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Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

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Shirtless Guy said:
Well since you're a fan of one of the remaining CCHA teams, do you think LSSU, NMU, WMU, FSU, BGSU can survive without the B1G school?
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For a time yes...and time is the most important thing at the moment. If Miami and Notre Dame stay...the CCHA would function and survive fine I believe.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Well since you're a fan of one of the remaining CCHA teams, do you think LSSU, NMU, WMU, FSU, BGSU can survive without the B1G school?
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Only if Miami and Notre Dame stay and become the "flagship" CCHA teams.



Gas prices are on the increase again, and most of these state schools (LSSU, BGSU, FSU, NMU) are using budget's that were set in place back in 2002 or 2003 and have not been able to adjust accordingly. Cutting the trip to UNO was a godsend to them. Staying in the CCHA also means that UAf pays for the (remaining) league teams to go to Alaska. The remaining seven teams get two extra "free" home non-conference games to schedule if they go to UAf on UAf's dime.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Well since you're a fan of one of the remaining CCHA teams, do you think LSSU, NMU, WMU, FSU, BGSU can survive without the B1G school?
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As I've stated before, the non B10 teams only host either Michigan or MSU once a season. Do people buy season tickets solely for that one weekend? I don't think so. From the WMU perspective, we're a pretty close fit geographically for M/MSU to play their token road game of the season.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
do you think LSSU, NMU, WMU, FSU, BGSU can survive without the B1G school?
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I have to think the revenue for those schools is minimal from OSU MICH MSU ---in the big picture.. do CCHA teams make any money from FSD? or the Joe? ticket revenue with clusters is maybe $20,000.... if programs can't absorb the loss of those 3 schools, then those programs have themselves to blame
 
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See you on flip side former ccha brothers. The ccha officials McInchack, Langseth, Sergott, Hill, and Hall can kiss my ***.
 
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wolverine318 said:
See you on flip side former ccha brothers. The ccha officials McInchack, Langseth, Sergott, Hill, and Hall can kiss my ***.
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Wait till they all apply for jobs with the Big10. :D


I know Hall also doubles as an AHL linesman. So you're not completely rid of him. ;)
 
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aparch said:
Only if Miami and Notre Dame stay and become the "flagship" CCHA teams.



Gas prices are on the increase again, and most of these state schools (LSSU, BGSU, FSU, NMU) are using budget's that were set in place back in 2002 or 2003 and have not been able to adjust accordingly. Cutting the trip to UNO was a godsend to them. Staying in the CCHA also means that UAf pays for the (remaining) league teams to go to Alaska. The remaining seven teams get two extra "free" home non-conference games to schedule if they go to UAf on UAf's dime.
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That is assuming UAF is still willing to pay for those teams to come up. You know with Michigan and Michigan State out of the picture they're gonna want to rethink those terms right?
 
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pinch said:
do CCHA teams make any money from FSD? or the Joe?
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No. Well, it's not WCHA money. Ticket prices for first and second rounds are set and collected by the CCHA, not local schools. CCHA also keeps most of what it gets at the Joe to pay for renting it that weekend/marketing/and the Ren Center Party. Little (if any; I was told none about four years ago *edit* well, the CCHA covers the teams cost to stay and play in Detroit)) goes back to the universities that are part of the CCHA.
pinch said:
ticket revenue with clusters is maybe $20,000.... if programs can't absorb the loss of those 3 schools, then those programs have themselves to blame
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Yes and no. I think most smaller schools (NMU especially) found it easy to market for Michigan / Michigan State. MSU with the "former NMU Coach Rick Comley" angle, and of course the "Perennial powerhouse Michigan," ... of course your marketing campaigns are going to push those two schools. At one point, NMU made Michigan and Michigan State a "premium" ticket, and threw in a FREE ticket to another CCHA opponent during the season (against Alaska, Omaha, or Bowling Green if I remember correctly).

There needs to be a push to change that thinking, and I hope that NMU (and other "small" schools who this directly effects) correctly gets the pieces in place to move forward with this. If a Bowling Green or NMU or Western decide to fold up, was it directly because of the Big10? Probably not...

