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Big Ten Hockey Conference

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aparch said:
I thought the NCAA fixed that and no sub .500 team can be a TUC?

For being all "pro-BigTen," I can't see the NCAA taking away a rule that was enacted to stop the "BigTen" teams from doing that.
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No sub-500 team can enter the tournament. They can be a TUC. Minnesota was a TUC last year with an 18-19-2 record.
 
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Can enter the tournament as an at large bid team. One could still win the conf tourney and win the auto-bid
 
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Priceless said:
No sub-500 team can enter the tournament. They can be a TUC. Minnesota was a TUC last year with an 18-19-2 record.
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Correct. The TUC cliff is now the top 25 RPI ranked teams. And you can have a sub-.500 record with a great schedule and sneak into being a TUC.
 
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fangers said:
You keep using UND as your example of schools that won't be impacted - and you're right...and things shouldn't change for DU, Miami and Notre Dame as far as recruiting goes. But it will for all the remaining WCHA/CCHA schools and UAH...those are the schools that will face tougher recruiting battle if regular games not available against the current big10 schools in their respective conference...
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I think you are selling short how many Minnesota kids play for Minnesota teams. Schools like SCSU and UMD will be just fine because in general Minnesota kids don't play at Michigan, MSU or OSU right now and there is no reason to think they will want to play at PSU. If they stay home they can play near their parents for home and away games. SCSU has been to the NCAA's something like 7 out of the last 12 years. If they keep a good coaching staff that won't change.
 
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dggoddard said:
There are so many unknowns here, but one thing that was mentioned during the USCHO roundtable is that the AHA already wanted to break into two conferences to get an extra NCAA bid. That would tie up seven auto bids.

If I'm Ohio State, I schedule 12 cupcakes to try and get a winning record.
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a lot of questions stil need to be answered like how many games will the other conferences play. Will the big Ten do a scheduling alliance with the WCHA and CCHA to help out the other Michigan and Minneosta teams? They are going to want the WCHA and CCHA to go to 22 conference games so it is easier for them to schedule non conference games. 14 or 16 non conference games a year is a to to fill when all the other schools in college hockey have to fill their conference schedules first and could make filling a Big Ten's team's schedule hard.
 
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scsutommyboy said:
a lot of questions stil need to be answered like how many games will the other conferences play. Will the big Ten do a scheduling alliance with the WCHA and CCHA to help out the other Michigan and Minneosta teams? They are going to want the WCHA and CCHA to go to 22 conference games so it is easier for them to schedule non conference games. 14 or 16 non conference games a year is a to to fill when all the other schools in college hockey have to fill their conference schedules first and could make filling a Big Ten's team's schedule hard.
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They've presumably got three years to work this out.

Next up in less than a month is the Big Ten Presidents meeting where the BTHC is on the Agenda.

Just judging from all the negative reaction on USCHO, its possible the presidents say "Its not worth it."
 
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Preliminary looks at the PWR show that the Big Integer schools could schedule a cupcake NC schedule and do very well. But a win over a BTHC team would be worth quite a bit.

To test I have taken last year's results, removed all games that involve BTHC schools and simmed the results of a BT where everyone wins at home except Penn State who goes 0-20. In that scenario, the Big Ten teams end up 16-20 in the PWR. If they then play a cupcake NC schedule they all get invited (assuming they win).

For example, I gave Michigan a NC schedule of Tech, Clarkson, Bentley and Dartmouth. They also have a series with NMU (more on that in a moment). Assuming they win all of those games, they finish 4th in the PWR. NMU finishes 18th. If NMU wins one, they climb to 11th while Michigan falls to 7th. If they win both, NMU becomes a #2 seed and Michigan is on the bubble.

It looks like the BTHC teams have a tough decision to make. Schedule cupcakes and you better win every game.

Minnesota's position is tricky. They may want to schedule cupcakes, but they may get stuck with the smaller Minnesota schools with plenty of incentive to pull an upset. Will they be willing to schedule 2 (or 4) against ND in that case? What about Denver and CC? As a fan, you'd like to think they would but as a coach/AD you want those cupcakes to guarantee wins.
 
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Sterling Cooper said:
Seriously, put down the bong and think. Are you really so obtuse as to believe that a group of the most powerful university presidents in the country will give one whit about the goings on of this board in making a decision of long term consequence to their athletic departments and cash cow of a cable network?

Sorry, but to even briefly entertain that thought is to go full retard.
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Here I thought we made a difference on here.
 
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Sterling Cooper said:
This might be the most inane and ridiculous thing I've ever seen posted by you, which puts it high in the running for most ridiculous and inane worldwide.

