BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

[bceaglesalum]

Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I am pretty certain it's likely that you are a player that I probably got along well with in the past, so I will be diplomatic here and just say I really don't agree and at this point Kinger has earned quite a bit of goodwill given that outside of Minnesota and Wisconsin, there's a case to be made that BC is arguably the most successful women's hockey program in the country over the last 5-10 years or so.

No one can argue that BC has been dominant against Hockey East Teams- that was not my point and would never take away wins/losses from the teams over the past decade. How many National Championships have they won? Kinger got out coached at both the Clarkson and Minnesota games. When you are 0-9 in power plays, and panic in the 2nd period vs Minnesota and shorten your bench, you can't be surprised to get the outcome we saw. If she would have run the lines, we may have had a different outcome- she panicked and that shows weakness to her team. While I am on a roll, the 2nd line was average at best and Travigno was a liability on the ice vs Minnesota. Kinger has won games, I am not disputing that, but show me a player that came in to that organization that wasn't a 5 star recruit that she developed. Her reputation is for riding the horses and not for developing players. Boston College, the University is the draw, and the hopes of being the first team to win a National Championship entices top players to commit to BC, not playing for Crowley. Coach Frost at BC would have won a National Championship or 2.

 

[pokechecker]

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I agree the early goal is a killer and that didn't have any thing to do with ice size.

But why are we playing on an ice surface of that size in the final four? The only team in the nation that plays on that size regularly is UNH. The D3 Final Four was played at Plattsburgh with a much smaller size of 185 x 80, which is a shoe box thus the opposite argument.

I say play it at an Arena with 200 x 85 and we don't have this question.

you should really do your homework before posting, SCSU plays on an Olympic sheet, so every WCHA team plays at least 2 games on one
WI plays on a ice sheet 5 feet wider than NHL

and isn't the BC ice sheet a couple feet wide?
BU is also 5 feet wider, as is Vermont & NE
and Harvard is also a little big in both dimensions
there really is no standard size

if Potomak doesn't score that quick first goal, the game may have been entirely different

 

[bc6696]

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The Gophers have big holes to fill, especially in net. Someone should emerge eventually, but the Gophers have always been a different team with an inexperienced versus a veteran goalie. They obviously have to fill slots on the blue line and up front, but I think they have the talent coming in to do so. If anything, they should be deeper next year at forward. Hosting a quarter and getting to the FF may be a reasonable goal for UM, but I think it is UW versus everyone else when it comes to winning NCAAs next year.

Quick look at what the top five has to replace:

MN 4 Skaters/Goalie 52G or 28.71% of scoring
BC 6 Skaters 116G/54.46%
WI 6 Skaters 30G/19.48%
CU 4 Skaters 37G/26.43%
QU 6 Skaters 42G/35.59%

 

[mnturkey]

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Ice size is the same for both teams. Both teams had a chance to practice on the sheet of Ice. Both teams won a game on the sheet of ice. Each arena has little quirks that is what home field advantage is. This was a neutral site. The size of the ice is another quirk that each team has to deal with. I watched the 1989 Gophers lose to Harvard at the old Civic Center (clear boards) when the puck hit a small projection in the boards and went right in front of the goal onto a Harvard stick and in the net for the win in OT. The NHL has a rule for the outdoor games if the wind is a factor they change ends at the 10 min mark of the third period just to keep it even.
The Ice size was not a determing factor in the win or the loss.

I agree the early goal is a killer and that didn't have any thing to do with ice size.

But why are we playing on an ice surface of that size in the final four? The only team in the nation that plays on that size regularly is UNH. The D3 Final Four was played at Plattsburgh with a much smaller size of 185 x 80, which is a shoe box thus the opposite argument.

I say play it at an Arena with 200 x 85 and we don't have this question.

 

[vicb]

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No one can argue that BC has been dominant against Hockey East Teams- that was not my point and would never take away wins/losses from the teams over the past decade. How many National Championships have they won? Kinger got out coached at both the Clarkson and Minnesota games. When you are 0-9 in power plays, and panic in the 2nd period vs Minnesota and shorten your bench, you can't be surprised to get the outcome we saw. If she would have run the lines, we may have had a different outcome- she panicked and that shows weakness to her team. While I am on a roll, the 2nd line was average at best and Travigno was a liability on the ice vs Minnesota. Kinger has won games, I am not disputing that, but show me a player that came in to that organization that wasn't a 5 star recruit that she developed. Her reputation is for riding the horses and not for developing players. Boston College, the University is the draw, and the hopes of being the first team to win a National Championship entices top players to commit to BC, not playing for Crowley. Coach Frost at BC would have won a National Championship or 2.

