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BC Women's Hockey 2024-2025: Embrace The Chaos

Not sure about locking. In the previous forum universe prior to the software "upgrade", threads would be locked: 1) after reaching 1000 posts; and/or 2) when the admin locked them. Could the originator lock them as well? Don't recall. In our current world, it seems like most of the functionality is now gone, so who knows.

Most teams that have a season thread move on to a new thread the next season. That isn't a revolutionary concept. Often, the old one WAS locked, because it had exceeded the 1,000 posts. If not, people moved on to the new thread, because, it was a new season.

Originators of a thread have always had the capability to delete a thread; no special perks required. Personally, not a fan of it, unless you were the only poster in the thread (or maybe if it had to do with UND hockey -- was that ever a thing?) I do understand the frustration with someone who insists on using an obsolete thread which confuses matters, but the deletion is a bit extreme. Two wrongs and all that.

Let's just go back to talking about flavors of ice cream.

ARM is 100% right and I don't have much to add except RE: this,

I do understand the frustration with someone who insists on using an obsolete thread which confuses matters, but the deletion is a bit extreme. Two wrongs and all that.
It absolutely was extreme and I fully acknowledge the pettiness of doing it. I stand by the fact that making a message board rival of mine mad was totally worth it. Old habits die hard.

According to what pops up when you delete a thread, it was a "soft delete" and it exists somewhere on the forum servers and available to be restored. Whether a mod exists that can find it to restore it idk, this forum has become the Wild West over the last few years, but restoring it would vindicate my assertion that the posts were in that thread and not this one. I do not care whether there is one thread full of Reggie calling for Kinger's head or two. But we don't need two threads on the front page splitting up the season dialogue.
 
This weekend's beatdowns were reminiscent of the old club hockey days in the late 80s/early 90s, when BC would lose 10-1 at varsity schools like Northeastern. From 2011 to 2019, the Eagles made the NCAA tournament every year, played in five Frozen Fours, and had one championship game appearance. That was in addition to winning five Hockey East regular-season titles in the same span. I live out of Massachusetts now and can't say exactly why this program doesn't get top recruits any more, or why top players choose to transfer out after they arrive here. This program should be up there with the Wisconsins, Ohio States, Minnesotas and Clarksons, and it's not any more. With the education, facilities, and tradition that BC offers, it's not only frustrating, it's maddening. Something has to change, and sooner rather than later. We all want BC to be elite again.
 
bcmsu9196 Thank you for the response. That is exactly how I feel and what I have been trying to communicate on this board for years. Do I expect BC to become another Wisconsin or Minnesota ? No. But do I thing BC should be one of the top teams in the east competing in the NCAA tournament every year ? Yes. Of course I do. If Clarkson and Northeastern can do it then why cant BC do it ? How many more years of this do we have to watch ? It simply is not getting better.

Its time for a change. Its obvious. We need a new leader. A new coach with a new approach to recruiting could have BCWIH back in a short period of time. I truly believe that.

"Its not personal Sonny. Its strictly business"
 
bcmsu9196 Thank you for the response. That is exactly how I feel and what I have been trying to communicate on this board for years. Do I expect BC to become another Wisconsin or Minnesota ? No. But do I thing BC should be one of the top teams in the east competing in the NCAA tournament every year ? Yes. Of course I do. If Clarkson and Northeastern can do it then why cant BC do it ? How many more years of this do we have to watch ? It simply is not getting better.

Its time for a change. Its obvious. We need a new leader. A new coach with a new approach to recruiting could have BCWIH back in a short period of time. I truly believe that.

"Its not personal Sonny. Its strictly business"

Calling Shannon Miller.
 
Skate79 I feel your pain. Its hard to believe Harvard has fallen just as far as BC has. The difference is Harvard is in the middle of an actual rebuild. I think Harvard will improve a lot over the next 2-3 years. The new coach impresses me. She and her staff are everywhere trying to recruit. If not, and Harvard doesn't turn it around then maybe time for a new coach. Just don't become another BCWIH where winning and losing just isn't that important. I know this would never fly with the BC football program or the other hockey program. So why BCWIH? Where are you, Blake James? Were you lucky enough to watch those 2 games this weekend? If you were watching, were you acting like Cam Neely does watching bad Bruins games throwing a temper tantrum? I hope you were. I know I was. This needs to stop.

