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BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

sheagle008 said:
I think whoever the BC goalie is, will do fine. BC's defense this year will be very strong as will the offense, a good offense is a good defense.
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It is hyperbolic comments like this that elicit a strong response from readers. IMO, Hockey East is BC's to lose - they are clearly the strongest team on paper. However, if they want to go further, you need a big game goalie. Now they've got Burt, so that's a big plus, but she's got to come up big in big games if they are going to get to the Frozen Four. That's a lot of pressure for a freshman and if you read the press release, they glossed over the fact that she gave up 4 goals on 30 shots (3 even strength, 1 PP) in the U18 final against Canada which was her biggest game to date IMO. Hockey is played on ice not on paper so let's save the hype and see how things play out. It is shaping up to be an exciting year.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

kool99 said:
It is hyperbolic comments like this that elicit a strong response from readers. IMO, Hockey East is BC's to lose - they are clearly the strongest team on paper. However, if they want to go further, you need a big game goalie. Now they've got Burt, so that's a big plus, but she's got to come up big in big games if they are going to get to the Frozen Four. That's a lot of pressure for a freshman and if you read the press release, they glossed over the fact that she gave up 4 goals on 30 shots (3 even strength, 1 PP) in the U18 final against Canada which was her biggest game to date IMO. Hockey is played on ice not on paper so let's save the hype and see how things play out. It is shaping up to be an exciting year.
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However, if they want to go further, you need a big game goalie. Never more true words have been spoke for hockey, especially come playoff time. You DO NOT win championships with less than stellar goaltending. Ask Minny ;) .
 
vicb said:
You DO NOT win championships with less than stellar goaltending. Ask Minny ;) .
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That is generally true, but there are varying degrees of "stellar" that produce championships, and given the reference, I assume you mean national championships. Goaltending has to be some level of competent in order to even get into the national tournament, or the team's confidence is undermined and problems start spreading all over the ice. I've watched that happen and it is painful. Beyond that, the better a goalie plays over the course of the season, the more confident her team will be come playoff time.

For example, when Leveille allowed a couple of shaky goals against Wisconsin in the semifinal, it didn't necessarily impact her team's belief in her, because they'd watched her have a stellar season, including three great games against Wisconsin. Her team still has to overcome the fact that goals are being posted in the wrong column on the scoreboard and the opponent is getting more and more energy from scoring, but at least the skaters are less likely to fall apart at the first sign of trouble.

Minnesota has had two goalies that won a pair of NCAA championships, and each played at a higher level in the first than she did in the second NCAA run. However, both arrived the second year playing behind offenses and defenses that didn't require her play to be stupendous, just on the order of the play of the opposing goaltender. Erica Howe won her championship game with a save % less than 90 percent, but it was good enough because her team put up five goals.

BC may be talented enough offensively to score a half a dozen goals in an NCAA Championship Game if need be. It could also turn out that an Eagles' goalie will need to hold an opponent to a goal or less at some point in order to win. One never knows.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

vicb said:
However, if they want to go further, you need a big game goalie. Never more true words have been spoke for hockey, especially come playoff time. You DO NOT win championships with less than stellar goaltending. Ask Minny ;) .
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Paging Chris Osgood. Adam Hauser on line 1.

The Cult of Goalie becomes a bit much at times.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

kool99 said:
It is hyperbolic comments like this that elicit a strong response from readers. IMO, Hockey East is BC's to lose - they are clearly the strongest team on paper. However, if they want to go further, you need a big game goalie. Now they've got Burt, so that's a big plus, but she's got to come up big in big games if they are going to get to the Frozen Four. That's a lot of pressure for a freshman and if you read the press release, they glossed over the fact that she gave up 4 goals on 30 shots (3 even strength, 1 PP) in the U18 final against Canada which was her biggest game to date IMO. Hockey is played on ice not on paper so let's save the hype and see how things play out. It is shaping up to be an exciting year.
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I don't remember her playing against Canada yet. I may have missed that game though.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

sheagle008 said:
I think whoever the BC goalie is, will do fine. BC's defense this year will be very strong as will the offense, a good offense is a good defense.
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U sure better hope so...[it's only THE most important position...u should be just fine with what u got] :D:eek::confused:
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

TonyTheTiger20 said:
Hm... I totally disagree. No disrespect to Skarupa but I think Carpenter is the better player (especially after the last year, she looks like she's only improved in her time away from BC). Now that Carpenter is the Olympian opposing players are going to key in on her in an even bigger way, I think.

