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BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

That was a fun ride. Gonna have to fight hard next year.
As will the Gophers, we lose a ton of talent and have some rebuilding to do. Going into the season we'll be decided underdogs to the Badgers. But that's a long ways off, for now the team can enjoy the moment and celebrate a hard-earned victory. They managed to beat a great team.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Well that was really sad.

That was a fun ride. Gonna have to fight hard next year.

Winning 40 in a row is nothing to sneeze at. Tremendous accomplishment. First thing that came to mind was the Pats loss to the Giants in '08. Winning that last one is probably the hardest thing to do in sports.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I went to the game. Here's what went wrong for BC. The team struggled mightily on the olympic-sized ice sheet. Their passes weren't connecting and their offensive drives lacked any real muster. Minnesota was the faster team, so that made for a double whammy on the larger ice surface. I don't think I saw BC put more than one or two legitimately decent shots on net. Everything was either straight into the goalie's pads or glove, or never made it thru the crease from being stopped by Minnesota sticks. BC just had no chemistry today. From what I gather it was the same Friday night. The extra 15' of width really makes a difference.

I would've hoped BC's coaching staff or athletic department would've bussed the team wherever to practice on olympic ice all week. Minnesota's home arena is also an NHL sheet, but I'm sure they went next door to the men's arena to practice on an olympic sheet all week, knowing the Frozen Four was on one. BC should've done this too, but i don't think they did. So, sadly, it boiled down to BC being ill-prepared for these particular game settings.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I would've hoped BC's coaching staff or athletic department would've bussed the team wherever to practice on olympic ice all week. Minnesota's home arena is also an NHL sheet, but I'm sure they went next door to the men's arena to practice on an olympic sheet all week, knowing the Frozen Four was on one. BC should've done this too, but i don't think they did. So, sadly, it boiled down to BC being ill-prepared for these particular game settings.

As an FYI the ice at Mariucci Arena (home rink for the MN men's team) was removed after last Saturday's game as the arena was hosting the state high school basketball tournament.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

BC was not prepared for the speed that Minnesota brings to a game. Lack of quality opponents all year probably hindered their level of play. I'm not saying that can't play a game with speed, just are not accustomed to doing so. Unfortunately the fastest game of their season came in the last game of the year and BC cold not adjust in time.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Minnesota's home arena is also an NHL sheet, but I'm sure they went next door to the men's arena to practice on an olympic sheet all week, knowing the Frozen Four was on one.

They did. The Gopher men had to play at Xcel so they wanted to practice at Ridder.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I went to the game. Here's what went wrong for BC. The team struggled mightily on the olympic-sized ice sheet. Their passes weren't connecting and their offensive drives lacked any real muster. Minnesota was the faster team, so that made for a double whammy on the larger ice surface. I don't think I saw BC put more than one or two legitimately decent shots on net. Everything was either straight into the goalie's pads or glove, or never made it thru the crease from being stopped by Minnesota sticks. BC just had no chemistry today. From what I gather it was the same Friday night. The extra 15' of width really makes a difference.

I would've hoped BC's coaching staff or athletic department would've bussed the team wherever to practice on olympic ice all week. Minnesota's home arena is also an NHL sheet, but I'm sure they went next door to the men's arena to practice on an olympic sheet all week, knowing the Frozen Four was on one. BC should've done this too, but i don't think they did. So, sadly, it boiled down to BC being ill-prepared for these particular game settings.


To my knowledge, there are only 2 Olympic sized sheets in the Northeast. One is Lake Whit and the NCAA is not giving any extra practice time to one team over another where the venue is being held. The other is Lake Placid and that's rather inconvenient for a couple of day's worth of practice before you head to NH for the Frozen Four...let alone if you can even schedule some ice time there. Then there's also the added expense for the the school and program. That's not a realistic option at all.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I don't think the big ice was the difference tonight and, contrary to an above assertion, BC's passing was not the problem. If anything, their passing was more accurate than the Gophers', but it was also less ambitious. Minnesota stretched the ice vertically in ways the Eagles didn't. If there was any one thing that separated the teams, it was that Minnesota was more adept at keeping the puck in the offensive zone and building pressure. But I don't think it was actually one thing; rather, it was a lot of little things:

1) Minnesota was deeper. The Piazza/Williamson/Skarzynski line saw a lot more action, and in more crucial situations, than the Capizzano/Sullivan/Grieves line, and as the game went on, that became more important as BC's top two lines got worn down;

