows will always remain sacred.
Parker failed his players. Worse, Brown is now failing his school, sacrificing dignity in pursuit of another championship.
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
I am planning on creating the BC team on NHL 13 next week (since the ***** at EA keep deciding to leave college teams out). Can a knowledgeable Boston College fan give me some line predictions for this upcoming season? (also write each player's overall skill level on a scale to 100 if your really bored).
I am planning on creating the BC team on NHL 13 next week (since the ***** at EA keep deciding to leave college teams out). Can a knowledgeable Boston College fan give me some line predictions for this upcoming season? (also write each player's overall skill level on a scale to 100 if your really bored).
claver2010
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
I think so
According to the twitter machine, the team has started captains practices
I think so
According to the twitter machine, the team has started captains practices
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Am I the only Hockey East fan who is seriously ****ed at the idea of everybody gets in the playoffs? Should have stuck to 8 teams get in; having 4 teams miss the playoffs would only increase the importance of each regular season conference game.
Am I the only Hockey East fan who is seriously ****ed at the idea of everybody gets in the playoffs? Should have stuck to 8 teams get in; having 4 teams miss the playoffs would only increase the importance of each regular season conference game.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
maybe.. but to me (being a child of the days of the original 21), seemed like EVERYONE made the playoffs!!! best tournament in the world are your hockey playoffs.
maybe.. but to me (being a child of the days of the original 21), seemed like EVERYONE made the playoffs!!! best tournament in the world are your hockey playoffs.
claver2010
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
No
Have disliked every step of expansion
No
Have disliked every step of expansion
sterlippo1
Well-known member
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
you aren't alone.............this thread should never be on page 2, btw
you aren't alone.............this thread should never be on page 2, btw
BCeagle
Registered User
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
UConn should not be in HE and I question a team like ND from the Mid-west being in a eastern conference just doesn't seem appropriate. They should be a Big Ten Team.
UConn should not be in HE and I question a team like ND from the Mid-west being in a eastern conference just doesn't seem appropriate. They should be a Big Ten Team.
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Great get for BC to have New Brunswick in for an exhibition game. The Red Devils are perennially amongst the best university teams in Canada. Will be more than a scrimmage and will help the Eagles get ready for the HE schedule. And check out the half-visors -- would love to see the NCAA adopt them!
Great get for BC to have New Brunswick in for an exhibition game. The Red Devils are perennially amongst the best university teams in Canada. Will be more than a scrimmage and will help the Eagles get ready for the HE schedule. And check out the half-visors -- would love to see the NCAA adopt them!
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Greg Brown's title has been upgraded to match Cavanaugh's. Both are now Associate Head Coaches (Logue, who has been a BC coach longer than the other 3, is still Assistant Coach).
Some images of Brown over the last few years - http://bit.ly/GBbce
Greg Brown's title has been upgraded to match Cavanaugh's. Both are now Associate Head Coaches (Logue, who has been a BC coach longer than the other 3, is still Assistant Coach).
Some images of Brown over the last few years - http://bit.ly/GBbce
claver2010
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Sounding more and more likely that Frazier from Wisconsin is going to be our next AD
I really like the choice
Sounding more and more likely that Frazier from Wisconsin is going to be our next AD
I really like the choice
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Agreed. He has pretty much everything you're looking for. I had some trepidation in regards to his connection at Merrimack and the potential for replacing Jerry with Dennehy, which I hope to God never happens, but then I realized that Jerry is pretty much going to call the shots on his replacement (I hope... and also hope he doesn't have Dennehy on his list) and that Dennehy actually came to Merrimack about two weeks before Frazier was hired. I'm not sure what type of relationship the two have.
Hopefully Frazier is the guy and comes in and rips that mustache right off Spaz's face first thing on October 1st. Need to hit a homerun on this next hire. Take some of this freakin extra ACC money and pay for a good god****ed coach. Is it that difficult?
Wisconsin as an athletic department was always one we seemed to mirror right down to the brand of football before Jags/Logan were brought in. In, out and around the top 25, tough Oline, good running backs and good running game and tough defense. Spaz ruined that quickly but this is something we need to get back to IMO. Plus they have great hoops and hockey, something we also had not too long ago in our first few years in the ACC.
Gene, Spaz, and Leahy can't leave soon enough. Hopefully at least Leahy gives Frazier some room to maneuver the future of this athletic department or they should just
Agreed. He has pretty much everything you're looking for. I had some trepidation in regards to his connection at Merrimack and the potential for replacing Jerry with Dennehy, which I hope to God never happens, but then I realized that Jerry is pretty much going to call the shots on his replacement (I hope... and also hope he doesn't have Dennehy on his list) and that Dennehy actually came to Merrimack about two weeks before Frazier was hired. I'm not sure what type of relationship the two have.
Hopefully Frazier is the guy and comes in and rips that mustache right off Spaz's face first thing on October 1st. Need to hit a homerun on this next hire. Take some of this freakin extra ACC money and pay for a good god****ed coach. Is it that difficult?