WOW, throw the coach under the bus when things go wrong. Unbelieveable.

 

[bceaglesalum]

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Not sure how stating the obvious is "throwing under bus" - Crowley is a paid employee of BC and should be held accountable- she let the team go 0-9 in power plays, and made no mid course corrections, she panicked and shortened the lines early into the 2nd period, and wore out her best players, and bottom-line she has never won a National Championship- I can think a half a dozen coaches that would have developed this team into National Champions. Most likely back to back , if not 3 of the past 4 years. Next year's team will be a test for Crowley, when you lose the caliber of players as Skarupa/Carp and your graduating Sr's account for over 50% of your goal production ( I believe Minnesota was around 22%), you will need to step up, and will be a true test of a top-level Div 1 Coach. We will just have to wait until next season and see if Crowley changes her mindset and commits to developing players after losing arguable the best 2 players in the country. As a diehard BC fan ( although frustrated) will Crowley rise to the occasion and bring a team with a completely different caliber of players back to the Frozen Four.

 

[Call It]

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Accountability needs to start with Crowley- she was out coached in both the Clarkson and Minnesota games. Crowley is not a coach known for developing players, and with a weaker Hockey East schedule you have luxury of riding on the backs of Skarupa/Carp. A coach that cannot win a National Championship with this team should seriously rethink why they coach in the first place.

Wow!!! She will not have that luxury next year (of riding on the backs of Skarupa/Carp).

 

[Ted Knight]

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Not sure how stating the obvious is "throwing under bus" - Crowley is a paid employee of BC and should be held accountable- she let the team go 0-9 in power plays, and made no mid course corrections, she panicked and shortened the lines early into the 2nd period, and wore out her best players, and bottom-line she has never won a National Championship- I can think a half a dozen coaches that would have developed this team into National Champions. Most likely back to back , if not 3 of the past 4 years. Next year's team will be a test for Crowley, when you lose the caliber of players as Skarupa/Carp and your graduating Sr's account for over 50% of your goal production ( I believe Minnesota was around 22%), you will need to step up, and will be a true test of a top-level Div 1 Coach. We will just have to wait until next season and see if Crowley changes her mindset and commits to developing players after losing arguable the best 2 players in the country. As a diehard BC fan ( although frustrated) will Crowley rise to the occasion and bring a team with a completely different caliber of players back to the Frozen Four.

don't listen to this moron. he probably had some money on the game and lost. probably a basketball alum that knew Henry Hill. heck, Facebook had a BC alum, Roland Regan Jr. from Marblehead, MA , President and CEO of the National Childhood Obesity Foundation post "another choke!" TWICE on the BC Athletics facebook page. it has since been deleted...how pathetic. with alum like you two who needs enemies?

it's funny how this loss hurt so many people. it's a game people. there's a winner and a loser. if anyone thinks that either team outplayed the other they are probably a poster here that never got within 30 feet of a sheet of ice with their band.

congratulations to MN. they won. it wasn't like they didn't deserve it.

 

[bluffrinkrat]

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The 2003-2005 Harvard teams had some of the most talented players that have ever played, but they were beaten by teams (UMD & UM) that were just a little bit better. I think that is what happened to BC this year. It wasn't Crowley's fault that BC lost or Stone's with Harvard. They both were just beaten by better teams.

All that said, it did seem watching the game on our computer in St Paul that Carpenter and Skarupa were on the ice a heckuva lot and appeared gassed by the 3rd period. As my favorite manager Tom Kelly once said about his coaching, "I always try to put my players in situations they can be successful and I don't ask them to do more than they can do." I do think Crowley may have been outcoached by our guy and I'm fine with that.