2) Both teams relied on five defensemen, but, despite all of our worries, the Gopher five was better top to bottom. Lee Stecklein was a rock, while Megan Keller made a couple of misplays that helped Minnesota score. At the other end, while I've been critical of Brooke Garzone as a defensemen, she was outstanding tonight. As a group, the Minnesota defense didn't panic in the face of an aggressive forecheck, and they covered in front of the net very well;

3) Minnesota was faster. All three lines had at least one player that caused BC trouble with how quickly they could bring the puck up the ice, whereas I thought BC's top line had lots of skill, but no burners that could really terrorize the defense in transition. There have been comments on these boards that the Eagles didn't play with passion, but I don't think that's right. It was more that, over the second half of the game, BC seemed to become risk averse, worried about what would happen if they got caught in the offensive zone.

4) Amanda Leveille was better than Katie Burt. The margin wasn't huge, and I don't think Burt could really be faulted on any of the Minnesota goals, but Leveille made the key stops when she had to.

I agree with William Whyte that, other than the last ten minutes of the first period, Minnesota was the better team, but it was in myriad small ways rather than any big ones.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I think the early goal was a big factor. It is hard to play uphill. The Gophers have definitely experienced that when falling behind Bemidji, North Dakota, Wisconsin, etc. When UM lost to Clarkson a couple of years ago, I thought it took a lot out of them that seemingly they were playing from behind for most of that Frozen Four. After Clarkson scored early on Friday, BC was in the hole until Johnson scored late in the third, and Sunday, they were back in a hole while the anthem was still echoing. That isn't ideal for any hockey team.

I was impressed by Keller. That's the best I've seen her play. With her and Burt as a foundation, IMO, the Eagles will be the beast of Hockey East again next year even with all that they graduate. Finally getting out of the semifinal for the first time may pay dividends next year.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

I don't think the big ice was the difference tonight and, contrary to an above assertion, BC's passing was not the problem. If anything, their passing was more accurate than the Gophers', but it was also less ambitious. Minnesota stretched the ice vertically in ways the Eagles didn't. If there was any one thing that separated the teams, it was that Minnesota was more adept at keeping the puck in the offensive zone and building pressure. But I don't think it was actually one thing; rather, it was a lot of little things:

1) Minnesota was deeper. The Piazza/Williamson/Skarzynski line saw a lot more action, and in more crucial situations, than the Capizzano/Sullivan/Grieves line, and as the game went on, that became more important as BC's top two lines got worn down;

2) Both teams relied on five defensemen, but, despite all of our worries, the Gopher five was better top to bottom. Lee Stecklein was a rock, while Megan Keller made a couple of misplays that helped Minnesota score. At the other end, while I've been critical of Brooke Garzone as a defensemen, she was outstanding tonight. As a group, the Minnesota defense didn't panic in the face of an aggressive forecheck, and they covered in front of the net very well;

3) Minnesota was faster. All three lines had at least one player that caused BC trouble with how quickly they could bring the puck up the ice, whereas I thought BC's top line had lots of skill, but no burners that could really terrorize the defense in transition. There have been comments on these boards that the Eagles didn't play with passion, but I don't think that's right. It was more that, over the second half of the game, BC seemed to become risk averse, worried about what would happen if they got caught in the offensive zone.

4) Amanda Leveille was better than Katie Burt. The margin wasn't huge, and I don't think Burt could really be faulted on any of the Minnesota goals, but Leveille made the key stops when she had to.

I agree with William Whyte that, other than the last ten minutes of the first period, Minnesota was the better team, but it was in myriad small ways rather than any big ones.

Burt was the reason early on that Minnesota wasn't up by 2 or 3 goals but I agree there wasn't a lot of difference between the 2.

The pieces were all in place for bc this year. I really did think they were going to win it all and I actually thought they were going be playing Wisconsin for the title that's how wrong I was.

bc loses talent with their senior class that you just don't replace. Will they be able to recover? Time will tell.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Minnesota was the faster team

BC was not prepared for the speed that Minnesota brings to a game.

3) Minnesota was faster.

This. I saw Skarupa beaten in foot races more times yesterday than throughout the entire regular season, even though Crowley was taking advantage of the last change to put her out against the Gopher third line. We were used to seeing BC be both the fastest and the best conditioned team on the ice, with a speed advantage that only got greater as the game went on, but Clarkson skated with us and Minnesota outskated us.

Their passes weren't connecting and their offensive drives lacked any real muster.

