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Big Ten Conference Tournament

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SCSU Euro said:
What in the Sam Hill does your career have to do with knowing the NHL?
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If you cant figure it out theres not much I can do to further explain it. I can try and slow down if ypu'd like? Perhaps draw it on a chalk board? Would that blow your hair back?
 
ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
The largest arena in the geographical footprint will always stand a chance to host. All the B1G needs to consider the United Center is a passing belief that they can get the demand through fans that either (a) live in the area or (b) are willing to travel for their schools. Chicago has an abundance of (a) and the Big Ten is well known for the other.
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I think you're really over selling the demand for college hockey in the Chicago area. If your statement were true, it'd be a no-brainer and we'd be talking about what it will be like to have the tournament in Chicago right now. The fact that they are already in negotiations to put the tourney in the Western-most BTHC market tells you all you need to know.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
I think you're really over selling the demand for college hockey in the Chicago area. If your statement were true, it'd be a no-brainer and we'd be talking about what it will be like to have the tournament in Chicago right now. The fact that they are already in negotiations to put the tourney in the Western-most BTHC market tells you all you need to know.
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the X on paper, is the best option, might as well have it there to see how it does do it can be compared to where ever else they have it.
 
Almington said:
They are NOT going to sell out the X (or JLA or any non-campus NHL sized sites), even the WCHA currently doesn't sell out the X unless it is a UMN-UND championship game and I don't believe that the CCHA has ever sold out JLA for their tournament.
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You don't think a Michigan vs Minnesota, Wisconsin vs Minnesota, or Michigan vs Wisconsin championship would sell out? I do. In St Paul or Detroit, not Chicago or Pittsburgh.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
the X on paper, is the best option, might as well have it there to see how it does do it can be compared to where ever else they have it.
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Having never been to the X, what do they have in regards to hotels, bars, resturants, ect. within an easy walk?
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
You don't think a Michigan vs Minnesota, Wisconsin vs Minnesota, or Michigan vs Wisconsin championship would sell out? I do. In St Paul or Detroit, not Chicago or Pittsburgh.
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No, if UND-MN doesn't regularly sell out with 5-7k UND fans, I fail to see how replacing UND with a school with a smaller local fanbase is going to increase tickets sales.

in St. Paul UMN-UW might sell out, UMN-anyone will sell 17.5 tickets for a champ game, otherwise 15k or so

in Detroit UMI-MSU might sell out, UMI-anyone or MSU-anyone would hit 17k, otherwise 14k or so

It's REALLY going to come down to having the local draw make the champ game.
 
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Hockeybuckeye said:
Having never been to the X, what do they have in regards to hotels, bars, resturants, ect. within an easy walk?
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As far as MN goes I think St Paul has great resturaunts compared to MPLS (Im bias and enjoy family resturaunts). Theres plenty of good hotels in DT St Paul, 1 right across the street from the X. The X is a great venue. I've never been to JLA, but have seen it on TV and the place looks nice.
 
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Almington said:
No, if UND-MN doesn't regularly sell out with 5-7k UND fans, I fail to see how replacing UND with a school with a smaller local fanbase is going to increase tickets sales.

in St. Paul UMN-UW might sell out, UMN-anyone will sell 17.5 tickets for a champ game, otherwise 15k or so

in Detroit UMI-MSU might sell out, UMI-anyone or MSU-anyone would hit 17k, otherwise 14k or so

It's REALLY going to come down to having the local draw make the champ game.
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How can you say that when the CCHA tourney doesn't sell out as it is? (from what i've heard, I could do some digging to confirm or deny)
 
Almington said:
No, if UND-MN doesn't regularly sell out with 5-7k UND fans, I fail to see how replacing UND with a school with a smaller local fanbase is going to increase tickets sales.

in St. Paul UMN-UW might sell out, UMN-anyone will sell 17.5 tickets for a champ game, otherwise 15k or so

in Detroit UMI-MSU might sell out, UMI-anyone or MSU-anyone would hit 17k, otherwise 14k or so

It's REALLY going to come down to having the local draw make the champ game.
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I think those matchups have the chance to sellout, but your numbers sound pretty realistic for regular expectations. In Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc... I think they would struggle to sell 15 for championship games consistently. Probably closer to the 10-12.5 range. And they would have to charge less to get the casual local fans to attend IMO.
 
JDUBBS1280 said:
If you cant figure it out theres not much I can do to further explain it. I can try and slow down if ypu'd like? Perhaps draw it on a chalk board? Would that blow your hair back?
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I don't know you... You could be an NHL scout for all I know. So maybe you do know the NHL... But saying you do bc you played hs hockey is nowhere near a valid point.
 
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If anyone thinks that these schools (especially Ohio State and soon to be Penn State) are interested in anything other than maximizing the profit of this tournament and getting their hockey programs out of the red, you are fooling yourselves.
 
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I think the Minnesota folks are forgetting 2 important factors:
1) This isn't the WCHA. Minnesota isn't the be all- end all in the B1G. There is no way UM or MSU concedes home ice advantage for every tourney. I really doubt that OSU or PSU would do that either.
2) You have a grasp that hosting the tourney in St Paul would generate more revenue than any other venue. I agree. But do you have any idea how much money UM, OSU and PSU make during football season? Comparing BTHC tourney money to football money is rotten apples to oranges. If OSU can draw 8,000 for a regular season game vs Michigan, they should draw that for the tourney. UM and MSU would send another 8,000 combined. I can't believe OSU would pass on their chance to host the tourney. The revenue lost by having the tourney in Columbus vs St Paul is negligible.

