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Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

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Question: If the two Alaska schools end up in one conference, do you get 4 exempted games (for 38 total) if you pull the short end of the stick one year and end up having to take a pair of road trips, or is it limited to two?
 
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This Miami?? OXFORD, Ohio, Sept. 23, 2010 -- Miami University’s Strategic Task Force is requiring various departments around campus to reduce their costs, and in the eyes of the Athletic Department, hockey, one of the most prominent and profitable sports on campus, is no exception.

The staff of each sport at Miami has been asked to trim seven and a half percent off their operating budgets from last year. For the hockey team, this means finding a way to cut $18,784 out of their operational costs.

One of the main ways the team has managed to get within their new budget of $394,140 (down from $412,416 last year) is by using money in their restricted accounts, which includes all the money donated to a specific team

there is a lot of work to be done as a whole now in college hockey. the WCHA and CCHA will need to find away to salvage something. Is it worth upping the budget a little at Miami to keep the revenue in a conference where it has potential to continue to be a star?

As fans, most people have a negative outlook for the years where the Big 10 has hockey..if only it weren't just all about the money. The Mavs have a hard enough time recruiting the way it is against the schools in the current WCHA, and now they're going to lose recruits because the WCHA won't be as "top notch" or highly touted as it once was. (Yes i understand this year both Wisky and UMN were average hockey teams, but historically they have been good.) So now Mankato can't even really use the pitch that, hey, "come play in the best conference in the country, the WCHA.)

It would be cool if the WCHA and CCHA teams all decided to keep Big 10 schools off their schedule, but then again, that's not good for the health of college hockey as a whole, so it's not a good plan.

This situation in general for hockey just sucks.
 
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Question: If the two Alaska schools end up in one conference, do you get 4 exempted games (for 38 total) if you pull the short end of the stick one year and end up having to take a pair of road trips, or is it limited to two?
As far as we know, yes you get all the games exempted.

It's been discussed before but there are ways to minimize the travel involved for schools.
 
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Well this sucks.

as a WCHA guy i'd love to see Miami and ND join the WCHA, but as a college hockey fan, i don't even know where to start.
I don't want them, I don't want to get back to 12...I prefer the conference schedule of an 8 or 10 team conference...more balanced.
 
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An example BIG Ten schedule could look something like this:

I hope, that UW can find a way to schedule AT LEAST 4, preferably 6 games against teams not currently in either the WCHA or CCHA.

If we play EXACTLY the same teams we did and all that changes is the conference tournament. I can't express the level of rage that I'm gonna have. I'm not pleased now, but that would completely set me off.
 
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I hope, that UW can find a way to schedule AT LEAST 4, preferably 6 games against teams not currently in either the WCHA or CCHA.

If we play EXACTLY the same teams we did and all that changes is the conference tournament. I can't express the level of rage that I'm gonna have. I'm not pleased now, but that would completely set me off.
So you want Huntsville, Niagara, Canisius instead of SCSU, MTU, UMD, MSUM?
 
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I hope, that UW can find a way to schedule AT LEAST 4, preferably 6 games against teams not currently in either the WCHA or CCHA.

If we play EXACTLY the same teams we did and all that changes is the conference tournament. I can't express the level of rage that I'm gonna have. I'm not pleased now, but that would completely set me off.

That schedule he posted looks even more insular than what we see today.
 
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A conference of UNO, ND, UND, DU, CC & Miami would have six NCAA Tournament teams and could have interlocking schedule arrangement with Hockey East. Just sayin'.
 
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I posted this on GPL and feel it's worth sharing here as well:


I really don't think that Illinois, Syracuse, or any other major conference school will add hockey. It's incredibly expensive.

The following institutions made money on it last year:
UAH
UAF
CC
Yale
Maine
BU
UML
Northeastern
LSSU
Michigan Tech
MSUM
U of M
UMD
SCSU
UNO
Clarkson
Colgate
Cornell
RIT
Union
UND
Bowling Green
Vermont

The rest broke even or were in the negative. Here are some surprises:
Notre Dame: -$1.9 million
Michigan: -$44,000
Mich State: -$429,000
UNH: -$594,000
OSU: -$2.5 million
Wisconsin: -$925,000

I think the smaller schools are riding the conference payouts to stay afloat. The bigger institutions in the red are more indicative of a problem with college hockey. Especially Wisconsin and Michigan. Among schools considered D-1 and D-II in football, the average operating expenses for men's hockey are near $1.6 million. This football distinction is important since it's generally the primary expenditure for men's sports. This means a women's hockey team will likely have to be added if they aren't going to cut somewhere. Average women's expenses are near $950,000.

If a school is going to add hockey, it's facing annual operating expenses of nearly $2.6 million. Not including the cost of constructing a new facility if it doesn't have one. This is a massive expense to take on. I don't see teams jumping at the opportunity when schools like Michigan and Wisconsin are losing money.

