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Big Ten Conference Tournament

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The only problem with Jupiter's idea is when one or both if the conferences want to leave it at the one that makes more money, because it would probably be St. Paul for both.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Since when is Northwestern (Evanston, IL) not in the B1G? Putting the tournament in Chicago is keeping the money in the B1G, so stop saying it isn't.

St. Paul is still the best place to host it, IMHO. Followed by Detroit.

Jup has the best idea so far...
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When Northwestern joins the BIG Hockey program great, until then f-em. And i'll say that again and again.
 
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state of hockey said:
The only problem with Jupiter's idea is when one or both if the conferences want to leave it at the one that makes more money, because it would probably be St. Paul for both.
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I know it's a pipe dream, but...

Thursday: NCHC semis
Friday: B1G semis
Saturday: NCHC final (afternoon), B1G final (primetime)
 
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Bakunin said:
Did you even bother reading what was said? No? Let me repeat it for you: the issue wasn't the number of regionals Michigan hosted at Yost - it was the fact that Michigan fans defended it on the grounds of other sites having the opportunity to outbid them and that they failed to do so. Now apparently the shoe is on the other foot, and some Michigan fans are upset about it. Well, again - if the argument about competitive bidding held water in 2002 and 2003 and whatever other year Yost had it, then it certainly holds water for St. Paul hosting the B1G (side point: the X isn't Minnesota's home rink, so let's stop pretending that it is despite its geographic proximity).
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I think you've been around long enough to know that isn't so. I don't recall having to 'defend' yost hosting a regional until 2002 when Denver got upset. I do recall the NCAA wishing more schools would bid at all to host. It wasn't that other schools failed to 'outbid' UM, no one else even put in a bid. In 2003 the NCAA needed 2 bids, Mariucci and Yost were selected. I don't think anyone else bid for those years either. The only Michigan fan I see upset by this is UMBand really. There is no mention that this will be a permanent site, and I doubt it will be. Even if PSU doesn't win a game, they will need to host the tourney to promote their program at some time. My question is, if the BTHC has their tourney in St Paul, where will the WCHA hold theirs? Green Bay? Detroit?

Let's also stop pretending that home advantage only occurs at the home rink. Home ice advantage depends on the number of home fans compared with the number of opposing fans. If 18,0000 gopher fans show up at the X, compared with 2,000 wolverine fans there, the gophers have the advantage.
 
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As usual this is all about locking up the Xcel to keep out the NCHC from the Big Ten's backyard. The Big Ten will never move from the Xcel for this reason alone.

I'm not complaining because if the rotate the NCHC Tourney between Grand Forks & Pepsi Center, I think it could work.

Despite only having 6,200 seats, Denver has more season ticket holders than you would think. Almost all of them are either Friday (skiers, younger) or Saturday (families, older). Perhaps 8,000-10,000.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
I just don't think (from a revenue standpoint) they are even looking at anywhere but St Paul and Detroit.
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All of the programs deserve an opportunity to promote their programs and reward their fans by hosting a "local" conference tournament.

JDUBBS1280 said:
Chicago is barely a hockey town, when the Hawks are winning sure. But no way would they draw a larger audience for College Hockey, why would it? WI in general is more of a hockey state than Illinois and much closer to MN (where a large number would travel to), MI folk would travel to Mil as well..

I just dont see the logic in Chicago at all, and i'd be very anti Chicago, and that has nothing to do with the drive, I just wouldn't want to spend a dime in that city when it comes to College Hockey.
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Southeast WI isn't exactly known as a hockey hotbed. I see Milwaukee as being a big draw if UW is playing well and a giant bust if they are not, I see Chicago being a good draw if UW is winning and an easy enough trip for all the schools that it wouldn't be a disaster if UW was having a down year.
Because Chicago is a natural separator at the tip of Lake Michigan between UMN & UW to the west and UMI, MSU, OSU, and PSU to the East.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
When Northwestern joins the BIG Hockey program great, until then f-em. And i'll say that again and again.
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Chicago has the largest number of Big Ten alumni of any city in the world. Acting like it's not a "Big Ten city" because Northwestern, who is about 8th in their own market behind Notre Dame and 6 other Big Ten schools doesn't have a hockey program is an absurdity.
 
