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Big Ten Conference Tournament

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mnstate0fhockey said:
That's why we have the BTHC!!!!!

Minnesota didn't want it. It's absolutely ridiculous to say they don't care that their hockey program is losing $2.5 million a year. Ridiculous.
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Exactly!!!! The BTHC makes Minnesota go to OSU to play them. OSU makes more money when they play B1G opponents than when they play Gliac or even MAC schools. Now show me another B1G sport where the tourney is always at one site?
 
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Wol4ine said:
Exactly!!!! The BTHC makes Minnesota go to OSU to play them. OSU makes more money when they play B1G opponents than when they play Gliac or even MAC schools. Now show me another B1G sport where the tourney is always at one site?
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You can't compare sports when talking hockey. It's like Godwin's Law Of Sports. Once you bring up a non-super-regional sport comparison, you lose.
 
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Wol4ine said:
Exactly!!!! The BTHC makes Minnesota go to OSU to play them. OSU makes more money when they play B1G opponents than when they play Gliac or even MAC schools. Now show me another B1G sport where the tourney is always at one site?
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Show me another sport that has the potential to make $ for their respective schools that has as regionalized fanbases as college hockey. There are lots of college football fans in Indiana, no matter how terrible the Hoosiers/Boilers/Irish are. There are 14 college hockey fans in Indiana; 7 Irish fans, and 7 drunks at the bar who think they're actually watching basketball on television on Friday/Saturday nights. You put the Big Ten tournament in Indianapolis for hockey, and no one shows up. You put it at the X or JLA, and you get more fans. More fans = more $ for OSU to support its 36 intercollegiate sports (or hire a new assistant's assistant weight coach for football).
 
Wol4ine said:
Exactly!!!! The BTHC makes Minnesota go to OSU to play them. OSU makes more money when they play B1G opponents than when they play Gliac or even MAC schools. Now show me another B1G sport where the tourney is always at one site?
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Who said it will only be at one site? I said it will probably never be held in Illinois (at least without a local team competing), Ohio, or Pennsylvania, or Indiana.

Name me another major college sport that has as niche a following as hockey? Again, apples-to-oranges.

I think they'll try rotating between Detroit and St Paul, then realize what I think they already know, that they can make much more money in St Paul. Then you won't see it move for a long time.
 
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The whole purpose of starting the BTHC was to maximize revenues, and this tournament is a big cash cow. If you are suggesting they don't do everything in their power to maximize the revenue they get from this tournament, then I don't know why we started this God forsaken conference in the first place. And I'm sure as Hell not happy that you're suggesting we significantly hurt our program's bottom line by holding a tournament that we can and have hosted very successfully in locations where it is almost destined to fail.
 
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I have to admit, this is funny. Usually I'm lurking in the WCHA threads during the Minnesota is the State of Hockey arguments. How about wrestling? This year the championship is at Purdue. Wouldn't they always get a better turnout at Iowa?
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
The whole purpose of starting the BTHC was to maximize revenues, and this tournament is a big cash cow. If you are suggesting they don't do everything in their power to maximize the revenue they get from this tournament, then I don't know why we started this God forsaken conference in the first place. And I'm sure as Hell not happy that your suggesting we significantly hurt our program's bottom line by holding a tournament that we can and have hosted very successfully in locations where it is almost destined to fail.
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Well here is where the misinformation lies. The tournament is a big cash cow for the B1G. Not because of ticket sales though. It's through the BTN where all the money is generated. This is why Minnesota was dragged kicking and screaming from the WCHA. They didn't want to give up all that WCHA money for that paltry B1G money.

Furthermore, I remember this was addressed ad nauseum prior to the BTHC, but Minnesota's bottom line is lifted much more significantly once the Bowl season revenue is divvied up.
 
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Why is the Xcel Energy the best place to have a college hockey conference tourney? Simple, Xcel is the first choice for all three western college hockey conferences final championship games. No other arena has that distinction. (c) Simple Math
 
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Wol4ine said:
Well here is where the misinformation lies. The tournament is a big cash cow for the B1G. Not because of ticket sales though. It's through the BTN where all the money is generated. This is why Minnesota was dragged kicking and screaming from the WCHA. They didn't want to give up all that WCHA money for that paltry B1G money.
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This I can agree with. I know Ohio State doesn't jump into anything unless they see a potential profit from it - the bastar*ds, I liked things as they were.
 