Seriously, put down the bong and think. Are you really so obtuse as to believe that a group of the most powerful university presidents in the country will give one whit about the goings on of this board in making a decision of long term consequence to their athletic departments and cash cow of a cable network?

Sorry, but to even briefly entertain that thought is to go full retard.
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Of course, dg didn't exactly say they'd judge everything by what they'd read here. I read it as he was saying they'd look at the same things that are being discussed here, seeing that it's probably not beneficial to the conference itself...
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Of course, dg didn't exactly say they'd judge everything by what they'd read here. I read it as he was saying they'd look at the same things that are being discussed here, seeing that it's probably not beneficial to the conference itself...
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Don't stop him now, he's on a roll.:D

Obviously reading comprehension isn't his strong suit.
 
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dggoddard said:
Don't stop him now, he's on a roll.:D

Obviously reading comprehension isn't his strong suit.
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Reacting to a BTHC ... "Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
 
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Priceless said:
Preliminary looks at the PWR show that the Big Integer schools could schedule a cupcake NC schedule and do very well. But a win over a BTHC team would be worth quite a bit.

To test I have taken last year's results, removed all games that involve BTHC schools and simmed the results of a BT where everyone wins at home except Penn State who goes 0-20. In that scenario, the Big Ten teams end up 16-20 in the PWR. If they then play a cupcake NC schedule they all get invited (assuming they win).

For example, I gave Michigan a NC schedule of Tech, Clarkson, Bentley and Dartmouth. They also have a series with NMU (more on that in a moment). Assuming they win all of those games, they finish 4th in the PWR. NMU finishes 18th. If NMU wins one, they climb to 11th while Michigan falls to 7th. If they win both, NMU becomes a #2 seed and Michigan is on the bubble.

It looks like the BTHC teams have a tough decision to make. Schedule cupcakes and you better win every game.

Minnesota's position is tricky. They may want to schedule cupcakes, but they may get stuck with the smaller Minnesota schools with plenty of incentive to pull an upset. Will they be willing to schedule 2 (or 4) against ND in that case? What about Denver and CC? As a fan, you'd like to think they would but as a coach/AD you want those cupcakes to guarantee wins.
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???

was there a team that went 24-10-0 last year with a 10-10-0 conference record that missed the ncaa tourney??

i'd think in a vacuum that any team that did that would have no problems finishing in the top 10(+) pwr and get an at large bid.

(not that i don't appreciate you running the details..:p )
 
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mookie1995 said:
???

was there a team that went 24-10-0 last year with a 10-10-0 conference record that missed the ncaa tourney??

i'd think in a vacuum that any team that did that would have no problems finishing in the top 10(+) pwr and get an at large bid.

(not that i don't appreciate you running the details..:p )
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. Lake State was 5-1-2 against non-CCHA foes and didn't end up in the top 30 RPI. Conversely, Vermont went 6-1 non-conference and made the tournament. Both were sub-.500 in conference.
 
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Priceless said:
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Lake State was 5-1-2 against non-CCHA foes and didn't end up in the top 30 RPI. Conversely, Vermont went 6-1 non-conference and made the tournament. Both were sub-.500 in conference.
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you typed everyone (cept psu) won at home, so they would have been

uw 12-8-0
um 12-8-0
um 12-8-0
msu 12-8-0
tosu 12-8-0
psu 0-20-0

then you had them all winning their ooc games (cupcakes)

so all the bthc teams (cept psu) went 26-8-0 and they all made it.

i stated that was probably obvious, because even if a team was .500 in conference and went 14-0-0 ooc, they would be a shoe-in.

that was my (poorly stated) point. :D
 
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mookie1995 said:
you typed everyone (cept psu) won at home, so they would have been

uw 12-8-0
um 12-8-0
um 12-8-0
msu 12-8-0
tosu 12-8-0
psu 0-20-0

then you had them all winning their ooc games (cupcakes)

so all the bthc teams (cept psu) went 26-8-0 and they all made it.

i stated that was probably obvious, because even if a team was .500 in conference and went 14-0-0 ooc, they would be a shoe-in.

that was my (poorly stated) point. :D
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Tell that to Lake State :p

This just answers the question that has been posed about what PWR implications would be. If the Big 10+ teams go the cupcake route (as some fear), they can qualify but they better win those NC games. If they play a standard schedule then they have more margin for error.

Edit: LSSU could have gone 7-0-0 NC and they still wouldn't even qualify as a TUC.
 
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dggoddard said:
Just judging from all the negative reaction on USCHO, its possible the presidents say "Its not worth it."
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Pretty much no chance. The only school that won't want this is Minnesota...others either won't care MI or MSU or want it...pretty much everyone else.
 
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