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Not sure how stating the obvious is "throwing under bus" - Crowley is a paid employee of BC and should be held accountable- she let the team go 0-9 in power plays, and made no mid course corrections, she panicked and shortened the lines early into the 2nd period, and wore out her best players, and bottom-line she has never won a National Championship- I can think a half a dozen coaches that would have developed this team into National Champions. Most likely back to back , if not 3 of the past 4 years. Next year's team will be a test for Crowley, when you lose the caliber of players as Skarupa/Carp and your graduating Sr's account for over 50% of your goal production ( I believe Minnesota was around 22%), you will need to step up, and will be a true test of a top-level Div 1 Coach. We will just have to wait until next season and see if Crowley changes her mindset and commits to developing players after losing arguable the best 2 players in the country. As a diehard BC fan ( although frustrated) will Crowley rise to the occasion and bring a team with a completely different caliber of players back to the Frozen Four.

I certainly understand the frustration at such a good season that ended the way it did.

One thing I will say as an outsider looking at bc. They made some adjustments that really improved their power play from last year to this year. Some credit has to go to the coaching staff for that. And I know you stated the 0-9 power play but look at Minnesota's power play stats against Wisconsin for the year. I think they went 1-16 which tells you that good teams can negate special teams that are normally very good. And it is not uncommon for coaches to shorten their benches in games when they are under a lot of pressure.

 

[DC78-82]

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but show me a player that came in to that organization that wasn't a 5 star recruit that she developed.

One that instantly comes to mind is Meghan Grieves, then there is Kate Leary, maybe Cali Flanagan, who I noticed more yesterday than in her first two seasons. Caitlen Walsh a few years ago, who earned more and more playing time each year, and became a very dynamic player.

I am not a BC fan, or alum, but I see all these teams multiple times a year, and believe me, there are players from BC (and other teams too) who got from :whose that", to "where did she get that", on the ice over the course of 4 years. They may never develop into stars, but they become integral parts of the team.

Maybe a little personal issue there?

 

[pigglegg]

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The ice size was really not much of a factor in the final in my opinion. BC seemed to have more issues with it in the semifinal but they had adjusted well by the time the final came around.

Also there really shouldn't be an issue with playing on Olympic sized ice. I mean honestly, half of the players in the final actually play in the Olympics. lol

I disagree. The size of the ice sheet makes a difference, especially against a faster team. It's considerably more ice to cover.

I think NHL-sheets just make for better hockey and olympic sheets are best for figure skating. The NCAA only holds the men's tournaments on NHL-sized sheets. The same should be done for the women's tourney. This is not to say that all sheets should be the exact same dimensions. Some are 200x85, others 200x87, but none should be 200x100. That's just too big. BU's Agganis arena is the perfect size at 200x90. the extra 5' is just enough.

And as a spectator i'd rather watch a game on a NHL rink. I went to a Northeastern game at Matthews and watched both teams flying all over the ice. The next night I went to a game at UNH and it was soooo slow. It was a hugely noticeable difference.

UNH coach Dick Umile has tried to have their sheet cut down to NHL size claiming it was a disadvantage for his team when they went to the HEA or NCAA tournaments. Even the University of Minnesota wanted to cut down their sheet, as can be seen in this article. I say go for it.

 

[bceaglesalum]

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don't listen to this moron. he probably had some money on the game and lost. probably a basketball alum that knew Henry Hill. heck, Facebook had a BC alum, Roland Regan Jr. from Marblehead, MA , President and CEO of the National Childhood Obesity Foundation post "another choke!" TWICE on the BC Athletics facebook page. it has since been deleted...how pathetic. with alum like you two who needs enemies?

it's funny how this loss hurt so many people. it's a game people. there's a winner and a loser. if anyone thinks that either team outplayed the other they are probably a poster here that never got within 30 feet of a sheet of ice with their band.

congratulations to MN. they won. it wasn't like they didn't deserve it.

Chill Teddy boy- I am just stating the obvious, no need to get ugly- this is a fan talking, albeit frustrated one, I feel for the ladies and with the caliber of talent Coach has to step up and take responsibility. This was a stacked roster with 3 powerful lines, and BC still couldn't win a National Championship. Let's have this discussion next year about this time and see what BC Hockey does...

 

[Ted Knight]

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wha

Chill Teddy boy- I am just stating the obvious, no need to get ugly- this is a fan talking, albeit frustrated one, I feel for the ladies and with the caliber of talent Coach has to step up and take responsibility. This was a stacked roster with 3 powerful lines, and BC still couldn't win a National Championship. Let's have this discussion next year about this time and see what BC Hockey does...

you don't know what you're talking about. games are played by players. they were prepared as best they could be. someone posted that they didn't prepare for MN speed. i'm trying to figure out how a team can "prepare" for an opponents speed.
does MN prepare for ARD in net by putting a shooter tutor on the net? no. you clearly have a personal beef with the coach.

they lost a game. get over it.

