Boston College Hockey, Part II

[J.D.]

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Looking at the last three games, all 12 forwards have registered at least one point:

J. Whitney (2 G) - Gibbons (1-6-7) - C. Atkinson (1-4-5)
Kreider (3 G) - Smith (1-2-3) - Hayes (1-1-2)
Carey (1 G) - Mullane (1-3-4) - S. Whitney (2-4-6)
Almeida (1 G) - Price (1-1-2) - Lombardi (1 A)

So on top of that, 11 of 12 have scored goals. Talk about balance. York can truly roll four lines without any concerns. With Muse slowly coming on, get Wey back soon for depth/competition and things are looking pretty good right now.

PK is up to #6 in the country, PP at #9. They're doing a very good job staying out of the box as well. Time for the stretch run here. The RS title is now in their sights.

0-3-1 in the last four against UML. Hopefully time to take out some frustration this weekend!

 

[Kenny]

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Looking at the last three games, all 12 forwards have registered at least one point:

J. Whitney (2 G) - Gibbons (1-6-7) - C. Atkinson (1-4-5)
Kreider (3 G) - Smith (1-2-3) - Hayes (1-1-2)
Carey (1 G) - Mullane (1-3-4) - S. Whitney (2-4-6)
Almeida (1 G) - Price (1-1-2) - Lombardi (1 A)

So on top of that, 11 of 12 have scored goals. Talk about balance. York can truly roll four lines without any concerns. With Muse slowly coming on, get Wey back soon for depth/competition and things are looking pretty good right now.

PK is up to #6 in the country, PP at #9. They're doing a very good job staying out of the box as well. Time for the stretch run here. The RS title is now in their sights.

0-3-1 in the last four against UML. Hopefully time to take out some frustration this weekend!

If the Price line can continue to shut down opposing top lines, this team will continue to score goals in bunches. Carey/Mullane/S. Whitney line against opponents 4th lines is a huge mismatch. That's why they have been producing so much lately, because they are matching up against 4th lines. Steven Whitney is starting to live up to the hype. That goal at UMass showed how much skill he has and how capable he is of producing individual highlight reel goals. With Kreider playing like he is, Smith's net presence, and Hayes's continued hustle/determination, there's very few teams that can match up with this group of forwards.

Throw in the depth on D, when Wey returns, and the fire Milner has lit under Muse, and watch out. Great expectations are suddenly realistic.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I maintain that the key to the season is one Mr. Carl Sneep. He is the difference between bad defense and good defense. The other guys seem to play well when he does. He's been a lot better and more consistent this year.

The offense is going to score without much trouble. PP doesn't seem to worry me (although again, key is to get shots from the point if it goes stale).

But the defense makes or breaks the team as elite rather than just good.

 

[J.D.]

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Agree on the defense in general. I have a feeling that if this team falls short on some of its goals, we'll be saying they just didn't have enough on defense just yet.

Still not very confident in Sneep (one play from Monday late in the game where he had a chance to dump the puck in the BU end, but waited too long and got pick pocketed at center ice). Only d-man with a worse +/- on the team is Lyles...

 

[Hokydad]

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Not arguing but if you dont have confidence with Sneep then the season should be a throw away. Samuelson and Dumoulin were terrible in Beanpot, Samuelson in particular turned it over everytime he touched it.

The D will go as Sneep goes. Without him, the party would be over

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Dumoulin had a rough shift on the Warsofsky goal Monday.

But he's been unconscious for the last 2 months. Total stud. And really, if voting was based on play rather than points and crap, he'd be the ROY in the league IMO.

Will be interested to see Wey when he comes back. He has been ok in general but seems to just make that mistake that comes with experience.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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the defense makes or breaks the team as elite rather than just good.

Completely correct.

 

[Hokydad]

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Dumoulin had a rough shift on the Warsofsky goal Monday.

But he's been unconscious for the last 2 months. Total stud. And really, if voting was based on play rather than points and crap, he'd be the ROY in the league IMO.

Will be interested to see Wey when he comes back. He has been ok in general but seems to just make that mistake that comes with experience.

Agreed Dumoulin has been solid+, far superior to Samuelson. Amazing that Pitt wasted a pick on him, another example of a relationship(dad)

 

[J.D.]

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Not arguing but if you dont have confidence with Sneep then the season should be a throw away. Samuelson and Dumoulin were terrible in Beanpot, Samuelson in particular turned it over everytime he touched it.

The D will go as Sneep goes. Without him, the party would be over

Agreed Dumoulin has been solid+, far superior to Samuelson. Amazing that Pitt wasted a pick on him, another example of a relationship(dad)

It's ok to argue. You're talking about one game. I'm talking in general. There's a reason Sneep is only a +3. BTW, what d were on the ice in the closing seconds against BU protecting the one goal lead? I'm almost certain it was Dumoulin and Samuelsson. That speaks volumes of what the coaches think of them.

Yes, they both had a tough moment or two in their latest game, but guess what? They're freshmen!!! You just clearly have an agenda against Samuelsson and want everybody to believe that he's been terrible.

I agree that for this team to be "great", they need Sneep to be consistent. I just don't know if he has it in him.

 

[Bryan MacAvoy]

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Interested in a little more analysis of our D. I've been watching more closely since Jan., and certainly the offense (and solid play from Muse) is fueling the current charge.
But I agree we're thin on D, and Samuelsson and Dumoulin looked downright shaky in the B'Pot.
As someone who hasn't seen Wey too much, how did he looked in play? What will the team look like with him back (ie- what might be the pairs, etc.)?

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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As someone who hasn't seen Wey too much, how did he looked in play? What will the team look like with him back (ie- what might be the pairs, etc.)?

