Boston College Hockey, Part II

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

Where would you slot Samuelsson on the current team, also a good 6-8th D?

Only because of BC's horrible job in recruiting D over the past 2 or 3 years does he fit in there. Why do you think the 6-8 D who went to BU and other teams over the past 4/5 years didnt end up at BC?

Who would go there if you knew every power play they would run 5 F's/
that is a joke position for D to be in and the vast majority of players points come on special teams, case in point Joe Whitney as a freshmen, a ton of 2nd assists.
If you were a high end D, with offensive abilities and a rep for being strong there, why go to BC and get zero chance at it.

The high end kids in the USHL on the D side dont look at it as they know how important the PP is. BC has 1 d committed for the next 3 years, a kid from the BCHL

BU on the other hand has a whole squad better then BC's current crop, same last year and 2 highend natl program kids coming in next season.

that will catch them in natl chase, just like it almost did down the stretch in Beanpot

 

[Agganis]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

Only because of BC's horrible job in recruiting D over the past 2 or 3 years does he fit in there. Why do you think the 6-8 D who went to BU and other teams over the past 4/5 years didnt end up at BC?

Who would go there if you knew every power play they would run 5 F's/
that is a joke position for D to be in and the vast majority of players points come on special teams, case in point Joe Whitney as a freshmen, a ton of 2nd assists.
If you were a high end D, with offensive abilities and a rep for being strong there, why go to BC and get zero chance at it.

The high end kids in the USHL on the D side dont look at it as they know how important the PP is. BC has 1 d committed for the next 3 years, a kid from the BCHL

BU on the other hand has a whole squad better then BC's current crop, same last year and 2 highend natl program kids coming in next season.

that will catch them in natl chase, just like it almost did down the stretch in Beanpot

So then is Lyles only a good 6-8 because of BC's "horrible recruiting" {sic}?
And wouldn't a D with offensive abilities want to go to a school that had great forwards he could work with and a defensive minded D partner that would allow him to push a little farther forward than another offensive? I know that is a matter of personal preference, but if I was an offensive minded D I would love that situation.

Also BU's D corp last year was probably one of the greatest ever, so to compare anything, other than historically great defensemen is a bit unfair.

 

[Eaglefan06]

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Only because of BC's horrible job in recruiting D over the past 2 or 3 years does he fit in there. Why do you think the 6-8 D who went to BU and other teams over the past 4/5 years didnt end up at BC?

Who would go there if you knew every power play they would run 5 F's/
that is a joke position for D to be in and the vast majority of players points come on special teams, case in point Joe Whitney as a freshmen, a ton of 2nd assists.
If you were a high end D, with offensive abilities and a rep for being strong there, why go to BC and get zero chance at it.

The high end kids in the USHL on the D side dont look at it as they know how important the PP is. BC has 1 d committed for the next 3 years, a kid from the BCHL

BU on the other hand has a whole squad better then BC's current crop, same last year and 2 highend natl program kids coming in next season.

that will catch them in natl chase, just like it almost did down the stretch in Beanpot

1. You are an idiot. You have been proving wrong many times yet continue to come back and make the arguements. Why don't you do us all a favor and go post somewhere else. None of us like you, we just like proving you to be an idiot so just save us the time and take a hike.

2. If BU's "whole squad" is better than BC's defense, why the hell are they under .500 while BC is fighting for a number 1 seed? They are one of the worst defenses in the nation, they are just good at offense from the back end. When they have to do their actual job and you know PLAY DEFENSE they suck. But who would want to stop goals from being scored when you can score a bazillon goals and lose OMGZ!!!

Idiot.

 

[Hokydad]

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BU's win/loss record dilema is because of issues up front, not on the point. Last years D was better then anyone BC had, this year Gryba, Warsofsky, Shatenkirk and Cohen are as well.
Clendenning from the natl teams advisor talked to Petreckis advisor and saw how they run things, decommitted and is now going to BU. BC can get almost any F they want but none of the top D in USHL or natl program look at it as a place to go.

 

[True Blue Fan]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

BU's win/loss record dilema is because of issues up front, not on the point. Last years D was better then anyone BC had, this year Gryba, Warsofsky, Shatenkirk and Cohen are as well.
Clendenning from the natl teams advisor talked to Petreckis advisor and saw how they run things, decommitted and is now going to BU. BC can get almost any F they want but none of the top D in USHL or natl program look at it as a place to go.