Wisconsin as an athletic department was always one we seemed to mirror right down to the brand of football before Jags/Logan were brought in. In, out and around the top 25, tough Oline, good running backs and good running game and tough defense. Spaz ruined that quickly but this is something we need to get back to IMO. Plus they have great hoops and hockey, something we also had not too long ago in our first few years in the ACC.
Gene, Spaz, and Leahy can't leave soon enough. Hopefully at least Leahy gives Frazier some room to maneuver the future of this athletic department or they should just
irishfan85
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Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Curious Nick and others, as a Merrimack fan, Dennehy brought us some great things, a magical few years, I doubt he can keep it up, but I think he can keep MC consistently watchable. Let's face it. We're the small fish in the big conference. Dennehy has graduated his players, they have been role models off the ice. I know it is a cardinal sin to recruit overagers, but I doubt he'd do that at BC...you know why? He wouldn't have to!
I personally hope he sticks at MC and doesn't get offered a BC job, but why so down on him? He cannot win at Merrimack with right out of high school local kids. Just because MC isn't full of local kids doesn't make them bad people.
Curious Nick and others, as a Merrimack fan, Dennehy brought us some great things, a magical few years, I doubt he can keep it up, but I think he can keep MC consistently watchable. Let's face it. We're the small fish in the big conference. Dennehy has graduated his players, they have been role models off the ice. I know it is a cardinal sin to recruit overagers, but I doubt he'd do that at BC...you know why? He wouldn't have to!
I personally hope he sticks at MC and doesn't get offered a BC job, but why so down on him? He cannot win at Merrimack with right out of high school local kids. Just because MC isn't full of local kids doesn't make them bad people.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions
Dennehy is a BC guy but I have my doubts as to whether he will be the right fit. First of all, I think it's apparent he's done amazing things at Merrimack and a lot of stuff off the ice is not even getting enough recognition. His formula and BC's formula are two very different things, both somewhat required at each school at least for now. It remains to be seen whether he could fit into BC's model. I doubt BC wants him bringing in overaged kids from Canada (where a lot of his contacts are) and France to play a boring style of hockey (top to bottom those kids battle, I'll give them that). Player development will be important. Aside from catching a nice goalie and a kid from France, can he develop 18 year old kids into NHL-ready players? A lot remains to be seen with him. You could argue that coaching at BC is like shooting fish in a barrel and he would carry a lot of credibility locally after doing what he did at Merrimack and having the title of BC hockey coach. To some degree sure it is something he can do like almost anyone could but the difference between sleep-walking to 20 wins and pulling off the February-April magic is a fine art that Jerry York has perfected and apparently very few others know. I'll take Brown, who has been around York for quite a while now, over Dennehy any day (note what BC has done since Brown has been on the staff - it might be a coincidence, it might not. Defense has been outstanding in the playoffs lately, 2008 was a freaking miracle job with those kids). I doubt Cavanaugh would get the job, he is a Spaziani/Bud Foster type guy that is the best in the business at being an assistant but probably wouldn't be able to pull of the HC job (I hope Cav stays here forever and ends up retiring with 10+ NCs).
The thuggery from Merrimack during the Maine series this past year, clearly something in my mind that was a directive from the coaching staff there, has also made me push him further from the top of my list (if not pushing him below some others, widening the gap between the next best alternatives).
Dennehy is a BC guy but I have my doubts as to whether he will be the right fit. First of all, I think it's apparent he's done amazing things at Merrimack and a lot of stuff off the ice is not even getting enough recognition. His formula and BC's formula are two very different things, both somewhat required at each school at least for now. It remains to be seen whether he could fit into BC's model. I doubt BC wants him bringing in overaged kids from Canada (where a lot of his contacts are) and France to play a boring style of hockey (top to bottom those kids battle, I'll give them that). Player development will be important. Aside from catching a nice goalie and a kid from France, can he develop 18 year old kids into NHL-ready players? A lot remains to be seen with him. You could argue that coaching at BC is like shooting fish in a barrel and he would carry a lot of credibility locally after doing what he did at Merrimack and having the title of BC hockey coach. To some degree sure it is something he can do like almost anyone could but the difference between sleep-walking to 20 wins and pulling off the February-April magic is a fine art that Jerry York has perfected and apparently very few others know. I'll take Brown, who has been around York for quite a while now, over Dennehy any day (note what BC has done since Brown has been on the staff - it might be a coincidence, it might not. Defense has been outstanding in the playoffs lately, 2008 was a freaking miracle job with those kids). I doubt Cavanaugh would get the job, he is a Spaziani/Bud Foster type guy that is the best in the business at being an assistant but probably wouldn't be able to pull of the HC job (I hope Cav stays here forever and ends up retiring with 10+ NCs).
The thuggery from Merrimack during the Maine series this past year, clearly something in my mind that was a directive from the coaching staff there, has also made me push him further from the top of my list (if not pushing him below some others, widening the gap between the next best alternatives).
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