Wol4ine said:
Well here is where the misinformation lies. The tournament is a big cash cow for the B1G. Not because of ticket sales though. It's through the BTN where all the money is generated. This is why Minnesota was dragged kicking and screaming from the WCHA. They didn't want to give up all that WCHA money for that paltry B1G money.
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Haha...That's part of it, but you're a fool if you don't think 90,000 tickets at $40 a piece, plus luxury boxes, plus concessions, plus merchandise is a major revenue source.
 
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Wol4ine said:
Now show me another B1G sport where the tourney is always at one site?
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At present is more than one site scheduled to host the B1G football championship?

Wol4ine said:
Furthermore, I remember this was addressed ad nauseum prior to the BTHC, but Minnesota's bottom line is lifted much more significantly once the Bowl season revenue is divvied up.
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Every program's revenues increase after the bowl season.

And people think Gophers fans are arrogant/myopic.
 
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Wol4ine said:
Well here is where the misinformation lies. The tournament is a big cash cow for the B1G. Not because of ticket sales though. It's through the BTN where all the money is generated. This is why Minnesota was dragged kicking and screaming from the WCHA. They didn't want to give up all that WCHA money for that paltry B1G money.
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Safe to assume you're saying MN had something to gain from joining the Big? I have my doubts. I think its a Big "I'll scratch your back you scratch mine, in relation to the football program (MN being the least profitable in that sport). The other programs will ofcourse benifit from the television contracts and revenue sharing in the BTHC, I doubt the Gopher Hockey program makes a dollar more than what they're making in the WCHA.
 
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"Heppel declined to identify the neutral sites to be targeted, but multiple sources with knowledge of the discussion Monday confirmed the Big Ten will initially look to secure a rotation of facilities between Joe Louis Arena in Detroit and the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minn."

Read more: http://host.madison.com/sports/coll...le_238fcb4e-4ecf-11e1-8590-001871e3ce6c.html#

About what I expected. A rotation between St Paul and Detroit to start, then they'll probably eventually settle on which venue brings in the most revenue.
 
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No, I'm saying they already have 'gained' by being in the B1G. Now the B1G is saying, We want to show some Gopher hockey games on tBTN in order to increase subscriptions and advertising. Now would the Gophers be better off leaving the B1G so they can join the NCHC?
 
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Wol4ine said:
No, I'm saying they already have 'gained' by being in the B1G. Now the B1G is saying, We want to show some Gopher hockey games on tBTN in order to increase subscriptions and advertising. Now would the Gophers be better off leaving the B1G so they can join the NCHC?
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No. They'd be best if they stayed in the WCHA, and a plus if UND/DU didn't run and form their conference. UND has every home game on tv. MN has most (90% is a guesstimate) or better, on tv. Maximum exposure, unless you get a national contract.
 
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Wol4ine said:
No, I'm saying they already have 'gained' by being in the B1G. Now the B1G is saying, We want to show some Gopher hockey games on tBTN in order to increase subscriptions and advertising. Now would the Gophers be better off leaving the B1G so they can join the NCHC?
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Sounds like we're on the same page.

The NCHC has nothing to do with it, the Gophs, aside from tickets, tournaments etc draw was the mega FSN contract. However, if that were to happen and FSN came along the Gophs HOCKEY (not Football, Baseball etc) would either remain the same or gain.

Condensed version: I doubt the Gophs Hockey program make any more $ joining the Big, i'd be more inclined to say they'll make less. We'll have to revisit this in a couple years and see how wrong we all are.
 
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I could be wrong, but weren't the CCHA playoffs in Joe Louis last year? I watched the Notre Dame/Miami game and there was NO ONE in the arena. When the Gophers aren't in the F5, the arena is still always at least half full and sometimes that is for a game like Denver/UMD. There is no way Detroit is a better site for this tourney, but if they want to put in a bid, have at it.
 
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