I don't think the big ice was the difference tonight and, contrary to an above assertion, BC's passing was not the problem. If anything, their passing was more accurate than the Gophers', but it was also less ambitious. Minnesota stretched the ice vertically in ways the Eagles didn't.

Right, and on Friday so did Clarkson. Again, during the year those cross-ice passes at speed were a hallmark of BC’s game and throughout the weekend I’m not sure I saw one, while both Minnesota and Clarkson did those three-sides-of-a-square passing plays repeatedly. Those teams were able to use their passing to keep possession and get a breathing space. It seemed that even when BC had possession it was having to work harder to keep it than its opponents were. This could have been simply excellent defense by the other teams, but it felt like those passing plays were in their game plan and not in BC’s.

1) Minnesota was deeper. The Piazza/Williamson/Skarzynski line saw a lot more action, and in more crucial situations, than the Capizzano/Sullivan/Grieves line, and as the game went on, that became more important as BC's top two lines got worn down

We played our top line a ton, they were out after every media timeout and it sometimes seemed after every single stoppage in play. And they were -2 on the game. Grieves has the speed to get the puck into the zone even against Minnesota, and Sullivan and Capizzano are solid forecheckers, so more time for them could have at least given Minnesota something to think about while the top line got their breath back. But, yes, as noted above, the speed on Minnesota’s third line was striking and the team as a whole looked more dangerous more of the time.

I thought BC's top line had lots of skill, but no burners that could really terrorize the defense in transition. There have been comments on these boards that the Eagles didn't play with passion, but I don't think that's right. It was more that, over the second half of the game, BC seemed to become risk averse, worried about what would happen if they got caught in the offensive zone.

I don't think I saw BC put more than one or two legitimately decent shots on net. Everything was either straight into the goalie's pads or glove, or never made it thru the crease from being stopped by Minnesota sticks.

It seemed that BC’s plan in the offensive zone, at least for the top line, was to stop near the point, spin towards the boards, and then look to see if the play could be set up. That gave Minnesota time to set up their D, and they packed the D more densely than we did. There were a couple of times where Carpenter or Kent took it in deeper and tried to set up the cross-ice pass to Skarupa that won the semi-final, but that pass never got off quick enough. Both Carpenter and Skarupa seemed to throw away momentum when they crossed the blue line, and there were too many times when the puck carrier would go sideways and give up an offside. So we never really got a good set of transition breakouts. Maybe this was lack of big game experience. We were able to slow Minnesota down on the boards a ton of times, but it seemed like they were able to get in position offensively while we were still in disarray a ton more than we gcould do it to them.

Picking up on the comment about depth above, the Capizzano / Sullivan / Grieves line’s shots on net were 0/0/1. I saw plenty of passes through the crease from that line that no-one got a stick on.

2) Both teams relied on five defensemen, but, despite all of our worries, the Gopher five was better top to bottom. Lee Stecklein was a rock, while Megan Keller made a couple of misplays that helped Minnesota score. At the other end, while I've been critical of Brooke Garzone as a defensemen, she was outstanding tonight. As a group, the Minnesota defense didn't panic in the face of an aggressive forecheck, and they covered in front of the net very well;

Till you mentioned it I hadn’t noticed that we saw very little of Toni Ann Miano, who’s a very solid stay at home D. Wonder if she was hurt? She’s on the line chart as paired with Flanagan, but Flanagan was out with Keller a ton in the second half of the game. I thought our D was pretty solid. Both Keller and Johnson made a few mistakes, but that happens when you have the puck so much, and in general they got back fast. Unfortunately two of Keller’s mistakes led immediately to goals.

I was impressed by Keller. That's the best I've seen her play.

Right, despite the turnovers she was phenomenal. I thought that perhaps we were asking her to do too much, too much of the time. Flanagan is a great puck-carrying defenceman and very fast, but on a lot of occasions she would have D-zone possession and clear ice and instead do a short backwards pass to Keller to bring it up. As the game went on we were relying on the D to generate rushes rather than passing, I thought – which is fine, it works, but it tires you out and gives you less chance to catch the other team off balance.

With [Keller] and Burt as a foundation, IMO, the Eagles will be the beast of Hockey East again next year even with all that they graduate.

4) Amanda Leveille was better than Katie Burt. The margin wasn't huge, and I don't think Burt could really be faulted on any of the Minnesota goals, but Leveille made the key stops when she had to.

