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Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

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Friday 538 review, same as the last 2 weekends:

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Handyman said:
I wont lie...thinking of Yertle the Turtle watching as he loses the Senate for the foreseeable future does make me smile. Hell outside of Cali splitting Kepler might end up the happiest guy on this board with what will happen. (packed court, DC and PR Statehood and most likely a lot of lubeless prisonraping of the GOP agenda)

Unless the Dems decide to quit this would be an LBJ moment. He knew passing Civil Rights and Voting Rights would cost the Dems the South for years but did it anyways because he believed it was the right thing to do. If the GOP does the same thing they will lose Congress for quite some time and the Presidency for at least 2 cycles. Who knows if they will even be able to get anything put through to the SC in time before the Court is packed. (I assume they have some Roe cases in lower courts ready but honestly dont know)
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Well, while the D hold all three they could actually pass a law allowing abortion. Take the sc right out of it interpreting roe and just let this new law be tested.
 
mookie1995 said:
Well, while the D hold all three they could actually pass a law allowing abortion. Take the sc right out of it interpreting roe and just let this new law be tested.
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Yep. I said that last night as well. 6 month pain for unlimited gain really. Same would hold true LGBTQ Rights.

If Roe gets overturned it isnt like abortion is illegal everywhere...it just punts it back to the States. Congress would fix that.
 
Unfortunately, even if the D sweeps everything, they're going to trip over their own dicks and not accomplish a fraction of what we're wishing for in the next two years.
 
aparch said:
Unfortunately, even if the D sweeps everything, they're going to trip over their own dicks and not accomplish a fraction of what we're wishing for in the next two years.
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In 2006 and 2008 Americans seemed to grow tired of the republican's hypocrisy. They voted a republican House out in 2006 and and gained virtual control of the Senate due to independents caucusing with the Democrats. Then they swept Democrats into total control of the Senate and the White House in 2008. Obama campaigned on fixing the broken economy, and passing some sort of "universal" health care plan, as did the new Democrats in the congress. Well, after a disaster of a recession that Obama was completely blameless for, the economy actually grew in 2010 and he passed his signature health care law. He and congress did what it appeared the American electorate put them there to do. And while Obama's personal charisma and character kept him in the White House in 2012, Democrats lost the House in 2010 and the Senate was gone in 2014.

I hope I'm still alive to see the day when voters stop being fickle and stupid. I don't expect to be.
 
The problem was then, as it is now, the economy didn't grow fast enough, and for some people, those down on their luck heartland Americans that Donnie pledged he was gonna work for, their status didn't improve much, if at all.

Economists in 2009 were saying that Congress needed to pass a stimulus package on the order of $1.3 trillion to get us out of Bush's recession. Unfortunately, due to Obama and the Democrats' negotiating strategy of starting negotiations in the middle, and Republicans'usual recalcitrance, it ended up being around $770 billion.

Enough to help, but not enough to give the jumpstart the economy needed, and so we just limped along with very slow, tortuous growth over the next few years. Which is why, despite the economy growing, and eventually at a pretty decent pace, so many people still say Obama's economy sucked. Because many of them barely saw the gains from that economy.

But Wall Street did really well.

If you say you want to make people's lives better, then enact policies that make people's lives better. Not just Wall Street's. And don't let Republicans gut that policy based on whatever their objection of the day is. Cause they're gonna object, no matter what you do. Might as well go big.
 
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If you say you want to make people's lives better, then enact policies that make people's lives better. Not just Wall Street's. And don't let Republicans gut that policy based on whatever their objection of the day is. Cause they're gonna object, no matter what you do. Might as well go big.
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If we're going to have a chance at saving this country, the Democrats better take heed of the part of your post I bolded. If by some miracle we actually take the Senate and the White House, we need to see some actions like FDRs first 100 days on steroids. Some of it will surely get clapped back, but not all of it, and not before it might actually make some differences. Because the Democrats have basically been timid all of my fvcking life, I will believe it when I see it.
 
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If we're going to have a chance at saving this country, the Democrats better take heed of the part of your post I bolded. If by some miracle we actually take the Senate and the White House, we need to see some actions like FDRs first 100 days on steroids. Some of it will surely get clapped back, but not all of it, and not before it might actually make some differences. Because the Democrats have basically been timid all of my fvcking life, I will believe it when I see it.
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If by some miracle we win the elections we are currently favored to win? Interesting wording...

If they ram through the justice you wont see the Dems tripping over their dicks because motivations will be different. It will no longer be "Return to Normalcy". The Dems will become exactly what the Right says they are...and they will have the mandate behind them to do it.
 
For those had noticed, there are now more than 200,000 Covid-19 deaths under the failed and incompetent leadersh...make that LiarShip of the 20,000+ lie national embarrassment.
 
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