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Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

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Per press release - Big Ten recommends sponsorship of hockey -
6 teams to begin play in <strike>2012/13</strike> 2013/14, 20-game schedules.

There :o
 
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Yep, you're exactly right. At least Minnesota didn't vote for this crap.

"The directors of athletics of Big Ten institutions which sponsor men's ice hockey unanimously announce their intention to recommend to the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors in June the establishment of men's ice hockey as an official conference sport for the 2013-14 academic year with participation by Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin. "

http://www.bigten.org/genrel/032111aab.html
 
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That is what is being discussed in terms of scheduling. Do you have any evidence to the contrary or are you just being cynical again?

Really? You honestly think other Big Ten teams are going to just pick up an incredibly expensive sport because there is a conference now? And you honestly think the Big Ten is going to give hand outs to the smaller schools? No way, no how. I don't have evidence, I have common sense.

"anything?":confused: It simply emphasizes the academic excellence of some of the best universities in the US into the recruiting equation, making the BTHC option that much more attractive to parents, advisors, and players

Do you honestly think that a blue chipper asks during his recruitment whether a school is a member of the AAU? The only time that might come up would be if a recruit is walking through Maroosh and asks what the hell the AAU banner is for.

I would classify UMD, SCSU and MSUM as secondary, not primary UMN rivalries. I suspect other interconference BTHC rivalries with UMN will also develop over time. Moreover, since we don't know which WCHA teams will be entering into BTHC scheduling for at least a couple years, you're a bit premature with your scheduling summary.:D

I completely disagree with UMD as a secondary rival. It might not be as malicious as the UW or UND but it's just as important to those I've been speaking to. They are part of the University of Minnesota system and they are a direct competitor for in-state recruits. There is a great rivalry that goes back decades. There is no way I'm going to develop a rivalry with MSU, OSU, or PSU as deep as those I've seen with the Minnesota schools. Geography, history, and competition are the three parts of a rivalry. Those schools have none of those qualities.

Trust me, plenty of athletes and fans on campus know about it. But then again I'm not interested in impressing you. My point was directed towards the statement where you stated the MN/UW rivalry has "Completely lost its lustre", which is not true. But you're obviously entrenched in your opinion beyond sound reasoning and I'm ok with that.:D

No, I'm speaking specifically with the UW-UMN hockey rivalry when I talk about the hatred waning. Most people would agree that the oldest of fans would classify UW as our primary rival while the younger generation considers UND to be our primary. If that's not evidence enough that the rivalry has grown weaker with time, I don't know what is.

Regarding the border battle cup, this is just like the DQ Cup from a few years ago. No one cared. Just like no one cares about the BB Cup. I never asked to be impressed and I'm not entirely sure where these shots came from so I won't address them.

Anyone reading this that's a fan of UW or UMN, do you care about the Border Battle Cup? Had you heard of it?

The rivalry between UND/UMN will most likely continue, but with different stakes and dynamics involved since it will no longer be a conference rivalry. It's basically incongruent to compare UND to Michigan in terms of rivalries. As I stated, the Minnesota/Michigan rivalry has not peaked with the same intensity even in football, which is where it really started, because Michigan has dominated. But I'm looking forward to it developing an edge in the BTHC.

Of course it will continue but with different dynamics. It will be just like the "rivalry" with Michigan that Minnesota hockey supposedly has. Sure I love beating Michigan, but nowhere near the joy I get from beating UND. I just don't see it because of the three qualities of a good rivalry I mentioned above. It has the history (although not so much since they bailed on the WCHA), it has the competition (sort of, since we haven't really played each other more than once a year for as long as I've been around), and it doesn't have the geography.
 
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Thank you Penn State and Barry Alvarez. May you rot in a Pakistani prison the rest of your lives.
 
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Most of the F5 (current) fans drive to the X. They make it an extended weekend, a daytrip, whatever. I can't see that for DU. That is what is making me hesitate on having that in the rotation. UAA would have to fly, given. CC could drive. The MN schools and UND would fly. MTU would fly. UNO I dunno, I'd guess fly (dunno the mileage)?

