Boston College Hockey, Part II

[True Blue Fan]

Re: Boston College Hockey, Part II

Best defense is a good offense....

exactly

I do believe this to an extent, but BC scores .69 goals a game more than BU, not exactly a major difference over the course of 26 games. Also the offensive zone time for each club will not be as disparate as you may believe.

 

[Hokydad]

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Hahahahaha. O RLY?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2009020876

That was awful mean of the NHL to leave him off of the box score for that game, as well as every other game since December, seeing as he played in the game, according to Hokydad and his infinite wisdom.

Good point, i saw number 37 for minute and thought it was him,. Which it was not

he has 2 pts in 2 games, boyle 6 in 58

Gerbe won natl champ for you, Boyle goated it away

 

[Hokydad]

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Sorry, you missed my edit. I meant to say that this year, they only started using five forwards recently. Sneep was replaced by Steven Whitney.

And you know that that drives kids nuts? Sorry, again, I can't take you seriously when you throw such a generality out there.

I'm not sure why you're breaking down every dman now. All I'm saying is it's a pretty good bet that all will be back next year. Sneep out, MacLeod in.

any dman with pride would be pi***** off if 5 F's were on the PP. They will suck it up for the good of the team but still be annoyed.

 

[joegrav]

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Good point, i saw number 37 for minute and thought it was him,. Which it was not

he has 2 pts in 2 games, boyle 6 in 58

Gerbe won natl champ for you, Boyle goated it away

1. Gerbe is #42 for Buffalo... in college he was #9....

2. MY POINT EXACTLY. Boyle is the NHL prospect (as are Yip, Ferriero) while guys like Gerbe and Collins aren't. Who would you rather have on your college team? I trust York's judgement of who makes a good NCAA player over what some supposed anonymous NHL scout thinks.

 

[Hokydad]

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I do believe this to an extent, but BC scores .69 goals a game more than BU, not exactly a major difference over the course of 26 games. Also the offensive zone time for each club will not be as disparate as you may believe.

.70 goals more a game is huge....

 

[joegrav]

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Anyone who wouldn't want to play for a team because their power play system wouldn't pad their individual point totals is not someone I want playing for BC anyway. Let them go to Canada.

Come play college hockey if you want to compete for championships and get a degree while playing high-level hockey. This isn't a minor league development camp.

 

[Hokydad]

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1. Gerbe is #42 for Buffalo... in college he was #9....

2. MY POINT EXACTLY. Boyle is the NHL prospect (as are Yip, Ferriero) while guys like Gerbe and Collins aren't. Who would you rather have on your college team? I trust York's judgement of who makes a good NCAA player over what some supposed anonymous NHL scout thinks.

I know his college number.. I also have followed him at Portland and Buffalo, just not much lately, obviously.

What does Yip have to do with York?

Collins is not a pro because of his attitude and out of shape. Burned bridges immediatly in Providence wuth Bruins and they shipped him off in a blink, hard to recover when you geta bad rep like that

Ferriero was a great college player, did all of the little things right, had 150+/- points, went to 3 national championship games, won a Beanpot, Hockey east titles etc. A true 18 year old freshmen when he came out. Ran the PP for them last 2 years there. Its not his fault he is also a great pro prospect

 

[Hokydad]

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Anyone who wouldn't want to play for a team because their power play system wouldn't pad their individual point totals is not someone I want playing for BC anyway. Let them go to Canada.

Come play college hockey if you want to compete for championships and get a degree while playing high-level hockey. This isn't a minor league development camp.

Its laughable and naive to think that kids, families and advisors with D 1 dreams and NHL goals feel that way. they might suck it up when they get there but a joke to think otherwise. Every kid there is for the team but looks at stats, listens to see if they got the 2nd assist etc.

You live in a dream world superjoe...