Inconsistent. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Just needs to get more used to the level of competition and speed IMO. He took a chance against Merrimack one game at Conte and couldn't reach the pass across so the guy went past him and scored on a breakaway. At Harvard, a game BC was absolutely dominating, he came behind his net and fanned on the clearing pass from his crease, allowing Harvard to take it across the crease and score.

His mistakes have been really bad. But he does have quite a bit of upside. Not as much offense as I would have liked. But one thing that is great is that everyone has nice passes out of the zone this year. No problem getting transition. Cross has helped a ton. Wey. Shea. Sneep. Dumoulin. All great at moving the puck up the ice. Can't believe BC moved whitney back there last year. That was buffoonery, as much as everyone loves York. But then again, he tried to change a situation that wasn't working so IDK.

 

[J.D.]

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Interested in a little more analysis of our D. I've been watching more closely since Jan., and certainly the offense (and solid play from Muse) is fueling the current charge.
But I agree we're thin on D, and Samuelsson and Dumoulin looked downright shaky in the B'Pot.
As someone who hasn't seen Wey too much, how did he looked in play? What will the team look like with him back (ie- what might be the pairs, etc.)?

Pairs before he got injured were:

Dumoulin-Sneep
Cross-Wey
Samuelsson-Shea

Nothing flashy from Wey in his brief career. One thing that stood out is him taking some bad angles on defense. I don't think his return will have a major impact in terms of results, but he'll be a welcome addition to round out the six back there.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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One thing that stood out is him taking some bad angles on defense.

Exactly. He thinks he has more time and room and at this speed, he doesn't.

He does like to pinch quite a bit too. Strangely, these two things were the two biggest problems that the Grim Sneeper had as a freshman (and sometimes beyond).

 

[FiveHole12]

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Amazing that Pitt wasted a pick on him, another example of a relationship(dad)

You don't see any upside in Samuelsson?
I do, and I suppose Pitt might have too. The kid will be a very good one before he leaves BC.

 

[Hokydad]

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You don't see any upside in Samuelsson?
I do, and I suppose Pitt might have too. The kid will be a very good one before he leaves BC.

I dont want to beat a dead horse, but no I dont.
His dad played there, still close with their team
Talked to another scout today who said everytime he touches the puck he turns it over, and he was not just talking Beanpot. He said he was not even on their list and was shocked pitt took him
For someone like Steve Whitney to go undrafted vs that pick is a joke

 

[joegrav]

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I dont want to beat a dead horse, but no I dont.
His dad played there, still close with their team
Talked to another scout today who said everytime he touches the puck he turns it over, and he was not just talking Beanpot. He said he was not even on their list and was shocked pitt took him
For someone like Steve Whitney to go undrafted vs that pick is a joke

Please go away. Samuelsson has been one of the top D on the team all year and has tremendous upside. Any "scout" who says he turns the puck over every time he touches the puck is probably a scout for the Maple Leafs or Islanders.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Pre-draft, there was a wide range of views on him. He was the most interesting guy coming in to BC this year for that reason. One report said he was looking good and had a rise in stock. Another (Woodlief?) said he just didn't get it done and didn't do it for them.

So I'm not surprised some scouts had him on their list and some didn't. Not surprised it was Pitt that had him on the list. I'd put more weight in that pick than others not having him... they were probably well aware of the kid for a while and were watching closely. But who knows...

I think he has plenty to work with. Size, decent skills. He can bulk up some more. He's pretty strong but seems like he has plenty of room to grow in the area of strength. Skating isn't that bad. Passing isn't that bad generally. Shot doesn't get utilized much but I doubt it's a detriment to his game. That's something that can always be worked on. So yea, he has upside IMO. It never hurts to have a dad that knows how to play the game and he has instant input there.

 

[joegrav]

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He does like to pinch quite a bit too. Strangely, these two things were the two biggest problems that the Grim Sneeper had as a freshman (and sometimes beyond).

One thing that seems to happen to Sneep is that he wants to pinch in, but is hesitant about it and doesn't actually keep the puck in - but he's then out of position for a rush going the other way. This happened once on Monday.

 

[Hokydad]

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Please go away. Samuelsson has been one of the top D on the team all year and has tremendous upside. Any "scout" who says he turns the puck over every time he touches the puck is probably a scout for the Maple Leafs or Islanders.

You go away. The scout was also an ex BC all american with zero agenda.

This is a report I just saw on him, about exactly as I see. Without name etc, would not be at bc or drafted. many, many better to piock from in junior leagues. Most of whom would not have been talking about leaving BC for Pros summer before freshmen year

Talent Analysis
A very green, but reliable defensive-defensemen who is still developing. Samuelsson lacks the skill of most drafted defenders, however.

He gets himself into a good position, which makes him a big presence down low. Very conscious in his own end. Does a good job of getting stick in passing lanes and forcing turnovers, especially with a poke check. Should take the play to the opposition instead of waiting. Average skater who needs work to on improving his overall footwork, strength, and stride. Also needs to become more efficient moving the puck out of his own zone. Has a tendency to try and force the puck up ice. Generally stays glued on the back end in the offensive zone. Developing a hard shot from the backend. Needs to get quicker with his hands in all areas. Sees time on special teams.

Future

Samuelsson is a long shot for the NHL at this point. He is noticed for his size and name, but has a lot of development ahead of him.

 

[kdaddy]

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You go away. The scout was also an ex BC all american with zero agenda. You get lost

He isn't very bright is he. Oh and Tony and BCWH.. I put a challenge to you both on the UVM board, let's test your arrogance. You two made a statement and I challenge on you it, proceeds should I win to go to charity. Simple and easy.