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Big Ten Conference Tournament
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Tipsy McStagger
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Timothy A
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Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
As much as it pains me to type this, the tourney has to be at the X. The bottom line is the people in Minnesota like hockey more than any state east of the Appalachians. They turn out and fill the stands (though the rodents themselves had lower attendance early in the season, I don't know how it is going now). I too recall watching the CCHA tourney preliminary games to seeing an nearly empty Joe. Holding the tourney anywhere but the X is like throwing money right out the window. Don't hold it at the Joe to appease the eastern teams. WI & MN's home attendence crushes the 3 eastern teams combined.
As much as it pains me to type this, the tourney has to be at the X. The bottom line is the people in Minnesota like hockey more than any state east of the Appalachians. They turn out and fill the stands (though the rodents themselves had lower attendance early in the season, I don't know how it is going now). I too recall watching the CCHA tourney preliminary games to seeing an nearly empty Joe. Holding the tourney anywhere but the X is like throwing money right out the window. Don't hold it at the Joe to appease the eastern teams. WI & MN's home attendence crushes the 3 eastern teams combined.
ScoobyDoo
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scsutommyboy
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I thought they couldn't do that because OSU and Wisconsin have things going on in their arena's that time of year?
I thought they couldn't do that because OSU and Wisconsin have things going on in their arena's that time of year?
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Except that has a different number of games, the WCHA number includes 5 tickets: Thursday night, 2 separate Friday semis, a 3rd place, and a championship game, and the CCHA just includes 2 ticktes: semis and finals. The PER GAME AVERAGES between the WCHA and CCHA are much closer than the aggregate sums suggest.
Except that has a different number of games, the WCHA number includes 5 tickets: Thursday night, 2 separate Friday semis, a 3rd place, and a championship game, and the CCHA just includes 2 ticktes: semis and finals. The PER GAME AVERAGES between the WCHA and CCHA are much closer than the aggregate sums suggest.
mnstate0fhockey
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The CCHA plays 4 games to the WCHA's 5. That hardly explains the wide discrepancy. And there is a reason the CCHA includes only two tickets. If they split their ticket packages up any more, it would be even deader than it already is. Or are you suggesting the CCHA just didn't want to make more money?
Hockeybuckeye
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Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
OSU's schedule conflict is usually during first round conference playoff dates but now that OSU also manages the Blue Jackets NHL rink that location is on the table as an option.
Hockeybuckeye
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The CCHA playoff finals at the Joe used to be six teams instead of the current four team format and the first round games on Thursday were indeed pretty dead, but of course the crowds were better if Michigan or Michigan State were playing.
IrishHockeyFan
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Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
I think for attendance, atmosphere and -- most importantly to those who will be making the decisions -- $$$, holding the tournament in St. Paul is likely the better or best option. The state of Minnesota's history of support for these things speaks for itself.
One thing to keep in mind about the state of Michigan though, especially when considering how much Wisconsin's support would mean to this, is my state has TWO huge B1G state schools that draw fans to their hockey teams, as well as another 5 Division 1 teams that are supported at varying levels across the state. The last time the NCAA had a regional in Madison, I don't think either game was anywhere close to being sold out, even with the Badgers playing both nights. Wisconsin is attracting 11,500 per game so far this season. The 7 D1 schools in Michigan are attracting 24,600 total per game. Michigan doesn't have even twice the population of Wisconsin (9.8 million to 5.7 million). Many of the people who go to games of the non B1G schools are also fans of one or the other B1G team as well, and may very well have rooting interest in the B1G tournament.
I don't think it would be as successful in Detroit. But not because Detroit is further away from Madison than St. Paul is.
I think for attendance, atmosphere and -- most importantly to those who will be making the decisions -- $$$, holding the tournament in St. Paul is likely the better or best option. The state of Minnesota's history of support for these things speaks for itself.
One thing to keep in mind about the state of Michigan though, especially when considering how much Wisconsin's support would mean to this, is my state has TWO huge B1G state schools that draw fans to their hockey teams, as well as another 5 Division 1 teams that are supported at varying levels across the state. The last time the NCAA had a regional in Madison, I don't think either game was anywhere close to being sold out, even with the Badgers playing both nights. Wisconsin is attracting 11,500 per game so far this season. The 7 D1 schools in Michigan are attracting 24,600 total per game. Michigan doesn't have even twice the population of Wisconsin (9.8 million to 5.7 million). Many of the people who go to games of the non B1G schools are also fans of one or the other B1G team as well, and may very well have rooting interest in the B1G tournament.
