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Biden v Dump 1: If not now, when? If not us, who?

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Have you guys seen the new Trump campaign ad that’s essentially “If Biden wins there could be non-white people coming to this country!!!”?
 
French Rage said:
Sorry, in your mind are they just gluing stamps onto the ballot and putting that in their mailbox?
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There is a purpose to the security envelope. It's to assist in ensuring that a person's vote remains secret. The person who opens it at the county auditor's office can mark the ballot received then throw it in another pile where someone else opens it without knowing whose ballot it was.

That said, I don't think failing to use it should be grounds to invalidate the ballot provided it's otherwise completed.
 
I just early voted in person and needed to use a security envelope so I guess I dont see what the issue is with them.

Though the question is why werent the envelopes sent with the ballots?
 
Handyman said:
I just early voted in person and needed to use a security envelope so I guess I dont see what the issue is with them.

Though the question is why werent the envelopes sent with the ballots?
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That's what confused me, too. I assume they sent some impossible to figure out official envelopes that needed to be cut along 12 perforations and folded into an origami swan, and a few people got fed up and just mailed them back in regular envelopes. Also, NoVa had the problem that a couple weeks ago a group unwittingly send out the wrong address for ballot requests, and people might be paranoid that the address on the provided return envelopes is wrong.

But it does seem to be that rare occurrence where you actually have to go to more effort to do it wrong. My bet is inattention to instructions.
 
Yeah but I dont see where the Supreme's ruling is wrong. The law says they need a secrecy envelope as far as I can tell. It would seem whoever sent out the ballots screwed up big time. (this is of course if everything I am reading is correct)

They seemed to have worked out a workaround by having the envelopes placed in secrecy envelopes if they arrived naked...so it would seem the State should just let that go forward.

On another note this whole vote counting fight Trump is putting up seems suicidal. I mean the military is pretty pro GOP and he is risking their votes not counting on the off chance that Dems opt to not show up at the polls and mail in their ballots. Seems like a helluva gamble to me even if you believe the courts will side with you. (which they wont be able to in time anyways) This is not Bush v. Gore there is no pending deadline on November 4th. If the States set guidelines allowing postmarked votes to be counted X amount of days after I dont see the SC even with the new Jesus Freak forcing the issue. I mean this is about as "States Rights" an issue as you can get. Roberts has already shown he doesnt want to be responsible for something that will tarnish his legacy and basically invalidating State Elections would tear this country apart.
 
Kepler said:
That's what confused me, too. I assume they sent some impossible to figure out official envelopes that needed to be cut along 12 perforations and folded into an origami swan, and a few people got fed up and just mailed them back in regular envelopes. Also, NoVa had the problem that a couple weeks ago a group unwittingly send out the wrong address for ballot requests, and people might be paranoid that the address on the provided return envelopes is wrong.

But it does seem to be that rare occurrence where you actually have to go to more effort to do it wrong. My bet is inattention to instructions.
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Electrical cooperatives, still pretty common in many rural parts of the country, typically operate off of a system where members in defined districts elect a board member from their district to represent them.

Once I was asked to be a witness to the official vote counting at an electrical cooperative (it's a long story why).

They used the same system, with the ballot placed into the secrecy envelope, which in turn is placed into an envelope which is addressed.

First, I would guess that out of a thousand votes there were somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 that screwed that up. The most common mistake was simply omitting the secrecy envelope, but we had votes where the ballot was placed into the addressed envelope, and then placed inside the secrecy envelope. We got checks and electrical statements. We got secrecy envelopes correctly placed inside addressed envelopes, but then no ballot was put in the secrecy envelope.

It actually was pretty eye-opening, and definitely a head shaking moment for me.
 
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