I watched some of Friday night's game and found out that AJ Mleczko's daughter Jamie plays for BC. One of the greatest players ever to suit up for the Crimson and her daughter plays for the Eagles. A bitter pill to swallow for sure. But that is where we are at Harvard. Heck, Andrew Ference's daughter whose #1 sport is hockey is playing rugby at Harvard. How's that for another slap? I hope you're right about the coaching staff and their recruiting efforts, but I fear that it will take many seasons before we are national contenders again. All I have to do is look at Brown and Dartmouth for proof.
 
Skate79 I mean no disrespect to AJ Mleczko or her daughter but she had no business being on the ice last weekend making her college debut against the #1 team in the country. I have no idea what Crowley was thinking of putting her and other freshman in that situation. Can you imagine playing your first collegiate game on against the #1 ranked team in the US on national TV ? Sorry but as a coach you need to put your players (especially freshman) into situations where they can be successful. Some of those BC players looked like fish out of water out there. It just wasn't a fair fight. I would equate it to a high school varsity team playing against a high school junior varsity team. Just a total mismatch. BC hardly ever had the puck. Really really really hard to watch.

Its all about the recruiting. We currently have very few players that can play at the D1 level. The BC roster is filled with kids that have no business being on a division 1 roster. NONE. Whose fault is that ? The players ? Of course not. Every hockey player has a dream of playing Division 1 hockey. Its the coaches who are recruiting them. Many of these kids were offered scholarships when they were freshman in high school ! BC has unfortunately proven that this recruiting strategy doesn't work. Where are all the Canadian players ? Where are the European players ? Where are the Minnesota players ? How about California ? Does anyone outside of New England want to come play hockey at Boston College ? Do the BC coaches ever leave Boston ? Last time I looked BC was ranked as a very good school, has a beautiful campus and great facilities . What in the world is going on here ? Clarkson can do it but we cant ?

Enough is enough. I've had it.

Now lets go beat another D3 team Holy Cross this weekend.
 
BC admin doesn't give the women's hockey team the resources they need to recruit that far and wide. They target a few outside of New England but it costs a lot of money to fly around the country/Europe watching players and persuading them to come to play for you.

This is a big part of why Kennedy left (she was not let go, I'm happy to say).

If you were to ask one thing if Blake James it would be to fire Kinger, but if I were to ask him it would be to give her a blank check.
 
The BC roster is filled with kids that have no business being on a division 1 roster. NONE. Whose fault is that ? ... Its the coaches who are recruiting them. ... Where are all the Canadian players ? Where are the European players ? Where are the Minnesota players ? How about California ? Does anyone outside of New England want to come play hockey at Boston College ? Do the BC coaches ever leave Boston ?
I edited your post down to what I think are a few key points, but I don't think I'm changing the message of what you're saying; hopefully, that's okay. I do appreciate the questions that you're asking.

I agree that the core of BC's roster tends to come from closer to home than a typical contending team. That was true to a certain extent even when they were at the top, and it was noteworthy to have a Canadian player. There were also top players from around the US (e.g. Honeybaked?)

Sometimes, what changes isn't necessarily the impacted team, but what other teams do. For example, Nadine Muzerall becomes coach at tOSU and continues to recruit Minnesota heavily, something she had done while on the Gophers staff. She was able to eat away at Minnesota's recruiting advantage close to home, while also adding players to her roster from Canada, something tOSU had always done. All of a sudden, the Gophers were at a roster disadvantage to the Buckeyes, something that had not been true in the past.

I can certainly be critical of him at times, but to his credit, Brad Frost adjusted his tactics and expanded his recruiting of international players, both from Canada and Europe. This was an option because Frost does have a recruiting budget. TTT claims that BC does not, and given the Eagles only had two full-time coaches on staff for years when almost everyone else had three, that claim could be valid.