With the X, you have at least 3 schools that would fly (CO and AK). UNO would probably fly (again, dunno mileage on that). MTU/MN schools/UND would drive. The same goes with the REA (although UNO would definitely fly there).

And there's this thing called recruiting. Don't think the WCHA wants to get too far from the state of Minnesota.
 
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Thank you Penn State and Barry Alvarez. May you rot in a Pakistani prison the rest of your lives.

I'm not sure it is fair to blame PSU for this disaster. It's like blaming an 8 year old for setting the house on fire when the parents left matches and a gas can sitting in the living room.

IMHO, the ADs for the remaining WCHA schools should meet in a Denver airport bar, vote to form a new conference, and tell UW and UMN to go and pound sand and enjoy trying to fill a schedule for 2011-12 and 2012-13 without any conference games.
 
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I would classify UMD, SCSU and MSUM as secondary, not primary UMN rivalries. I suspect other interconference BTHC rivalries with UMN will also develop over time. Moreover, since we don't know which WCHA teams will be entering into BTHC scheduling for at least a couple years, you're a bit premature with your scheduling summary.:D

I think most fans in Minnesota would disagree with you. The way I would look at it:

UND = UMI (this is even questionable)
UMD/DU > MSU
SCSU/CC > OSU
Man/BSU/MTU > PSU

Saying nothing of the impact on those other Minnesota schools and their communities. Big Ten hockey is a net loser for for UMN and the state as a whole. And the only reason the Gophers are leaving is due to its larger conference affiliation...and not due to any love of BTHC.

WCHA Final 5 worked well without any Big Ten schools. Much nicer without Minnesota and Wisconsin.

I wouldn't be so sure that without MN and WI...that WCHA schools not named DU or UND could see losses in recruiting.
 
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I'm not sure it is fair to blame PSU for this disaster. It's like blaming an 8 year old for setting the house on fire when the parents left matches and a gas can sitting in the living room.

IMHO, the ADs for the remaining WCHA schools should meet in a Denver airport bar, vote to form a new conference, and tell UW and UMN to go and pound sand and enjoy trying to fill a schedule for 2011-12 and 2012-13 without any conference games.

That's not a bad idea.
 
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That's not a bad idea.

I'm torn on that. I want to keep playing those teams. I really, really do. So much that I'd give up playing Wisconsin to save them. But at the same time, I'd love to see them do this. Just completely screw over the Big Ten. It would be especially great if all the conferences did this.
 
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I'm not sure it is fair to blame PSU for this disaster. It's like blaming an 8 year old for setting the house on fire when the parents left matches and a gas can sitting in the living room.

IMHO, the ADs for the remaining WCHA schools should meet in a Denver airport bar, vote to form a new conference, and tell UW and UMN to go and pound sand and enjoy trying to fill a schedule for 2011-12 and 2012-13 without any conference games.

Really? Well, I suppose they could do that, and I think that the earliest they could be viable in the eyes of the NCAA would be 2013-14 (two years I believe that they schedule out, so 2011-12 and 2012-13 are pretty much set in concrete, but maybe only one season...) so you should tell MN that you don't want to play them anymore because they're being pressured by a majore conference? Crying that MN just has to play the in-state teams or they will die, but then let's take our ball and go home? So tell them both that the WCHA teams won't play them any more? Really? I really don't think that SCSU would want to never play the Gophers again because they made their fans cry. Besides, I really doubt that either team would have trouble filling their dance cards.

Five years from now, if everyone is still on this forum, I bet that we will all look back to this day and say that it all was a good thing for college hockey. Mark these words.
 
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"The directors of athletics of Big Ten institutions which sponsor men's ice hockey unanimously announce their intention to recommend to the Big Ten Council of Presidents/Chancellors in June the establishment of men's ice hockey as an official conference sport for the 2013-14 academic year with participation by Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin. "

http://www.bigten.org/genrel/032111aab.html
Let the negotiations, new conferences and double dealing begin.
 
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I'm torn on that. I want to keep playing those teams. I really, really do. So much that I'd give up playing Wisconsin to save them. But at the same time, I'd love to see them do this. Just completely screw over the Big Ten. It would be especially great if all the conferences did this.
That would be awesome if they all forfeited in the NCAA tournament too. I'll take my free championship!