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bronconick said:
Chicago has the largest number of Big Ten alumni of any city in the world. Acting like it's not a "Big Ten city" because Northwestern, who is about 8th in their own market behind Notre Dame and 6 other Big Ten schools doesn't have a hockey program is an absurdity.
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I really couldn't care less about football and I dont think it a surprise Chicago has no D1 Hockey program, an absurdity maybe, but not a surprise. I lived just outside Chicago during the time when the Hawks had the lowest attendance in the NHL. All my friends were Bears fans, thru thick and thin they attended every home Bears game. I'd ask them if they were Hawks fans and all of them said yes, I'd ask them when was the last time they went to a game, most replied "never been", so when it comes to COLLEGE Hockey, I have serious doubts Chicago would draw. And personally I dont think that city deserves a dime of any Big 10 Hockey revenue.

St Paul, Michigan, then anywhere else a Big 10 Hockey program is. Then Chicago (translated-never).
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Since when is Northwestern (Evanston, IL) not in the B1G? Putting the tournament in Chicago is keeping the money in the B1G, so stop saying it isn't.

St. Paul is still the best place to host it, IMHO. Followed by Detroit.

Jup has the best idea so far...
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I don't understand how having it in Chi keeps the money in the B1G and how NW correlates into this when yes they are a B1G school but no member hockey program?
 
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You apparently know squat about the NHL, given that your Chicago friends likely didn't follow the Hawks until recently because their owner made Norm Green look like an upstanding member of the hockey community. While you were just outside Chicago, perhaps you noticed that the NHL team was never listed in the TV Guide?
 
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Hockeybuckeye said:
I don't understand how having it in Chi keeps the money in the B1G and how NW correlates into this when yes they are a B1G school but no member hockey program?
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There is no such thing as the Big Ten Hockey Conference, its the Big Ten Conference. There are only 6 teams in the conference that sponsor hockey. Chicago is part of the Big Ten Footprint, it is part of the big ten conference territory.
 
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Hockeybuckeye said:
I don't understand how having it in Chi keeps the money in the B1G and how NW correlates into this when yes they are a B1G school but no member hockey program?
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The community of the programs. ie hotels, bars, resturaunts etc.

I'm fairly certain it would never be in Chicago anyway so the argument is moot.
 
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bronconick said:
You apparently know squat about the NHL, given that your Chicago friends likely didn't follow the Hawks until recently because their owner made Norm Green look like an upstanding member of the hockey community. While you were just outside Chicago, perhaps you noticed that the NHL team was never listed in the TV Guide?
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Well lets see, played HS Hockey for SSP and WSP juniors in the 80's. Season ticket holder with the Gophs since the 70's, NS's and currently Wild. So maybe I do know a thing or two about the NHL.

And please spare me with the excuses, the Hawks went from dead last in attendance (right along with the Pens) and shot right to the top of the charts when they started winning. If poor management was a viable excuse those same Bears fans (all of the ones I knew) shouldn't be spouting off to Vike fans right? Thats 40 yrs of crappy management.

You're either a loyal fanbase or not, and I place the Hawks fans right there with Pens fans. And all you have are excuses to say you're "different" pfffft
 
Wol4ine said:
I think you've been around long enough to know that isn't so. I don't recall having to 'defend' yost hosting a regional until 2002 when Denver got upset. I do recall the NCAA wishing more schools would bid at all to host. It wasn't that other schools failed to 'outbid' UM, no one else even put in a bid. In 2003 the NCAA needed 2 bids, Mariucci and Yost were selected. I don't think anyone else bid for those years either. The only Michigan fan I see upset by this is UMBand really. There is no mention that this will be a permanent site, and I doubt it will be. Even if PSU doesn't win a game, they will need to host the tourney to promote their program at some time. My question is, if the BTHC has their tourney in St Paul, where will the WCHA hold theirs? Green Bay? Detroit?

Let's also stop pretending that home advantage only occurs at the home rink. Home ice advantage depends on the number of home fans compared with the number of opposing fans. If 18,0000 gopher fans show up at the X, compared with 2,000 wolverine fans there, the gophers have the advantage.
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They aren't going to throw away hundreds of thousands of dollars so that PSU can promote their program. I would bet money this event is never held outside the Twin Cities or Detroit.
 
Almington said:
All of the programs deserve an opportunity to promote their programs and reward their fans by hosting a "local" conference
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I just don't see them leaving the money they would lose on the table to rotate this thing. The Big Ten basketball tournament isn't rotated, probably for good reason, and I'm guessing there won't be much of a rotation for this either. I can see them possibly rotating between St Paul and Detroit until one clearly emerges as the bigger revenue producer, and then sticking with that venue until the revenue situation forces them to look at making a change. However, I don't ever see this being played outside of the Twin Cities or Detroit.
 
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