I don't think it would be as successful in Detroit. But not because Detroit is further away from Madison than St. Paul is.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
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More tickets does not automatically result in a higher price for the tickets. You can sell a single pass to the games for $40, or two tickets to both the games for $20 each: Same revenue, but your attendance will be 1/2 in the first case as opposed to the 2nd case. The NCAA has moved to having one ticket for the semi-finals at the F4 and regionals and the price of the package has not decreased because you get few individual tickets.
If you only have 1 ticket for the whole session, you don't have to schedule enough time between games to empty the arena, clean it, and re-admit everyone. That is why the WCHA has gone to a single ticket for the Thursday games so they are able to start the early game on Thursday at 3:30 as opposed to 2 (which is when the Friday afternoon game starts).
More tickets does not automatically result in a higher price for the tickets. You can sell a single pass to the games for $40, or two tickets to both the games for $20 each: Same revenue, but your attendance will be 1/2 in the first case as opposed to the 2nd case. The NCAA has moved to having one ticket for the semi-finals at the F4 and regionals and the price of the package has not decreased because you get few individual tickets.
If you only have 1 ticket for the whole session, you don't have to schedule enough time between games to empty the arena, clean it, and re-admit everyone. That is why the WCHA has gone to a single ticket for the Thursday games so they are able to start the early game on Thursday at 3:30 as opposed to 2 (which is when the Friday afternoon game starts).
mnstate0fhockey
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Both around same price $20-50 depending on seat location. 34,000 vs 88,900. That is a VERY big discrepancy.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
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What the WCHA and CCHA charges for tickets and how they break the games up isn't going to have any impact on what the B1G does.
Again if you double the CCHA (to account for 2 vs 4 tickets) and if you cut the WCHA by 20% (to account for 5 vs 4 tickets) you have:
CCHA: 68,000 vs WCHA: 72,000
Even if you assume that those numbers are 10%-15% above what could be expected for a B1G tournament:
Detroit: ~60,000 vs S.Paul: ~65,000
Now, the REAL question is how much of the WCHA numbers inflated by UND/SCSU/UMD/etc fans who buy ticket packages every year who would not for a B1G tournament, I think that the numbers would be very similar between the two locations and vary MORE with which teams are playing than which city is hosting.
What the WCHA and CCHA charges for tickets and how they break the games up isn't going to have any impact on what the B1G does.
Again if you double the CCHA (to account for 2 vs 4 tickets) and if you cut the WCHA by 20% (to account for 5 vs 4 tickets) you have:
CCHA: 68,000 vs WCHA: 72,000
Even if you assume that those numbers are 10%-15% above what could be expected for a B1G tournament:
Detroit: ~60,000 vs S.Paul: ~65,000
Now, the REAL question is how much of the WCHA numbers inflated by UND/SCSU/UMD/etc fans who buy ticket packages every year who would not for a B1G tournament, I think that the numbers would be very similar between the two locations and vary MORE with which teams are playing than which city is hosting.
mnstate0fhockey
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You're making the assumption that the CCHA could sell as many tickets as the WCHA if they changed their ticket package. I think that line of reasoning is very, very flawed. If that was a realistic possibility, don't you think they would have already done so? They sell all-day passes for each day for a reason. And that reason is they draw like crap. Again, or are you suggesting that they just didn't want more money?
Sure, MAYBE the B1G tournament at JLA draws better than the CCHA tournament, but I have my doubts. I think the smart money is on this tournament eventually ending up inSt Paul every year.
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Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
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You are assuming that the B1G tournament will draw just as well without UND as the WCHA tournament at the X, I don't think that is the case. I really believe that attendance in both locations will be very similar.
You are assuming that the B1G tournament will draw just as well without UND as the WCHA tournament at the X, I don't think that is the case. I really believe that attendance in both locations will be very similar.
mnstate0fhockey
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We shall see. I think they'll rotate to start, but settle on one location if it draws significantly better. We'll see how it goes.
Hockeybuckeye
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Re: Big Ten Conference Tournament
Come on, we're talking about HOCKEYTOWN here. There's more hockey fans spawned by the Red Wings than anywhere else! They'll watch college hockey too.
mnstate0fhockey
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"HockeyTown" is a moniker derived more from titles won than participation or interest in the sport. There aren't more hockey fans there than anywhere else. Simply not true.
I have no problem with having the tournament in Detroit, but it will not draw as well as in St Paul, and for that reason I don't think it will be held anywhere but St Paul.
Look at the CCHA tournament attendance. If they draw as lousy for this tournament as that, it won't be held in Detroit often.
Hockeybuckeye
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Moniker or not you can't deny when the Wings are on the road you'll see more Wings fans in jerseys in the crowds than any other pro team generates on the road. Hockey fans all over the country love Detroit.
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You can have Hockeytown. We are the State Of Hockey.
You can have Hockeytown. We are the State Of Hockey.