...but it definitely hurts to be considered a major player who has beaten Big10 schools regularly in your conference and have that suddenly ripped away from you without your choosing.


Like I said earlier, the CCHA *SHOULD* be okay, as long as Notre Dame and Miami become the flagship programs. Because there is no way that Ferris/Western/Northern/any smaller school like that should be THE program of the CCHA. Not a knock against the small schools, but they don't have the marketing draw needed that Notre Dame and Miami can pull.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
That is assuming UAF is still willing to pay for those teams to come up. You know with Michigan and Michigan State out of the picture they're gonna want to rethink those terms right?
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Not sure the terms, but I definitely know that UAF was signed to much longer terms than UAA did for the WCHA. They were able to scale it back a few years ago, and UAF pays for 25 airline tickets to Alaska. The rest of the coaching staff or scratches (if they went which they usually didn't) now had to pay their way.
 
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aparch said:
Like I said earlier, the CCHA *SHOULD* be okay, as long as Notre Dame and Miami become the flagship programs. Because there is no way that Ferris/Western/Northern/any smaller school like that should be THE program of the CCHA. Not a knock against the small schools, but they don't have the marketing draw needed that Notre Dame and Miami can pull.
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Miami has marketing pull? Not sure if I buy that. Yes, it's become a great program, but the average person will not realize that. Going forward, the CCHA Universities need to continue recruiting and winning. It's that simple.
 
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Man do I wish I was a fan of a Hockey East team :(

They don't have to worry about losing rival schools and losing historical programs (yet?).

I will never cheer for a Big Tweleven team in hockey. Go CCHA and WCHA.
 
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aparch said:
Not sure the terms, but I definitely know that UAF was signed to much longer terms than UAA did for the WCHA. They were able to scale it back a few years ago, and UAF pays for 25 airline tickets to Alaska. The rest of the coaching staff or scratches (if they went which they usually didn't) now had to pay their way.
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That's just it, UAF is getting taken to the woodshed. AFAIK it's all from the influence of Michigan and Michigan State. UAA pays for half the number of tickets that UAF does, you don't think they won't renegotiate the terms with all of this happening?

If the CCHA teams insist on 25 tickets per, I think UAF is as good as gone. Heck they wanted out the last go around.
 
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Well this sucks.

as a WCHA guy i'd love to see Miami and ND join the WCHA, but as a college hockey fan, i don't even know where to start.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Well this sucks.

as a WCHA guy i'd love to see Miami and ND join the WCHA, but as a college hockey fan, i don't even know where to start.
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This Miami?? OXFORD, Ohio, Sept. 23, 2010 -- Miami University’s Strategic Task Force is requiring various departments around campus to reduce their costs, and in the eyes of the Athletic Department, hockey, one of the most prominent and profitable sports on campus, is no exception.

The staff of each sport at Miami has been asked to trim seven and a half percent off their operating budgets from last year. For the hockey team, this means finding a way to cut $18,784 out of their operational costs.

One of the main ways the team has managed to get within their new budget of $394,140 (down from $412,416 last year) is by using money in their restricted accounts, which includes all the money donated to a specific team
 
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An example BIG Ten schedule could look something like this

Game Michigan St. vs
1 Notre Dame
2 Notre Dame
3 Northern Mich
4 Northern Mich
5 Penn State
6 Penn State
7 Ohio St.
8 Ohio St.
9 Wisconsin
10 Wisconsin
11 Miami
12 Miami
13 Western Mich.
14 Western Mich.
15 Minnesota
16 Minnesota
17 Ferris St.
18 Ferris St.
19 Michigan
20 Michigan
21 Tournament
22 Tournament
23 Wisconsin
24 Wisconsin
25 Lake Superior
26 Lake Superior
27 Ohio St.
28 Ohio St.
29 Minnesota
30 Minnesota
31 Penn State
32 Penn State
33 Michigan
34 Michigan
 
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