Leveille was very good in the second and third periods. She gave up a ton of rebounds in the first which we couldn’t quite get our sticks on, and dominated in the second.

Keller and Burt were our best players, with an honorable mention to Newkirk who was the hungriest of our forwards (8 SOG and in position near Leveille’s pads on other players’ shots a ton of times). BC will be very dangerous in Hockey East next year, but nationally I think Minnesota and Wisconsin will be a class apart from everyone else.
 
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I noted that BC really seemed to lose their mojo after Kessel's goal. They had nothing on a subsequent power play (they had at-most 1 SOG), and Pannek then made it 3-0 less than two minutes after the expiration of the penalty. It was only after the timeout after that goal that they seemed to get their heads back into the game and Newkirk scored.
 
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Accountability needs to start with Crowley- she was out coached in both the Clarkson and Minnesota games. Crowley is not a coach known for developing players, and with a weaker Hockey East schedule you have luxury of riding on the backs of Skarupa/Carp. A coach that cannot win a National Championship with this team should seriously rethink why they coach in the first place.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

BC will be very dangerous in Hockey East next year, but nationally I think Minnesota and Wisconsin will be a class apart from everyone else.
The Gophers have big holes to fill, especially in net. Someone should emerge eventually, but the Gophers have always been a different team with an inexperienced versus a veteran goalie. They obviously have to fill slots on the blue line and up front, but I think they have the talent coming in to do so. If anything, they should be deeper next year at forward. Hosting a quarter and getting to the FF may be a reasonable goal for UM, but I think it is UW versus everyone else when it comes to winning NCAAs next year.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Accountability needs to start with Crowley- she was out coached in both the Clarkson and Minnesota games. Crowley is not a coach known for developing players, and with a weaker Hockey East schedule you have luxury of riding on the backs of Skarupa/Carp. A coach that cannot win a National Championship with this team should seriously rethink why they coach in the first place.

I am pretty certain it's likely that you are a player that I probably got along well with in the past, so I will be diplomatic here and just say I really don't agree and at this point Kinger has earned quite a bit of goodwill given that outside of Minnesota and Wisconsin, there's a case to be made that BC is arguably the most successful women's hockey program in the country over the last 5-10 years or so.
 
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I think the early goal was a big factor. It is hard to play uphill. The Gophers have definitely experienced that when falling behind Bemidji, North Dakota, Wisconsin, etc. When UM lost to Clarkson a couple of years ago, I thought it took a lot out of them that seemingly they were playing from behind for most of that Frozen Four. After Clarkson scored early on Friday, BC was in the hole until Johnson scored late in the third, and Sunday, they were back in a hole while the anthem was still echoing. That isn't ideal for any hockey team.

I was impressed by Keller. That's the best I've seen her play. With her and Burt as a foundation, IMO, the Eagles will be the beast of Hockey East again next year even with all that they graduate. Finally getting out of the semifinal for the first time may pay dividends next year.

I agree the early goal is a killer and that didn't have any thing to do with ice size.

But why are we playing on an ice surface of that size in the final four? The only team in the nation that plays on that size regularly is UNH. The D3 Final Four was played at Plattsburgh with a much smaller size of 185 x 80, which is a shoe box thus the opposite argument.

I say play it at an Arena with 200 x 85 and we don't have this question.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Who was the genius who decided to play this game on an Olympic sheet? Makes no sense to me. Similar in some ways to FIFA's decision to make the women play the last World Cup on astroturf.
 
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The ice size was really not much of a factor in the final in my opinion. BC seemed to have more issues with it in the semifinal but they had adjusted well by the time the final came around.

Also there really shouldn't be an issue with playing on Olympic sized ice. I mean honestly, half of the players in the final actually play in the Olympics. lol
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey, 2015-2016: Embrace The Cupcake Diet

Who was the genius who decided to play this game on an Olympic sheet? Makes no sense to me. Similar in some ways to FIFA's decision to make the women play the last World Cup on astroturf.

They can only play in places that submit a bid to host. The last time the NCAA solicited bids for four years (2015-18), only four schools submitted, and each of them has problems. UNH has Olympic size ice; Minnesota doesn't have the seating capacity to meet the listed minimum; St Louis has no program nearby that has a chance to be in next year's Frozen Four and I expect attendance to be dismal; Grand Forks doesn't meet the requirement for direct flights from everywhere. So, not only was it a case of picking your poison, had the Whittemore Center not been chosen, there wouldn't have been any eastern Frozen Fours in that span.
 
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