If that was the criteria for playing at BC, you wouldnt have any of the players there today, zero

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Hokydad, I don't know if you know this, but Steve Cedorchuk is not the coach at BC. The reason BC only has one d commit right now is because they only have one senior and don't expect anyone to leave early after this year.

Hahahahahhaa. Hokydope, you really are a sweet little turd.

Anyway, as far as the concept of forwards playing the point, it's the chicken-egg theory here. York has dabbled with guys back there for a while now. He's done it with Pat Eaves, Ryan Shannon (who also does this in the NHL... HMMMMMMMM), Benn Ferriero and last year Whitney. Keep in mind, Whitney was also moved back to D because every defenseman on the team could not move the puck up the ice without handing it over to the other team. That says a lot IMO, both about Whitney and what York had to use last year. This year it has been different.

Now... if a defenseman with offense were to go to BC, they'd certainly get time back there. Has BC used Cross on the PP this year? Sneep? Certainly. Dumoulin has been back there as an 18 year old freshman. The Cross injury forced him to reinvent the PP and it's been working. I'm sure he'd rather lose these games with lower PP% so some recruit might want to play at BC so then the PP could get better and... oh look, we're right back where we started with the forwards at the point.

 

[joegrav]

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Ferriero was a great college player, did all of the little things right, had 150+/- points, went to 3 national championship games, won a Beanpot, Hockey east titles etc. A true 18 year old freshmen when he came out. Ran the PP for them last 2 years there. Its not his fault he is also a great pro prospect

You make a good point here, actually. Ferriero was an excellent player for BC and a huge contributor to the '08 title team. But anyone who watched his offensive output last year would have been surprised to see him go straight to the NHL at the start of '09-'10 - for the Sharks, no less.

What Yip has to do with it, you'd understand if you weren't so god**** dense. He wasn't exactly a worldbeater in college (I thought he was a hack myself) but he's proving to be quite the legit NHL player.

 

[J.D.]

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any dman with pride would be pi***** off if 5 F's were on the PP. They will suck it up for the good of the team but still be annoyed.

Ha you know, I did notice that the defensemen celebrated by themselves after the win Monday night

Yes, any d-man wants to get additional PP time, but if they get ****ed/annoyed and let it bother them, they're being selfish. Jerry York's job isn't to boost egos, it's to field his best team.

Collins is not a pro because of his attitude and out of shape. Burned bridges immediatly in Providence wuth Bruins and they shipped him off in a blink, hard to recover when you geta bad rep like that

Here we go again with your know-it-all attitude on EVERY player. Chris Collins simply isn't good enough. He had a great senior year, but he doesn't have the explosion/grit combination that a Gerbe/Gionta have.

 

[joegrav]

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If that was the criteria for playing at BC, you wouldnt have any of the players there today, zero

Really? Zero? You think that like, Matt Lombardi, Brooks Dyroff, Chris Venti, and Patch Alber only came to BC so they could have a better chance of getting into the NHL? LOL

No offense to any of those guys who are all solid players and character guys and who knows, maybe they'll all get their chance to play pro hockey. But that's just a laughable comment hokydad.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Also, the irony of hokydad's argument should be noted when comparing BC and BU. BU not too long ago had a young man that played forward manning the point on the PP before he realized he was going to flunk out. Must have really ticked off his teammates and I'm sure guys like Shattenkirk, Cohen, and Warsofsky dropped BU like a bad habit when they were being recruited!!!!

Just sayin.

 

[Hokydad]

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You make a good point here, actually. Ferriero was an excellent player for BC and a huge contributor to the '08 title team. But anyone who watched his offensive output last year would have been surprised to see him go straight to the NHL at the start of '09-'10 - for the Sharks, no less.

because ferriero is an old school type of player and played hurt all year.
he was always a pro type player going back to his freshmen year at GDA when he was an every other **** center. I remember being at that dump rink when they played cushing and York came to watch. Stood in the bathroom between periods and asked him what he thought of Ben and he said, "that kid gets it". He still does, ask his San Jose coach.