In the B1G, Minnesota gets one vote, and it counts only as much as the other schools votes count.
 
Wol4ine said:
I think the Minnesota folks are forgetting 2 important factors:
1) This isn't the WCHA. Minnesota isn't the be all- end all in the B1G. There is no way UM or MSU concedes home ice advantage for every tourney. I really doubt that OSU or PSU would do that either.
2) You have a grasp that hosting the tourney in St Paul would generate more revenue than any other venue. I agree. But do you have any idea how much money UM, OSU and PSU make during football season? Comparing BTHC tourney money to football money is rotten apples to oranges. If OSU can draw 8,000 for a regular season game vs Michigan, they should draw that for the tourney. UM and MSU would send another 8,000 combined. I can't believe OSU would pass on their chance to host the tourney. The revenue lost by having the tourney in Columbus vs St Paul is negligible.

In the B1G, Minnesota gets one vote, and it counts only as much as the other schools votes count.
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If you think these schools care about anything other than their bottom line, I think you're fooling yourself. If the X gives them the most lucrative revenue stream, they will ride that as long as it lasts.

And the only thing football has to do with this is every dollar their hockey programs lose is a dollar they can't spend on football or elsewhere. You're right, Minnesota gets one vote. But I can assure you more programs than Minnesota want this tournament at the X.
 
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OK, I'll bite. Suppose the X hosted and sold 20,000 tix at $50 for all 3 nights. That's $3,000,000. That's barely enough to pay for OSU, and that's before you split it 6 ways. If OSU really cared about their hockey program losing money, why not just cut the program? According to your numbers they have never finished in the black. I can also tell you that at Michigan, Football, BBall and hockey are the only sports that finish in the black. Why not cut the other programs? Exactly how much more revenue are you talking about? Suppose tJLA only sells 10,000 for three nights. How much more money would be had by holding it in St Paul? Not enough to concede home ice. Do you think Penn St Hockey program needs moneymore than it needs exposure?

tB1G will rotate the site and any of the 6 schools will get to host as long as its at a NHL size arena and its more than half full.
 
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Almington said:
They are NOT going to sell out the X (or JLA or any non-campus NHL sized sites), even the WCHA currently doesn't sell out the X unless it is a UMN-UND championship game and I don't believe that the CCHA has ever sold out JLA for their tournament.
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I think the largest crowd was a SCSU/ Minnesota game. Of course that is because around 7K UND fans always buy the package.
 
Wol4ine said:
OK, I'll bite. Suppose the X hosted and sold 20,000 tix at $50 for all 3 nights. That's $3,000,000. That's barely enough to pay for OSU, and that's before you split it 6 ways. If OSU really cared about their hockey program losing money, why not just cut the program? According to your numbers they have never finished in the black. I can also tell you that at Michigan, Football, BBall and hockey are the only sports that finish in the black. Why not cut the other programs? Exactly how much more revenue are you talking about? Suppose tJLA only sells 10,000 for three nights. How much more money would be had by holding it in St Paul? Not enough to concede home ice. Do you think Penn St Hockey program needs moneymore than it needs exposure?

tB1G will rotate the site and any of the 6 schools will get to host as long as its at a NHL size arena and its more than half full.
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The record for tickets sold for WCHA Final Five is just shy of 90,000 I believe. Throw in concessions revenue and luxury box revenue and we are talking a lot of money. And every little bit of revenue matters.
 
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Wol4ine said:
OK, I'll bite. Suppose the X hosted and sold 20,000 tix at $50 for all 3 nights. That's $3,000,000. That's barely enough to pay for OSU, and that's before you split it 6 ways. If OSU really cared about their hockey program losing money, why not just cut the program? According to your numbers they have never finished in the black. I can also tell you that at Michigan, Football, BBall and hockey are the only sports that finish in the black. Why not cut the other programs? Exactly how much more revenue are you talking about? Suppose tJLA only sells 10,000 for three nights. How much more money would be had by holding it in St Paul? Not enough to concede home ice. Do you think Penn St Hockey program needs moneymore than it needs exposure?

tB1G will rotate the site and any of the 6 schools will get to host as long as its at a NHL size arena and its more than half full.
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I have one question for you. Why is the Big Ten basketball tourney in Indinapolis every year if it is not about money? That would sell out any where they put it and they don't move. Is it because they guarantee the most money? If so I would think the Xcel would guarnatee the most money when it comes to the hockey tourney. If not why is it there?
 
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scsutommyboy said:
I have one question for you. Why is the Big Ten basketball tourney in Indinapolis every year if it is not about money? That would sell out any where they put it and they don't move. Is it because they guarantee the most money? If so I would think the Xcel would guarnatee the most money when it comes to the hockey tourney. If not why is it there?
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Because it isn't? It's been held in Chicago quite a few times at the United Center too.

But, that said, it is all about the $. Oh, and IU has by far the best basketball fan base in the Big Ten. :D
 
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