I mean, either way, it's a good problem to have. "Which elite offensive weapon is more elite?" Heh.
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Pulling this discussion back to the top of the thread... I'll be interested this year to try and work out exactly what it is that makes Carpenter so good. Skarupa is not just highly skilled, but visibly highly skilled: you can see her being faster than everyone else, and you can see her protecting the puck and deking like no-one else on the ice. Carpenter "just" seems to be in the right place at the right time... but she seems to be there over and over again.
 
wwhyte said:
Pulling this discussion back to the top of the thread... I'll be interested this year to try and work out exactly what it is that makes Carpenter so good. Skarupa is not just highly skilled, but visibly highly skilled: you can see her being faster than everyone else, and you can see her protecting the puck and deking like no-one else on the ice. Carpenter "just" seems to be in the right place at the right time... but she seems to be there over and over again.
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High "hockey IQ", hard work an desire can go a long way. It worked pretty well for some skinny kid from Brantford, Ontario.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Based on the post you quoted, I don't think "hyperbolic" means what you think it means.
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Beg to differ my friend. Hyperbolic is an adjective describing something that resembles or pertains to a hyperbola (a curve), or to hyperbole (an overstatement or exaggeration).

I think that it is an exaggeration to say that BC can win with just any old goalie in the net. (We are both speaking American, not Canadian, right??)
 
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kool99 said:
Beg to differ my friend. Hyperbolic is an adjective describing something that resembles or pertains to a hyperbola (a curve), or to hyperbole (an overstatement or exaggeration).

I think that it is an exaggeration to say that BC can win with just any old goalie in the net. (We are both speaking American, not Canadian, right??)
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Colour me stupid but I thought you were "speaking" English.
 
kool99 said:
Beg to differ my friend. Hyperbolic is an adjective describing something that resembles or pertains to a hyperbola (a curve), or to hyperbole (an overstatement or exaggeration).

I think that it is an exaggeration to say that BC can win with just any old goalie in the net. (We are both speaking American, not Canadian, right??)
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She said whoever the goalie is will do "fine." Can you even exaggerate using the word "fine"? "Burt or Switaj or Blake will be EXCEPTIONALLY ADEQUATE!"
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
She said whoever the goalie is will do "fine." Can you even exaggerate using the word "fine"? "Burt or Switaj or Blake will be EXCEPTIONALLY ADEQUATE!"
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'exceptionally adequate'....love it.

In any case [and I do think the Burt signing is a plus]....leaving your goaltending to a trio of untested college netminders is [at least potentially] a recipe for disaster. :)
 
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Feel like I'm getting a little stick here, but hey, I like a good debate. First, is 'doing fine' how you would describe winning a national championship? Second, (and I don't know the answer to this question) who was the last team to win an NCAA DI championship with a freshman goalie? I assume it has happened pretty regularly since some on the thread think it is no big deal who is between the pipes as long as they are relatively competent.

Cali, I admit it was a poor attempt at humor. My comment is a reference to the old joke about England and America being two countries separated by the same language. I guess it doesn't work so well when you substitute Canada for England. OK, lame joke - no offense meant to either side of the border.
 
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kool99 said:
Second, (and I don't know the answer to this question) who was the last team to win an NCAA DI championship with a freshman goalie? I assume it has happened pretty regularly since some on the thread think it is no big deal who is between the pipes as long as they are relatively competent.
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UW in 2011 won with Rigsby. Before that it was UMD in 2010 with Harss, who may have technically been a sophomore, but it was her first year of NCAA competition. Vetter was a redshirt freshman for UW in 2006. So not regularly for frosh, but not that much less common than any other year.
 
Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Also just off the top of my head in men's, John Muse in 2010 for BC, as a true freshman played every minute of the season. BC also had a freshman this past season lead them to the Frozen Four in Philly.

Also BC women made the Frozen Four in 2007 with a freshman who played every minute as well.

Class year isn't a big deal. The problem with BC -- as I'm sure all of us would readily tell you -- is that we don't know what we're going to get. We have three untested goalies with good pedigrees. I think what Sheagle may be expressing, which is how I feel as well, is that chances are all three won't be busts and at least one is bound to pan out to be a quality goaltender given their backgrounds.
 
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Re: BC Women's Hockey '14-'15: #SOAR

Carpenter can pick out corners as well, Skarupa kind of just fires it anywhere.Alex would have the higher shooting percentage.
 
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