Source: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
 
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Where does the extra money come from? Where is the broader media coverage? You think people are going to watch college hockey just because it's on the BTN?

You have to understand how the BTN makes its money. It's not about ratings. Instead, the lion's share of BTN revenue comes from subscriber fees. That is, a portion of every single cable bill of every single household that has the BTN goes to that channel, whether they watch it or not. That could range from $.10 per subscriber per month in non-Big Ten regions, and around $.70 - $.80 per subscriber per month in the Big Ten states. When you're talking about 50 million or more households paying that much per month (once again, regardless of whether those households actually watch the channel), you're looking over a couple of hundred million dollars per year of revenue for the Big Ten... and that's before the channel sells a SINGLE commercial. It's pretty easy to see why the BTN is so important to the Big Ten schools.

So, this is how hockey plays into it. College hockey nationally draws low ratings, but there is fairly strong interest in the sport specifically in the states of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. Adding a full slate of hockey can justify the BTN to raise subscriber rates in those states. Even just a small increase in rates in only those states ($.05 to $.10 per subscriber per month) can yield a few million dollars more per year for the Big Ten for creating a hockey league, which simply wouldn't be possible in any other way. That's how a separate hockey league can make money fairly quickly for the conference.

It's also ironic that the fans from Minnesota appear to be main source of Big Ten fans that are vehemently opposed to the BTHC. Minnesota has arguably gained more financially from the BTN than ANY other Big Ten school - it's a traditional power in neither football nor basketball, so it's basically rode the coattails of the Penn States of the world to make more TV money than the vaunted Notre Dame NBC football contract. Yes, that's how much Minnesota (and every other Big Ten school) is making now due to the BTN. Minnesota has made untold amounts of money that it hasn't contributed to specifically because of Big Ten football (and with props to Penn State in particular as its choice to join the Big Ten instead of the Big East basically ensured that the Big Ten would be the most popular college football conference on the East Coast forever).

Minnesota's financial gain from Penn State over the past decade is absolutely obscene and as a result, there is not a single iota of sympathy whatsoever from the rest of the Big Ten for the Gophers losing any WCHA rivalries (especially when it's Penn State bringing a new hockey program into the fold). None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Minnesota's athletic department is making around 10 times the amount of TV money compared to schools like Boise State and 5 times the amount of TV money compared to even BCS schools like Syracuse and Pitt. The last people on Earth that should EVER complain about the Big Ten are Minnesota fans. They are rich beyond belief in a manner that about 100 other schools in Division I would kill for specifically because of the Big Ten and the BTN (not the WCHA). Don't bite the hand that feeds you (and feeds you unbelievably well).
 
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An example BIG Ten schedule could look something like this

This looks awfully close to what I assume Michigan's schedule will look like.
Only swap the six games against NMU, FSU, and LSSU for a pair of Hockey East schools that they can play in a weekend (ie: BC/BU, UNH/Maine, etc) (2 games) and then add in two low level AHA/EZAC schools that they can "host" in Ann Arbor on two different weekends (4 games).
 
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You have to understand how the BTN makes its money. It's not about ratings. Instead, the lion's share of BTN revenue comes from subscriber fees. That is, a portion of every single cable bill of every single household that has the BTN goes to that channel, whether they watch it or not. That could range from $.10 per subscriber per month in non-Big Ten regions, and around $.70 - $.80 per subscriber per month in the Big Ten states. When you're talking about 50 million or more households paying that much per month (once again, regardless of whether those households actually watch the channel), you're looking over a couple of hundred million dollars per year of revenue for the Big Ten... and that's before the channel sells a SINGLE commercial. It's pretty easy to see why the BTN is so important to the Big Ten schools.

So, this is how hockey plays into it. College hockey nationally draws low ratings, but there is fairly strong interest in the sport specifically in the states of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. Adding a full slate of hockey can justify the BTN to raise subscriber rates in those states. Even just a small increase in rates in only those states ($.05 to $.10 per subscriber per month) can yield a few million dollars more per year for the Big Ten for creating a hockey league, which simply wouldn't be possible in any other way. That's how a separate hockey league can make money fairly quickly for the conference.

It's also ironic that the fans from Minnesota appear to be main source of Big Ten fans that are vehemently opposed to the BTHC. Minnesota has arguably gained more financially from the BTN than ANY other Big Ten school - it's a traditional power in neither football nor basketball, so it's basically rode the coattails of the Penn States of the world to make more TV money than the vaunted Notre Dame NBC football contract. Yes, that's how much Minnesota (and every other Big Ten school) is making now due to the BTN. Minnesota has made untold amounts of money that it hasn't contributed to specifically because of Big Ten football (and with props to Penn State in particular as its choice to join the Big Ten instead of the Big East basically ensured that the Big Ten would be the most popular college football conference on the East Coast forever).