What Yip has to do with it, you'd understand if you weren't so god**** dense. He wasn't exactly a worldbeater in college (I thought he was a hack myself) but he's proving to be quite the legit NHL player.

because you were talking all bc players and kept adding Yips name in there, and associating it with York.
He might have been a hackbut had close to a point agame and almost 100 points, as well as a bunch of Hockey east championships and natl championship.

 

[Hokydad]

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Also, the irony of hokydad's argument should be noted when comparing BC and BU. BU not too long ago had a young man that played forward manning the point on the PP before he realized he was going to flunk out. Must have really ticked off his teammates and I'm sure guys like Shattenkirk, Cohen, and Warsofsky dropped BU like a bad habit when they were being recruited!!!!

Just sayin.

Now we are going to believe that CB earned what he got at BU? please....

 

[Hokydad]

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Ha you know, I did notice that the defensemen celebrated by themselves after the win Monday night

of couse not

Yes, any d-man wants to get additional PP time, but if they get ****ed/annoyed and let it bother them, they're being selfish. Jerry York's job isn't to boost egos, it's to field his best team.

true but if you dont think it bugs them you are wrong.



Here we go again with your know-it-all attitude on EVERY player. Chris Collins simply isn't good enough. He had a great senior year, but he doesn't have the explosion/grit combination that a Gerbe/Gionta have.

I loved Chris Collins as a BC player as well. thought he was their best player his senior year. zero to do with a know it all attitude. He went to Providence for Bruins way to heavy, bad attitude and ticked off a couple of their coaches. was shipped off to long Beach California, to lose weight and adjust his attitude. Is listed as 5'8" around 208, was as high as 225 if my memory serves me right. Could be off on that one. Is in europe I think now.

Now you use Gerbe as an example of what it takes to be a pro player

 

[sterlippo1]

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You make a good point here, actually. Ferriero was an excellent player for BC and a huge contributor to the '08 title team. But anyone who watched his offensive output last year would have been surprised to see him go straight to the NHL at the start of '09-'10 - for the Sharks, no less.

What Yip has to do with it, you'd understand if you weren't so god**** dense. He wasn't exactly a worldbeater in college (I thought he was a hack myself) but he's proving to be quite the legit NHL player.

i thought Ferriero had a good career at BC but it seemed to me that he was an enigma of sorts, i just expected more........ especially senior year, but then again, the whole team never clicked and that most likely hurt his production............

 

[Agganis]

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Also, the irony of hokydad's argument should be noted when comparing BC and BU. BU not too long ago had a young man that played forward manning the point on the PP before he realized he was going to flunk out. Must have really ticked off his teammates and I'm sure guys like Shattenkirk, Cohen, and Warsofsky dropped BU like a bad habit when they were being recruited!!!!

Just sayin.

And back in the distant days of last year Gilroy was paired with a forward on the point (Yip), and even this semester Connolly has been on the point of the first PP unit, but in that case Colby is up at forward so there are still only 3 forwards on the ice. If I had to guess I'd say more often than not in the past 6-10 years BU has had one forward play on the point for the PP.

 

[ScottK]

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First BC's Forwards have the puck in the offensive end up 90% of the time..

Second, BU's goalie is having a huge sophmore slump

2009/2010 GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 43 335 378 .886 3.15 6-8-0 .429 14 0

2008/2009
GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO
31 Kieran Millan 35 419 454 .923 1.80 15-1-3 .868 20 2 71.

Slight difference vs last eyar

twice the GA avg and a save pct over 50 points lower.

I see that your math skills are as good as your English skills. His save percentage is 37 points lower. Unless you're using some funky math 37 is not over 50. Also, 3.15 is not twice 1.80 for his GAA.

 

[FiveHole12]

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Just got off the phone with a bunch of scouts and advisors.

They all said Hokeydope is the biggest phony they ever met and to just put him on ignore.