How do you explain the fact that for the year BC has given up about 20 goals less than BU?

 

[joegrav]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

BU's win/loss record dilema is because of issues up front, not on the point. Last years D was better then anyone BC had, this year Gryba, Warsofsky, Shatenkirk and Cohen are as well.
Clendenning from the natl teams advisor talked to Petreckis advisor and saw how they run things, decommitted and is now going to BU. BC can get almost any F they want but none of the top D in USHL or natl program look at it as a place to go.

LOL. Did your advisor friend also let you know that Clendenning was flirting with major juniors so BC pulled the offer? Or did he leave that part out?

Really though, the part I enjoy most about this is the focus on whether or not he'll be "NHL-ready" and what he has to do to make the NHL. As if Jerry York (or BC fans) should care. We see guys like Yip, Brian Boyle and Ferriero sticking in the NHL while Gerbe, Bradford and Collins aren't - and I doubt Gibbons or Atkinson will be long for the NHL either. But who would you rather have on your college team? If BU recruited for the college game instead of the guys who pro scouts have hard ons for, they might have a better offense this year.

As for BU's D - yes, last year's group was fantastic. But let's take a look at the defensive abilities of this year's D-men... Colby Cohen is awful defensively and is good for at least one gaffe per game. Gryba has all of the penalties of Petrecki, without the speed and skill. I think BC just cut a check to Escobedo to thank him for helping us score a few goals in the Beanpot.

Warsofsky and Shattenkirk are two of the best in the league but the rest of their D corps, they can keep.

 

[Hokydad]

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How do you explain the fact that for the year BC has given up about 20 goals less than BU?

First BC's Forwards have the puck in the offensive end up 90% of the time..

Second, BU's goalie is having a huge sophmore slump

2009/2010 GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 43 335 378 .886 3.15 6-8-0 .429 14 0

2008/2009
GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 35 419 454 .923 1.80 15-1-3 .868 20 2 71.

Slight difference vs last eyar

similar to BC this year, with the following players not in BU's lineup this year, then puck is not in the other teams end as much

Gilroy, Strait, Higgins, Lawrence, McCarthy, Yip, Wilson.. Those 7 playersgone is why, coupled with sophmore goalie slump.

twice the GA avg and a save pct over 50 points lower.

 

[jcarter7669]

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First BC's Forwards have the puck in the offensive end up 90% of the time..

Second, BU's goalie is having a huge sophmore slump

2009/2010 GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 43 335 378 .886 3.15 6-8-0 .429 14 0

2008/2009
GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 35 419 454 .923 1.80 15-1-3 .868 20 2 71.

Slight difference vs last eyar

similar to BC this year, with the following players not in BU's lineup this year, then puck is not in the other teams end as much

Gilroy, Strait, Higgins, Lawrence, McCarthy, Yip, Wilson.. Those 7 playersgone is why, coupled with sophmore goalie slump.

twice the GA avg and a save pct over 50 points lower.

Right, because Millan's sophmore slump couldn't because the D in front of him isn't as good ....

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

LOL. Did your advisor friend also let you know that Clendenning was flirting with major juniors so BC pulled the offer? Or did he leave that part out?


That had nothing to do with it at all, 100% bs and wrong.
Have known the kid and father for many years. BC didnt pull sh**.
He left because he told THEM, not the other way around that he was in fact considering major juniors and didnt know if he was going to be coming there. After HE sorted out his options and decided what path he wanted, he signed on with BU in about 10 minutes. BU's gain, BC's loss.

BC pulled his offer? what a joke.

Really though, the part I enjoy most about this is the focus on whether or not he'll be "NHL-ready" and what he has to do to make the NHL. As if Jerry York (or BC fans) should care. We see guys like Yip, Brian Boyle and Ferriero sticking in the NHL while Gerbe, Bradford and Collins aren't - and I doubt Gibbons or Atkinson will be long for the NHL either. But who would you rather have on your college team? If BU recruited for the college game instead of the guys who pro scouts have hard ons for, they might have a better offense this year

Gerbe looked like he was sticking just fine when he played vs Bruins a couple nights ago. He will have a nice carear, as will the otehrs you mentioned.