Minnesota's financial gain from Penn State over the past decade is absolutely obscene and as a result, there is not a single iota of sympathy whatsoever from the rest of the Big Ten for the Gophers losing any WCHA rivalries (especially when it's Penn State bringing a new hockey program into the fold). None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Minnesota's athletic department is making around 10 times the amount of TV money compared to schools like Boise State and 5 times the amount of TV money compared to even BCS schools like Syracuse and Pitt. The last people on Earth that should EVER complain about the Big Ten are Minnesota fans. They are rich beyond belief in a manner that about 100 other schools in Division I would kill for specifically because of the Big Ten and the BTN (not the WCHA). Don't bite the hand that feeds you (and feeds you unbelievably well).

Stick to football.
 
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So you want Huntsville, Niagara, Canisius instead of SCSU, MTU, UMD, MSUM?

I want to play Hockey East teams and ECAC teams. Instead of flying to play DU and/or CC, they can fly to Boston and play ANY two school located in the ECAC or Hockey East.

They have 2 "free" away series every year, I want one of them to be used to play AT teams who are not currently in the CCHA or WCHA.

If I lose the opportunity to go and experence the F5 every year and all I get is to see the B10 teams more and the same WCHA teams... That idea just makes my blood boil in rage and hate.
 
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Stick to football.

It ALWAYS comes back to football.

There is truth in much of what he says if you can get past the scolding tone.

Personally, I liked the tone. :p
 
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A further point as to why Illinois and Indiana are always talked about as possible future hockey schools: they're looking to either massively renovate current or build brand new basketball arenas, and they'd be looking to make them multipurpose facilities with icemaking capabilities. Is that as great of a fan experience as a 6,000 hockey-only facility? Of course not. However, Illinois and Indiana are looking to invest these large capital expenditures already and the high cost of a hockey facility can be vastly mitigated by the multipurpose arena route. That means Illinois and Indiana don't need to raise $90 million or so that came from Penn State's sugar daddy to create hockey programs. They only need to get their new and/or improved basketball arenas into place (which they REALLY want to do as both are basketball-focused schools). Sure, there are Title IX issues, but with the Big Ten schools generally making legit money from hockey, it may be very well worth the investment of adding a women's hockey team on top of a men's team.
 
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Frank, that's great. Now explain how a sport that gets lower ratings than re-runs of old college football games somehow increases the amount the BTN can command? They can and will demand whatever they want, because of football, and college hockey will cause no change as to whether that ends up being agreeable to a cable network. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Again, the average ratings for last year's NCAA regionals were 55,000 households. Or about .05 of a Nielsen point. Dogs turn on television channels for higher ratings than that.
 
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I want to play Hockey East teams and ECAC teams. Instead of flying to play DU and/or CC, they can fly to Boston and play ANY two school located in the ECAC or Hockey East.

They have 2 "free" away series every year, I want one of them to be used to play AT teams who are not currently in the CCHA or WCHA.

If I lose the opportunity to go and experence the F5 every year and all I get is to see the B10 teams more and the same WCHA teams... That idea just makes my blood boil in rage and hate.
You don't have to stop going to the F5 ;)
 
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It ALWAYS comes back to football.

There is truth in much of what he says if you can get past the scolding tone.

Personally, I liked the tone. :p

Like it all you want. He's completely ignoring the effects this is going to have on conference tournaments, local TV deals, ticket sales, etc. The BTHC while it may or may not be good for the 10% of remaining hockey teams, it absolutely hurts the smaller schools, thus it hurts the sport.
 
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Like it all you want. He's completely ignoring the effects this is going to have on conference tournaments, local TV deals, ticket sales, etc. The BTHC while it may or may not be good for the 10% of remaining hockey teams, it absolutely hurts the smaller schools, thus it hurts the sport.

The question asked I believe was how the BTHC adds revenue to the member schools. He explained it.
 
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A further point as to why Illinois and Indiana are always talked about as possible future hockey schools: they're looking to either massively renovate current or build brand new basketball arenas, and they'd be looking to make them multipurpose facilities with icemaking capabilities. Is that as great of a fan experience as a 6,000 hockey-only facility? Of course not. However, Illinois and Indiana are looking to invest these large capital expenditures already and the high cost of a hockey facility can be vastly mitigated by the multipurpose arena route. That means Illinois and Indiana don't need to raise $90 million or so that came from Penn State's sugar daddy to create hockey programs. They only need to get their new and/or improved basketball arenas into place (which they REALLY want to do as both are basketball-focused schools). Sure, there are Title IX issues, but with the Big Ten schools generally making legit money from hockey, it may be very well worth the investment of adding a women's hockey team on top of a men's team.

Where are these schools going to get $2.6 million in revenue to offset the operating expenses of having D1 hockey? The omnipotent BTN? Laughable, at best.
 
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