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Boston College Off-Season Thread: 2012 National Champions

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Why is DeFelippo hated so much at BC? He has 4 national hockey titles under his watch and got the other teams out of the wretched Big East and into the ACC. Seems like he should be a hero
 
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The new AD will be all about football and hoops. Period. These are the cash cows and both have been running deep in the red for awhile. If the new guy (assuming it's a guy) is an outsider, he may not even know a hockey program exists until he's been on campus for awhile.
 
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How much money are football/men's basketball losing? Just curious where you're getting those numbers from.
 
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How much money are football/men's basketball losing? Just curious where you're getting those numbers from.

The Sunday Globe ran an article maybe a year or so ago that took a look at the economics of big-time sports programs and found that very few of them were contributing any significant revenue to their respective university's general funds. Most were putting whatever money they made back into the athletic departments and some were actually running at a deficit and needed to be subsidized by the the general funds. BC was in this category to the tune of several million.

As a backdrop, you need to understand that once upon a time, coaches and ADs bragged about how many classroom buildings, dorms, etc. were built with football money. The thrust of the Glube article was that although BCS football is bringing in more revenue than it ever has, contrubutions to the general funds are lower than they have ever been at most schools because of inflated coaches salaries, significantly higher travel costs, etc. In terms of basketball, the big money is made by advancing in the NCAA tournament, which is something BC hasn't been able to do in recent years.
 
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It would seem to me that general funds for a university shouldn't exclude going to athletics and that funds made specifically in athletics shouldn't necessarily have to be put back into a school's general funds. My guess would be it's not all that uncommon to put more into athletics than what you make back. Sure it would be nice for BC to make money in athletics, but is that even realistic? I don't know. In any event, losing whatever money they do in athletics doesn't seem to be having an impact on the school itself. Plus, I don't think these numbers take into consideration that some students might be drawn to go to BC due to athletics. Obviously not a decision made entirely due to the attraction of athletics, but it has to be a factor for some.
 
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It would seem to me that general funds for a university shouldn't exclude going to athletics and that funds made specifically in athletics shouldn't necessarily have to be put back into a school's general funds. My guess would be it's not all that uncommon to put more into athletics than what you make back. Sure it would be nice for BC to make money in athletics, but is that even realistic? I don't know. In any event, losing whatever money they do in athletics doesn't seem to be having an impact on the school itself. Plus, I don't think these numbers take into consideration that some students might be drawn to go to BC due to athletics. Obviously not a decision made entirely due to the attraction of athletics, but it has to be a factor for some.

i think that absolutely has a great impact on decisions that incoming freshmen will make in regards to quality of life.
 
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Why is DeFelippo hated so much at BC? He has 4 national hockey titles under his watch and got the other teams out of the wretched Big East and into the ACC. Seems like he should be a hero

I realize the AD position is, by definition, an 'autocratic' one. But DeFilippo wore that shirt to a T. He was an acerbic autocrat, and he literally drove good basketball and football coaches elsewhere. The shambles that BC football and basketball are in rest at DeFilippo's feet.

Possibly driving DeFilippo to his exit was the $5m 'You-Can't-Touch-This' endowment earmarked strictly for hockey...the sport that DeFilippo disliked and had no interest it. That was a clearly-labeled smack at him: "Here's a pile of money for the sport you don't care about, and there's not a bloody thing you can do about it."

The fact that the sports he cared about tanked and the one he didn't flourished also suggested 'LOSER.'

For every person that's sad DeFilippo is gone, there are 100 who aren't.
 
Congrats to Gene for all he did for BC Athletics and in particular BC Men's and Women's Ice Hockey. Not sure there are any other D-I Ice Hockey AD's who have overseen such success.
Seriously? Yet he couldnt show up at flag raisings to see the fruits of his labor? NOT! Hearing the news while on vacation i guess is akin to double dipping
 
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It would seem to me that general funds for a university shouldn't exclude going to athletics and that funds made specifically in athletics shouldn't necessarily have to be put back into a school's general funds. My guess would be it's not all that uncommon to put more into athletics than what you make back. Sure it would be nice for BC to make money in athletics, but is that even realistic? I don't know. In any event, losing whatever money they do in athletics doesn't seem to be having an impact on the school itself. Plus, I don't think these numbers take into consideration that some students might be drawn to go to BC due to athletics. Obviously not a decision made entirely due to the attraction of athletics, but it has to be a factor for some.

I'm with you on the notion that athletics is a factor in the decisions some (but not all) kids make in deciding which college to attend and I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have a quality athletic program. But last time I looked, the two principal missions of a university were to educate and conduct research, not run player development programs for the NFL and NBA. And that's exactly what you're doing when those two marquee sports can't at least pay for themselves, considering all of the revenue streams they have. I suppose we're getting into philosophical viewpoints here but, in my view, the big-ticket sports ought to at least generate enough cash to fund all of the non-revenue sports, and maybe even intramurals. Another concern is that when the big-ticket sports need to be subsidized to stay afloat, then there's that much less left in the general funds for things like student aid, facilities, staff, services, and all the other things that relate to the aforementioned principal missions of a university.
 