IMO, Crowley was given too much credit when she was winning and is getting too much blame now. She's been the same person the whole time.

There are factors outside of her control. Similar to the problem that UNH faced earlier and Northeastern did more recently, the rest of Hockey East hasn't always provided the level of competition that would have best served BC. Win No. 40 in 2015-16 came a lot harder that many of those earlier in the winning streak, in part because Clarkson was the best team the Eagles had seen to that point. By the Final, Minnesota had already seen Wisconsin six times, so the Eagles didn't present a radically new degree of difficulty. No coach can wave a wand and make the rest of the league more challenging. If anything, HEA has declined, not improved, in recent years. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say why; perhaps it is tied to improvement of some ECAC teams. If the perception of potential recruits is that they would rather play in a different league, then that is a factor that is difficult for Crowley, or any coach, to single-handedly overcome.
 
BC admin doesn't give the women's hockey team the resources they need to recruit that far and wide. They target a few outside of New England but it costs a lot of money to fly around the country/Europe watching players and persuading them to come to play for you.

Not True. They have plenty of resources and I'm tired of hearing the same excuse year after year. The BC coaches don't leave Massachusetts and everyone knows it. How do Clarkson and Northeastern do it ? Do they have more $$ committed to WIH than BC ? I don't think so

IMO, Crowley was given too much credit when she was winning and is getting too much blame now. She's been the same person the whole time.

Ok. Fine. I agree she a great person. Than who else can I blame for the total collapse of the BCWIH program other than the head coach ? This has been going on for 6-7 years ! Are you telling me I should blame the BC Athletic Director ? Would this collapse be ok for the football team ?

There are factors outside of her control. Similar to the problem that UNH faced earlier and Northeastern did more recently, the rest of Hockey East hasn't always provided the level of competition that would have best served BC.

Outside of her control ? Not enough competition ? You must be joking. I think BCWIH has finished in 4th place in Hockey East 4 years in a row. That is simply unacceptable at Boston College.
 
I'm not joking. BCWIH isn't good right now; nobody is claiming that it is. You think it is a simple as changing coaches, and magically, BC will be back near the top of the heap. I'm saying that if they don't fund the program like the top teams do, it isn't going to matter as much as you think. You take it as a given that BC is funded like the Big Ten schools are, but you didn't address the program only paying for two coaches when just about every other program had three. I'm not an insider, so I have no idea what BC does/doesn't provide for the program beyond that, but they haven't tended to travel much for their OOC games. Not sure what the financial arrangements are when they play at a showcase event. Clarkson benefits from being just across the river from a wealth of talent, but the Golden Knights are also well funded. You don't compete over the long term if you're not. Follow the money; the teams that have had prolonged runs at the top of the sport have spent money on their programs. Clarkson has remained near the top for a decade and a half; peanuts alone won't keep you there.
 
BC admin doesn't give the women's hockey team the resources they need to recruit that far and wide. They target a few outside of New England but it costs a lot of money to fly around the country/Europe watching players and persuading them to come to play for you.

This is a big part of why Kennedy left (she was not let go, I'm happy to say).

If you were to ask one thing if Blake James it would be to fire Kinger, but if I were to ask him it would be to give her a blank check.

WI has 7 players from PA, MA, NY NH MD and Quebec. The EZAC is filled with young ladies from MN who headed east. If I was Kinger, I'd be spending my own money to make some trips west to MN get better players than she's getting out of the east unless she's fine with who she's getting.
 