 

[Hokydad]

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Right, because Millan's sophmore slump couldn't because the D in front of him isn't as good ....

save pct of 887 this year vs 923 last year would say yes, sophmore slump.

If you wacthed Gilroy last night, you would know his D is not his strength.

 

[True Blue Fan]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

First BC's Forwards have the puck in the offensive end up 90% of the time..

Second, BU's goalie is having a huge sophmore slump

2009/2010 GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 43 335 378 .886 3.15 6-8-0 .429 14 0

2008/2009
GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 35 419 454 .923 1.80 15-1-3 .868 20 2 71.

Slight difference vs last eyar

similar to BC this year, with the following players not in BU's lineup this year, then puck is not in the other teams end as much

Gilroy, Strait, Higgins, Lawrence, McCarthy, Yip, Wilson.. Those 7 playersgone is why, coupled with sophmore goalie slump.

twice the GA avg and a save pct over 50 points lower.

If the crux of your arguement is that BU has better d men than BC, than goals allowed is pretty telling stat. First BC may have a higher % of time in their offensive zone than BU, but they do not carry the play 90% of the time in their zone.

I will give you that BU lost quite a bit of talent on d, but they should still have the edge on BC and be giving up less goals. Jcarter may be right (god that hurts to say), the sophmore slump of the goalie may be a result of the d men not playing that well in front of him. Purely speculation as I have only seen BU play twice this year.

 

[Hokydad]

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If the crux of your arguement is that BU has better d men than BC, than goals allowed is pretty telling stat. First BC may have a higher % of time in their offensive zone than BU, but they do not carry the play 90% of the time in their zone.

I will give you that BU lost quite a bit of talent on d, but they should still have the edge on BC and be giving up less goals. Jcarter may be right (god that hurts to say), the sophmore slump of the goalie may be a result of the d men not playing that well in front of him. Purely speculation as I have only seen BU play twice this year.

being almost dead last in every catagory and going from a save pct of 923 to 886 and a GA of 1.8 to 3.15 means many things, one of which is that the golaie is not playing as well as he did alst eyar

90% was clearly an overstatement.

 

[J.D.]

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Hokydad, I don't know if you know this, but Steve Cedorchuk is not the coach at BC. The reason BC only has one d commit right now is because they only have one senior and don't expect anyone to leave early after this year. York has a history of having some type of scholarship/walk-on combination equaling eight guys. Next year:

Cross, Jr.
Shea, Jr.
Lyles, Jr.
Dumoulin, So.
Samuelsson, So.
Wey, So.
Alber, So.
MacLeod, Fr.

Is that an off the charts group? No, but I don't think it has anything to do with certain guys not wanting to come to BC because they use five forwards on the PP. That's ridiculous and I bet these kids don't even know that. Also, they don't always use five forwards on the PP. This year, they only recently started doing that a few weeks ago. Great players want to play with other great players. It's as simple as that.

Now, would you agree that none of those guys from BC are potential flight risks? The only possible candidate would be Cross and I would think the Bruins want to see him get through a full college season before subjecting him to the pro game. He's not ready anyway.

Compare that to BU and they're almost certainly going to lose Shattenkirk and maybe Cohen too. Yes, Warsofsky will be better than anyone BC has next year, but after that I don't see a huge difference.

I will agree that if BC comes up short this year, it will almost certainly be because they don't have quite enough on defense.

EDIT: BC will be just fine without Clendening. Until you reveal who you are or how you "know" all of this inside information, you can't be taken seriously. Jerry York knows what he's doing and has helped develop plenty of quality dmen over the years.

 

[True Blue Fan]

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being almost dead last in every catagory and going from a save pct of 923 to 886 and a GA of 1.8 to 3.15 means many things, one of which is that the golaie is not playing as well as he did alst eyar

90% was clearly an overstatement.

It is also an indication that maybe the defense is allowing better shots to be taken from better angles, not having proper defensive positioning to clear rebounds, not keeping the front of the net clear of traffic that can pounce on rebounds and screen shots. This will result in both a lower save % and high gaa.

