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Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

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kingdobbs said:
My estimation is no.

Hockey East is in a pretty comfortable position as it is. Effectively, Hockey East's competition for "best league" just consolidated into one, the Big Whatever (and more importantly, it wasn't in their region at all, leaving them the unquestioned #1). Sure, the rump WCHA and CCHAs have good teams left, but I don't think that Hockey East need fear the rump leagues overtaking them.

So with that in mind, what does Notre Dame add? An improvement in Hockey East's national scope (though how much of an improvement is debatable), in exchange for a massive increase in travel budget (even if Notre Dame were to come along with a partner). I can easily see some in the low end of the league (Providence, UML, Merrimack, Northeastern and UMA) objecting, and they have enough votes in there to scuttle any potential addition to the league; I just can't see the gains from Notre Dame's entry convincing any of those teams enough to vote to marginalize themselves further.
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Great points. Also, I couldn't see Notre Dame putting themselves in the position of having to ask for something from BC.
 
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A good point was brought up on the other BTHC thread, which was why would Notre Dame want to leave the ECAC for another conference (in that example the WCHA). They've got an easy ride to the NCAA's if they stay CCHA as opposed to jumping to either the WCHA or Hockey East. In both those conferences too they really don't have any natural rivals. As an added bonus they're most likely the out of conference opponent of choice for the BTHC teams.

Beyond that as has been mentioned I can't see HE wanting them unless some sort of TV deal was driving the discussion but unless that happens I only see one reason for Notre Dame to jump and that's if they think the CCHA is in danger of losing their autobid if too many of the lower teams drop their programs.
 
Rover said:
A good point was brought up on the other BTHC thread, which was why would Notre Dame want to leave the ECAC for another conference (in that example the WCHA). They've got an easy ride to the NCAA's if they stay CCHA as opposed to jumping to either the WCHA or Hockey East. In both those conferences too they really don't have any natural rivals. As an added bonus they're most likely the out of conference opponent of choice for the BTHC teams.

Beyond that as has been mentioned I can't see HE wanting them unless some sort of TV deal was driving the discussion but unless that happens I only see one reason for Notre Dame to jump and that's if they think the CCHA is in danger of losing their autobid if too many of the lower teams drop their programs.
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That's what Air Force did. They are a good mid-level team in a cup cake conference, the AHA. AFA could have joined the WCHA or the CCHA, but they wanted to dominate and put themselves in a position to make the national tournament every year. Plus, they have Army as a natural rival in the AHA. So far that gamble has paid off.
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

I heard from the grapevine the Big Ten will not have a traditional schedule like it is today. This person believes the Big Ten games will be scattered through out the year. Also don't be suprised if we see non-traditional times and days. For example, look for the occasional Big Ten Hockey double headers on Saturday and Sunday nights and days. The majority if not all the games the Big Ten Network televises will be only member schools don't look for a UMD vs. UM or Wisconsin vs. UND on the Big Ten Network. For example, the Big Ten Network will televise all the conference games and Fox Sports North will likely televise all the non conference games. Supposely the network is thrilled with a new additional revenue potential especially the Gophers. It is going to be interesting.

Oh, the first choice for color commentary is Casey Hankinson he has the most talent. Currently his problem why he could not do it is he is a part time Anaheim scout and his primary job if I remember right is business real estate. He makes too much money for him to leave his current jobs for Gopher sports. If by chance he falls through Darby Hendrickson will be the next choice only if the Wild don't want him to be one of their assistant coaches. Finally, Kevin Gorg is the last and probably in my opinion the most likely candidate to be the full time color commentary or they may decide to have another open tryout.
 
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4four4 said:
The majority if not all the games the Big Ten Network televises will be only member schools don't look for a UMD vs. UM or Wisconsin vs. UND on the Big Ten Network. For example, the Big Ten Network will televise all the conference games and Fox Sports North will likely televise all the non conference games. Supposely the network is thrilled with a new additional revenue potential especially the Gophers. It is going to be interesting.
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This is more than a grapevine idea, I heard this same thing on a radio interview on 1070 out of Madison last year from a b10 official. He flat out said the b10 is only interested in televising hockey games between the member schools.
 
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Timothy A said:
This is more than a grapevine idea, I heard this same thing on a radio interview on 1070 out of Madison last year from a b10 official. He flat out said the b10 is only interested in televising hockey games between the member schools.
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Not surprising at all.
 
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The Big Ten is considering PAYING players 2,000-5,000 dollars per season. I believe this is in ALL sports and would have a HUGE impact on College Hockey.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
How does this not violate NCAA eligibility?
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Because it's a proposed change to NCAA rules.