According to Strib, WCHA is looking at an interlocking schedule with the B1G.
 
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I think most fans in Minnesota would disagree with you. The way I would look at it:

UND = UMI (this is even questionable)
UMD/DU > MSU
SCSU/CC > OSU
Man/BSU/MTU > PSU

Saying nothing of the impact on those other Minnesota schools and their communities. Big Ten hockey is a net loser for for UMN and the state as a whole. And the only reason the Gophers are leaving is due to its larger conference affiliation...and not due to any love of BTHC.

"Most fans"? So you conducted a survey? And disagree about what? What you wrote has very little to do with my original response. The comment was: SCSU, UMD and MSUM are secondary rivalries, not primary rivalries with UMN (i.e. UND and UW). This has been discussed ad infinitum on USCHO. You're free to disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Larger conference affiliation? I don't know what you're talking about. The BTHC will only be six teams. There are perks to being in the Big Ten, but the most attractive reasons for leaving are broader media coverage and $$$.
 
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That would be awesome if they all forfeited in the NCAA tournament too. I'll take my free championship!

According to Strib, WCHA is looking at an interlocking schedule with the B1G.

Because I was obviously proposing a realistic scenario ;) :rolleyes:
 
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"Most fans"? So you conducted a survey? And disagree about what? What you wrote has very little to do with my original response. The comment was: SCSU, UMD and MSUM are secondary rivalries, not primary rivalries with UMN (i.e. UND and UW). This has been discussed ad infinitum on USCHO. You're free to disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Larger conference affiliation? I don't know what you're talking about. The BTHC will only be six teams. There are perks to being in the Big Ten, but the most attractive reasons for leaving are broader media coverage and $$$.

Where does the extra money come from? Where is the broader media coverage? You think people are going to watch college hockey just because it's on the BTN?
 
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"Most fans"? So you conducted a survey? And disagree about what? What you wrote has very little to do with my original response. The comment was: SCSU, UMD and MSUM are secondary rivalries, not primary rivalries with UMN (i.e. UND and UW). This has been discussed ad infinitum on USCHO. You're free to disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Larger conference affiliation? I don't know what you're talking about. The BTHC will only be six teams. There are perks to being in the Big Ten, but the most attractive reasons for leaving are broader media coverage and $$$.

Oh, the comedy.

ROTFLMAO

NO ONE WATCHES HOCKEY ON TV. NO ONE. THE NHL CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO WATCH.
 
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Let the negotations, new conferences and double dealing begin.
Absolutely.

What I'm most interested in today is whether there will be any formal statements by Denver or North Dakota. I hope they are not unequivocal support for the WCHA. A breakaway conference needs to be explored. And when the casualties start to mount, don't blame the schools reacting to the BTHC, blame the schools that started it. It's everyone for themselves at this point.
 
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Really? Well, I suppose they could do that, and I think that the earliest they could be viable in the eyes of the NCAA would be 2013-14 (two years I believe that they schedule out, so 2011-12 and 2012-13 are pretty much set in concrete, but maybe only one season...) so you should tell MN that you don't want to play them anymore because they're being pressured by a majore conference? Crying that MN just has to play the in-state teams or they will die, but then let's take our ball and go home? So tell them both that the WCHA teams won't play them any more? Really? I really don't think that SCSU would want to never play the Gophers again because they made their fans cry. Besides, I really doubt that either team would have trouble filling their dance cards.

At worst they would lose the auto-bid for two years (which would most like not matter), but they could argue to the NCAA that it is still the same group of teams playing together, just under a different name.

The OOC schedules for those seasons are almost set, not many teams are going to have open dates, particularly when conference schedule is in full swing. I'm sure that UAH would love to have 8 more games to play, particularly against such recognizable names. The season ticket holders would be up in arms at UMN and UW. Not to mention the cost of losing all those home gates. At the very least, UW and UMN would be in a very uncomfortable spot.

Five years from now, if everyone is still on this forum, I bet that we will all look back to this day and say that it all was a good thing for college hockey. Mark these words.

No, it won't be. Today will be looked upon as a very black day for the history and tradition of college hockey. Mark these words.
 
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