I'm not joking. BCWIH isn't good right now; nobody is claiming that it is. You think it is a simple as changing coaches, and magically, BC will be back near the top of the heap. I'm saying that if they don't fund the program like the top teams do, it isn't going to matter as much as you think. You take it as a given that BC is funded like the Big Ten schools are, but you didn't address the program only paying for two coaches when just about every other program had three. I'm not an insider, so I have no idea what BC does/doesn't provide for the program beyond that, but they haven't tended to travel much for their OOC games. Not sure what the financial arrangements are when they play at a showcase event. Clarkson benefits from being just across the river from a wealth of talent, but the Golden Knights are also well funded. You don't compete over the long term if you're not. Follow the money; the teams that have had prolonged runs at the top of the sport have spent money on their programs. Clarkson has remained near the top for a decade and a half; peanuts alone won't keep you there.
  1. Yes, I truly believe that it is that simple. The right new coach would have BCWIH competing for NCAA tourney in a very short time. There are so many talented coaches out there with a proven track record of recruiting high quality talent.
  2. This has nothing to do with money. BCWIH has more $ committed to WIH than any other school in the East. FACT. Blake James wants to win and will clearly spend the money.
  3. Clarkson? You cant be serious ! Clarkson isn't in BCs league as far as funding. Poor excuse.
  4. BC has 2 full time assistant coaches and have had 2 for a while. Another poor excuse.
  5. How about Northeastern ? Should I follow the money ? Their budget doesn't compare to BC. How do they do it ?
Sorry but I have had it with the excuses. This is simply unacceptable
 
I will add that none of these schools have as many athletics programs as BC does. Those teams also compete in the ACC and while there is a lot of money in the ACC, it also costs a TON to compete and travel and recruit nationally for all these sports.

The women's hockey team doesn't even get a schedule until a week before the season because they're like 5th in the pecking order in their own building (FB, MBB, WBB, MIH, and use to be volleyball too but they are finally in the new rec center). The women's hockey team is not a high priority. Programs like Clarkson or Colgate or BU or NU or UMD are like the 2nd or 3rd most important team on campus. OSU and UM and OSU are the parallels for BC, but those schools are investing in WIH in a way that BC is not.

If you think it's laziness or something that we are mostly recruiting locally you can certainly think that it you want. It's wrong, but you can think it. That's a pretty misguided opinion to have about someone who has 3 Olympic medals and is in the HHOF. You think she got there by being lazy?

Fact: Kennedy left because of the lack of resources BC Athletics was allocating to the program.
 
I'm not joking. BCWIH isn't good right now; nobody is claiming that it is. You think it is a simple as changing coaches, and magically, BC will be back near the top of the heap. I'm saying that if they don't fund the program like the top teams do, it isn't going to matter as much as you think. You take it as a given that BC is funded like the Big Ten schools are, but you didn't address the program only paying for two coaches when just about every other program had three. I'm not an insider, so I have no idea what BC does/doesn't provide for the program beyond that, but they haven't tended to travel much for their OOC games. Not sure what the financial arrangements are when they play at a showcase event. Clarkson benefits from being just across the river from a wealth of talent, but the Golden Knights are also well funded. You don't compete over the long term if you're not. Follow the money; the teams that have had prolonged runs at the top of the sport have spent money on their programs. Clarkson has remained near the top for a decade and a half; peanuts alone won't keep you there.
  1. Yes, I truly believe that it is that simple. The right new coach would have BCWIH competing for NCAA tourney in a very short time. There are so many talented coaches out there with a proven track record of recruiting high quality talent.
  2. This has nothing to do with money. BCWIH has more $ committed to WIH than any other school in the East. FACT. Blake James wants to win and will clearly spend the money.
  3. Clarkson? You cant be serious ! Clarkson isn't in BCs league as far as funding. Poor excuse.
  4. BC has 2 full time assistant coaches and have had 2 for a while. Another poor excuse.
  5. How about Northeastern ? Should I follow the money ? Their budget doesn't compare to BC. How do they do it ?
Sorry but I have had it with the excuses. This is simply unacceptable

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BC just lost 4-1 to Holy Cross. I watched the entire game in stunned silence. I believe its the first time that Holy Cross has ever beaten BC in WIH.

For those of you that think I enjoy watching BC lose like this you couldn't be more wrong. This is so painful. I am truly at a loss for words at what has happened to this program. This was not a fluke, the better team won tonight. I actually thought BC played hard, had a bunch of shots. They just aren't good enough. I thought this would be an easy win for us. It usually is. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Hopefully they find a way to bounce back on Saturday. They better or this is going to get very ugly.
 
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