I know that 90% was an overstatement.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

Hokydad, I don't know if you know this, but Steve Cedorchuk is not the coach at BC. The reason BC only has one d commit right now is because they only have one senior and don't expect anyone to leave early after this year. York has a history of having some type of scholarship/walk-on combination equaling eight guys. Next year:

Cross, Jr.
Shea, Jr.
Lyles, Jr.
Dumoulin, So.
Samuelsson, So.
Wey, So.
Alber, So.
MacLeod, Fr.

Is that an off the charts group? No, but I don't think it has anything to do with certain guys not wanting to come to BC because they use five forwards on the PP. That's ridiculous and I bet these kids don't even know that. Also, they don't always use five forwards on the PP. They only recently started doing that this year. Great players want to play with other great players. It's as simple as that.

Now, would you agree that none of those guys from BC are potential flight risks? The only possible candidate would be Cross and I would think the Bruins want to see him get through a full college season before subjecting him to the pro game. He's not ready anyway.

Compare that to BU and they're almost certainly going to lose Shattenkirk and maybe Cohen too. Yes, Warsofsky will be better than anyone BC has next year, but after that I don't see a huge difference.

I will agree that if BC comes up short this year, it will almost certainly be because they don't have quite enough on defense.

So you are trying to tell me that Joe Whitney and Benn Ferriero didnt run the power play 3 years ago when Joe was a freshmen? The vast majority of his pts were 2nd assits on it. They have been doing that for sometime, every kid knew about it and it drives the d nuts. That is where you get your points from.

Samuelson would leave the second he gets a call, which might not happen. Dumoulin was a pretty high pick and will last jr year tops. Cross, without the injury bug would have been gone this year or next. Alber gets zero money and was an insurance policies like Lyles. Shea was a partial, 4/5/6 guy at best. Wey is a good one, a player who had a ton of points in USHL and is a PP guy, one who gets zero opportunities because of BC's love of 5 F's. To say the high end advisors and players dont know that is innacurate.

 

[joegrav]

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Gerbe looked like he was sticking just fine when he played vs Bruins a couple nights ago. .

Hahahahaha. O RLY?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020876

That was awful mean of the NHL to leave him off of the box score for that game, as well as every other game since December, seeing as he played in the game, according to Hokydad and his infinite wisdom.

 

[bothman]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

How do you explain the fact that for the year BC has given up about 20 goals less than BU?

Best defense is a good offense....

 

[Hokydad]

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Best defense is a good offense....

exactly

 

[J.D.]

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So you are trying to tell me that Joe Whitney and Benn Ferriero didnt run the power play 3 years ago when Joe was a freshmen? The vast majority of his pts were 2nd assits on it. They have been doing that for sometime, every kid knew about it and it drives the d nuts. That is where you get your points from.

Samuelson would leave the second he gets a call, which might not happen. Dumoulin was a pretty high pick and will last jr year tops. Cross, without the injury bug would have been gone this year or next. Alber gets zero money and was an insurance policies like Lyles. Shea was a partial, 4/5/6 guy at best. Wey is a good one, a player who had a ton of points in USHL and is a PP guy, one who gets zero opportunities because of BC's love of 5 F's. To say the high end advisors and players dont know that is innacurate.

Sorry, you missed my edit. I meant to say that this year, they only started using five forwards recently. Sneep was replaced by Steven Whitney.

And you know that that drives kids nuts? Sorry, again, I can't take you seriously when you throw such a generality out there.

I'm not sure why you're breaking down every dman now. All I'm saying is it's a pretty good bet that all will be back next year. Sneep out, MacLeod in.

 

[joegrav]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

I'd like to think the players like to win more than they like padding assist stats on the PP. BC's two best offensive D are IMO Cross and Sneep; Sneep was turning the puck over and allowing shorties, and Cross was hurt. It made perfect sense for York to go w/5 forwards on the PP and you can't argue with the results so far.

Playing 5 Fs on the PP also allowed the important 4 Dmen to rest while Wey and Cross were both out; although you think Lyles is as good as Wey and Samuelsson the coaching staff obviously felt like Lyles and Alber were limited compared to the other four.

Sneep will get his chance to QB the PP again, but I like running 5 forwards right now.