 

[zoofer]

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.TTT20 might be right as the game did move along but I concur that BC didn't seem to have any emotion.....they played their system to be sure but as the clock counted down the third, they seemed to play cerebral rather than forcing the play and doing anything to keep possession for attack...
I wrote this on the other thread Gents, and am curious what you BC folks think.....do you guys think they played with emotion? It was obvious as to when the team finally did acclimate to Minnesota's game but they never seemed angry, hungry and aggressive with time winding down....IMHO
I must say though, the BC fans have more selection for wardrobe options with BC insignia than anyone! Wow the variety was impressive....

 

[pucko]

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Not sure how stating the obvious is "throwing under bus" - Crowley is a paid employee of BC and should be held accountable- she let the team go 0-9 in power plays, and made no mid course corrections, she panicked and shortened the lines early into the 2nd period, and wore out her best players, and bottom-line she has never won a National Championship- I can think a half a dozen coaches that would have developed this team into National Champions. Most likely back to back , if not 3 of the past 4 years. Next year's team will be a test for Crowley, when you lose the caliber of players as Skarupa/Carp and your graduating Sr's account for over 50% of your goal production ( I believe Minnesota was around 22%), you will need to step up, and will be a true test of a top-level Div 1 Coach. We will just have to wait until next season and see if Crowley changes her mindset and commits to developing players after losing arguable the best 2 players in the country. As a diehard BC fan ( although frustrated) will Crowley rise to the occasion and bring a team with a completely different caliber of players back to the Frozen Four.

I love this post. The reason I love it is because if Crowley doesn't shorten the bench, then she would be attacked for "not playing to win in a National Championship game". But when she shortens the bench and they don't win, suddenly it should have been more of a team effort. Make up your mind, buddy. Also, I'd like you to name the half a dozen coaches that would have made this team into a National Champion. Go.

 

[pakidnyc]

Ice size is the same for both teams. Both teams had a chance to practice on the sheet of Ice. Both teams won a game on the sheet of ice. Each arena has little quirks that is what home field advantage is. This was a neutral site. The size of the ice is another quirk that each team has to deal with. The Ice size was not a determing factor in the win or the loss.

Not to mention the fact that BC is the only team of the four who plays on this exact sheet 2x a year. I noticed the boards were extremely active. BC obviously would have known this prior to getting to Durham. At the end of the day, the ice wasn't the determining factor. I would blame it on the fact that BC played one ranked team this year (granted they played them a lot). Minnesota and Wisconsin have to play each other 4x and Bemidji, UMD and UND who are often ranked in the top-10. So it's less likely for one of them to go undefeated and thus garner the #1 seed. If Minn or Wisco had been the #1 seed, then it likely would've been an all-WCHA final which the committee probably doesn't want either.

 

[EastFan1]

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I didn't watch the game but saw the boxscore and some tweets. Didn't BC hit a couple pipes and weren't the shots pretty even? This thread makes it sound like BC couldn't compete.

 

[Golden Tuuk]

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.TTT20 might be right as the game did move along but I concur that BC didn't seem to have any emotion..... .....do you guys think they played with emotion? It was obvious as to when the team finally did acclimate to Minnesota's game but they never seemed angry, hungry and aggressive with time winding down....IMHO

I said the same thing about Wisco after they lost to the Gophs.

You fans really shouldn't beat up the BC organization so much, the Gophers just weren't going to be denied. They played with with untold amounts of emotion through the whole tournament. All of the time, no drop off. For them to get a healthy Amanda Kessel back and then be placed as a #3 seed, I just think that sealed it. Frost knew he had great team with a nearly unfair advantage in Kessel, plus they were playing with little pressure as "underdogs".

I've never been in any situation like these BC women were in, but I can't imagine the pressure they were under entering the weekend 39-0. Knowing you're #1 but haven't played the juggernauts I'm sure was in the back of their minds. I'm just saying, besides scheduling what else could have the staff done?

 

[mnpokecheck]

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I didn't watch the game but saw the boxscore and some tweets. Didn't BC hit a couple pipes and weren't the shots pretty even? This thread makes it sound like BC couldn't compete.

Game is available to replay

http://www.ncaa.com/video/icehockey...-hockey-championship-minnesota-boston-college