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Split-N, I get what you're saying here. But I offer these points in rebuttal:

I'm with you on the notion that athletics is a factor in the decisions some (but not all) kids make in deciding which college to attend and I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have a quality athletic program. But last time I looked, the two principal missions of a university were to educate and conduct research, not run player development programs for the NFL and NBA. And that's exactly what you're doing when those two marquee sports can't at least pay for themselves, considering all of the revenue streams they have. I suppose we're getting into philosophical viewpoints here but, in my view, the big-ticket sports ought to at least generate enough cash to fund all of the non-revenue sports, and maybe even intramurals.
If you don't think our athletics program plays not just a 'factor' but a top 3 role in many, many prospective BC students' decisions on where to attend college, then I really don't know what to tell you here. BC is so popular among applicants because it is one of the few 'total package' universities out there that have such extraordinarily high ratings of academics, quality of life, beauty of its campus, etc. Athletics is THE number one reason students will cite a high quality of life on campus when applying here. No, not everyones'. But an extremely high percentage.
Another concern is that when the big-ticket sports need to be subsidized to stay afloat, then there's that much less left in the general funds for things like student aid, facilities, staff, services, and all the other things that relate to the aforementioned principal missions of a university.
This would be a decent point, except:
1) BC is currently spending what amounts to nearly half its endowment on a massive, campus-wide master plan to completely upgrade nearly every part of campus. We're doing just fine financially.
2) I'm not really sure where you found that BC's athletics department is running in the red. This is the most recent item I've found (from the beginning of 2011), and athletics made a profit. I'm sure there are more recent ones but I can't find them for some reason. Anyway, regardless of this, BC gets SO much more in donations because of athletics, and even of those not earmarked for the Flynn Fund or for athletics, a great deal of donations are a direct result of a student's love of their school -- much of which is a direct result of BC's athletics program.

Just because Northeastern's athletic department sucks to the point where they had to drop football doesn't mean everyone else who runs a successful athletics program is somehow abandoning their missions of educating students and conducting research in favor of being some player development program for the pros. Having good athletics and good academics isn't mutually exclusive. In fact, BC's academics are stronger because of its athletics program because it brings in so many more applicants and allows the university to be more selective.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure BC really is providing a feeder system of talent to the NHL. But that's something else entirely.
 
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so BC's athletic dept profit is the exact same as the football program profit? that is a little suspect. i mean i can buy that bball operates at a small profit that covers hockey's small loss and all other sports that are relatively cost neutral - but exact same? odd. BC is traditionally tight lipped. so i assume this includes only the bare minimum data that is required to be made public.

i just got the athletic report in the mail, it provides very little info. but here are two more useful tidbits... total cost of scholarships was $15.7M and total gifts related to athletics was $20.1M

i assume the bowl $'s are included in the football expenses linked above, but one of the big reasons BC switched to the ACC was because they pool bowl money together and distribute it evenly to everyone in the conference, whereas, the big east made you keep whatever you earned only. the craptastic bowls that BC made it to were certainly net losses when you included all travel costs. so that was a net increase in revenue; also the TV deal is far more profitable in the ACC.

it wouldnt surprise me if an overall dip in profitability is what forced gene's ouster.
 
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But last time I looked, the two principal missions of a university were to educate and conduct research, not run player development programs for the NFL and NBA. And that's exactly what you're doing when those two marquee sports can't at least pay for themselves, considering all of the revenue streams they have. I suppose we're getting into philosophical viewpoints here but, in my view, the big-ticket sports ought to at least generate enough cash to fund all of the non-revenue sports, and maybe even intramurals. Another concern is that when the big-ticket sports need to be subsidized to stay afloat, then there's that much less left in the general funds for things like student aid, facilities, staff, services, and all the other things that relate to the aforementioned principal missions of a university.

Are you talking about in general or specifically in regard to BC? Because I don't think anyone would say BC is focusing on a player development path to the NFL/NBA. All I'm saying is it doesn't appear to me that it would be all that uncommon for schools like BC to operate at a little bit of a loss in athletics. In the grand scheme of things, it's not that big of a deal as it's not having a huge impact on the growth of the university in other areas. You have to ask yourself if operating at a slight loss is worth the attention the school gets. As an example, with prospective high school students. I'd say yes, it is worth it.

As far as I know, BC is doing just fine as an institution...it's nothing to worry about.
 
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Are you talking about in general or specifically in regard to BC?....

It's a general comment that stems from earlier discussion of who the next AD might be now that GDF is stepping down. My take was that it would be a football and hoops guy simply because these two sports are the cash cows but both have been running in the red in recent years (at according to the Globe) and need to be subsidized by the general funds. The irony remains that, at the BCS level, these two sports are the beneficiaries of significant revenue streams yet can't pay for themselves. It wasn't meant to be a shot at BC per se as there are plenty of other BCS schools that operate at a loss despite even bigger revenue sources.
 
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so BC's athletic dept profit is the exact same as the football program profit? that is a little suspect. i mean i can buy that bball operates at a small profit that covers hockey's small loss and all other sports that are relatively cost neutral - but exact same? odd.
I'm pretty sure I saw an annual report somewhere that showed similar 'cost-neutral' reporting... but I think it's just a form of creative accounting honestly. Either that or what you said, just that they only got bare-minimum data that only showed total athletic department revenue/expenses so the article probably just said eff it and attributed it all to football or something.
 
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Correlation isn't causation. DeFelippo really stunk at his job, he's just lucky he has the greatest college hockey coach EVER employed at his university. A hockey coach that preceded DeFelippo by two years, so Gene had nothing to do with it.

Hopefully the new AD is more competent.
 
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He didn't always stink at his job, just in recent years.
 
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Note on Birdsall, he's listed as a 2015 recruit by heisenberg. Being a November 96 birthdate, that's the logical year for him to come. That said, I see him accelerating to enter BC a year early. Don't see Jerry and Co. handing over the starting reigns to a freshman in 2015, and could probably use a year being a back up to Billet. Seems pretty advanced already and 2 years in USHL will probably be enough.
 
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Took them long enough:

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