I think everybody is misunderstanding what's going on here--the Big Ten is considering proposing this to the NCAA membership as a change in NCAA rules. Every article I see, based on the initial article on espn.com, seems to miss that nuance. The ESPN article just said, "the Big Ten is considering a proposal to..." There is no way the Big Ten can do this unilaterally, so it must be a rules proposal.

In the NCAA, either an NCAA committee, a school or an all-sport conference can propose changes to NCAA Bylaws, but most successful major changes are initiated by conferences.
 
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Alton said:
Because it's a proposed change to NCAA rules.

I think everybody is misunderstanding what's going on here--the Big Ten is considering proposing this to the NCAA membership as a change in NCAA rules. Every article I see, based on the initial article on espn.com, seems to miss that nuance. The ESPN article just said, "the Big Ten is considering a proposal to..." There is no way the Big Ten can do this unilaterally, so it must be a rules proposal.

In the NCAA, either an NCAA committee, a school or an all-sport conference can propose changes to NCAA Bylaws, but most successful major changes are initiated by conferences.
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Yeah, and thats where I see it not getting passed. There's not enough schools out there in the black from sports to pay the kids to just do sports without working something on campus. I think its far more likely that they'll get a raise in the limit of what the on campus jobs can pay athletes over the year I think. Thats a little easier pill to swallow.
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

Alton said:
Because it's a proposed change to NCAA rules.

I think everybody is misunderstanding what's going on here--the Big Ten is considering proposing this to the NCAA membership as a change in NCAA rules. Every article I see, based on the initial article on espn.com, seems to miss that nuance. The ESPN article just said, "the Big Ten is considering a proposal to..." There is no way the Big Ten can do this unilaterally, so it must be a rules proposal.

In the NCAA, either an NCAA committee, a school or an all-sport conference can propose changes to NCAA Bylaws, but most successful major changes are initiated by conferences.
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Sure the NCAA needs to change their rule to allow payment. But that does not mean the rule will change to "YOU MUST PAY". It will be "You can pay if you choose to as a conference."

So really it doesn't make much difference if the nuance is not mentioned.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Sure the NCAA needs to change their rule to allow payment. But that does not mean the rule will change to "YOU MUST PAY". It will be "You can pay if you choose to as a conference."

So really it doesn't make much difference if the nuance is not mentioned.
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It does, because the initial article has given many people the impression that the Big Ten schools might unilaterally start paying their players right now. That's not true--it must be permitted by the NCAA. Of course, any conference may have rules more stringent (but not less stringent) than the NCAA's. For example, the NCAA allows 18 scholarships in hockey. A conference may choose to have a lower limit, and a team may choose within the limits imposed by the NCAA and their conference(s) exactly how many scholarships it wishes to grant.

Obviously the decision on how much extra money each school will pay (assuming that this proposal is passed by the NCAA) will be up to the individual schools, within the limits imposed by their conferences and the NCAA.
 
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Just a random thought. In Basketball the ACC-Big Ten challenge is played every year. Why not the Big Ten-Hockey East challenge.
 
Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt III - Revenge of the Sith.

JF_Gophers said:
Sure the NCAA needs to change their rule to allow payment. But that does not mean the rule will change to "YOU MUST PAY". It will be "You can pay if you choose to as a conference."

So really it doesn't make much difference if the nuance is not mentioned.
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If the NCAA opts to change the rules to allow this paying of players, I want the rules amended to allow CHL kids to jump to college. And keep the one year "transfer sit out" just like current kids do when they switch schools.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Sure the NCAA needs to change their rule to allow payment. But that does not mean the rule will change to "YOU MUST PAY". It will be "You can pay if you choose to as a conference."

So really it doesn't make much difference if the nuance is not mentioned.
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The NCAA could also say it only applies to Football and Basketball.
 
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peanut said:
Just a random thought. In Basketball the ACC-Big Ten challenge is played every year. Why not the Big Ten-Hockey East challenge.
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A home series vs. Michigan for Lowell? Where do I sign up? (And that explains why that won't happen.)
 
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Patman said:
A home series vs. Michigan for Lowell? Where do I sign up? (And that explains why that won't happen.)
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No, but it would work with the WCHA and Hockey East.

If you took last years standings minus the big 10 teams:

North Dakota @ Boston College
New Hampshire @ Denver
Nebraska-Omaha @ Boston U
Merrimack @ Minnesota-Duluth
Colorado College @ Maine
Northeastern @ Alaska-Anchorage
St. Cloud State @ Vermont
Massachusetts @ Bemidji State
Minnesota State @ Providence
Massachusetts-Lowell @ Michigan Tech
 
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