At Least We Have the World Jrs. During Break

[state of hockey]

Re: At Least We Have the World Jrs. During Break

This is dumb. "I'm making this argument!!"

It gets thoroughly trashed.

"But I was actually making this argument!!"


Give it up, people.

 

[Vulcanized Rubber]

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This is dumb. "I'm making this argument!!"

It gets thoroughly trashed.

"But I was actually making this argument!!"


Give it up, people.

I am not arguing....I'm correcting

 

[streaker]

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I don't want to feed the troll Hat, but I guess we can offer up some of these guys as decent NHL players born in the USA:

http://japersrink.blogspot.com/2006/01/top-10-plus-two-american-born-players.html

I think there was some guy named Hull in there too who was born in Belleville (did ya catch that, I know a Canadian city other than Tronna) has dual citizenship and played for the USA.

This argument is silly, anyway. It's like comparing the shale fields of Alberta to the Texas oil reserves in my humble opinion.

 

[jnacc]

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Wow, what a surprise that this thread has completely fallen off the rails.

No we're not not even close. I know 100x's more about NCAA and Minnesota than Dubber knows about the CHL and Canada. BTW watched UM Duluth and Western Michigan on the tube tonight along with an OHL game. The Duluth game sucked. None of those guys have any skill. Seem like great athletes would can skate but none of them have any puck sense. Power plays were brutal. The players all stood still, nobody looking for open ice, nobody trying to stretch the box. That is the biggest thing NCAA lacks over CHL. NCAA players are older but the CHL players actually have more experience, better coaching and more natural talent and hockey sense. What kind of coaching does a kid get in high school?

In truth, the large majority of NCAA players have come from the domestic Junior A ranks or the Canadian Tier II leagues. Very few come directly from high school.

If you read some of my previous posts, you'll know that I too am a big CHL fan and I agree that the league as a whole has more talent than the NCAA but you cannot pretend to tell me that your average 17 year old CHL player is more experienced than his 22 year old NCAA counter-part. Your average NCAA team will beat a CHL team 9 out of 10 times, even though the CHL club is more talented, simply because of age and experience.

As for hockey being in decline in Canada....don't hold your breath. They have more registered male youth players than they did a decade ago and minorities there are embracing the game.

 

[streaker]

Re: At Least We Have the World Jrs. During Break

Wow, what a surprise that this thread has completely fallen off the rails.



In truth, the large majority of NCAA players have come from the domestic Junior A ranks or the Canadian Tier II leagues. Very few come directly from high school.

If you read some of my previous posts, you'll know that I too am a big CHL fan and I agree that the league as a whole has more talent than the NCAA but you cannot pretend to tell me that your average 17 year old CHL player is more experienced than his 22 year old NCAA counter-part. Your average NCAA team will beat a CHL team 9 out of 10 times, even though the CHL club is more talented, simply because of age and experience.

As for hockey being in decline in Canada....don't hold your breath. They have more registered male youth players than they did a decade ago and minorities there are embracing the game.

Very solid.

Both the NCAA and the CHL have their + and -. I guess as long as Canadians feel that their national dominance in hockey is threatened, they'll resort to blowing out everyone else's candle.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

As for hockey being in decline in Canada....don't hold your breath. They have more registered male youth players than they did a decade ago and minorities there are embracing the game.

I love it when people argue a point that completely contradicts the facts.

Youth hockey enrollments in Canada are at an all-time low. That is a fact. So please, save the bull crap.

 

[jnacc]

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I love it when people argue a point that completely contradicts the facts.

Youth hockey enrollments in Canada are at an all-time low. That is a fact. So please, save the bull crap.

Really, and you have these facts about enrollments being at an all time low?

In 99-2000, there were 461946 male registered players in Canada....in 2010-11 there were over 486000, doesn't seem like an all time enrollment to me.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Really, and you have these facts about enrollments being at an all time low?

In 99-2000, there were 461946 male registered players in Canada....in 2010-11 there were over 486000, doesn't seem like an all time enrollment to me.

Your numbers are wrong.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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Let me correct myself because I did a horrible job of wording my initial statement. Enrollments in Canada are not at an "all-time" low, but they have been steadily declining and are EXPECTED to hit an all-time low in the near future.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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"Through the trending we’ve gone through here, we feel that by 2020-21 if we continue to do what we are doing, we’re going to have 360,000 members as opposed to 560,000 members,” said Hockey Canada’s vice-president of member services Glen McCurdie from his Ottawa office. “That’s a fairly significant decrease in numbers over the next 10 years. From our perspective, it’s time to change the way that we are doing stuff.”

Canadian minor hockey registration peaked in 2008-09 when 584,679 players were taking part. Last year, the number dropped to 577,077. This year, it’s expected to drop by a further one per cent when the final numbers are determined near the end of the month.

<A HREF ="http://www.originaldissent.com/node/1231">http://www.originaldissent.com/node/1231</A>

This is the second source I have submitted. I have yet to see a single source from either you or the Canadian that disputes this.

 

[Vulcanized Rubber]

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Wow, what a surprise that this thread has completely fallen off the rails.



In truth, the large majority of NCAA players have come from the domestic Junior A ranks or the Canadian Tier II leagues. Very few come directly from high school.

If you read some of my previous posts, you'll know that I too am a big CHL fan and I agree that the league as a whole has more talent than the NCAA but you cannot pretend to tell me that your average 17 year old CHL player is more experienced than his 22 year old NCAA counter-part. Your average NCAA team will beat a CHL team 9 out of 10 times, even though the CHL club is more talented, simply because of age and experience.

As for hockey being in decline in Canada....don't hold your breath. They have more registered male youth players than they did a decade ago and minorities there are embracing the game.

I know few players come directly from high school and tier 2 teams here all have several US players. I was not comparing a rookie CHL player with an NCAA senior that is silly. I am not big on high school hockey and unless a player is in a strong minor hockey program then he will not compare with an OHL rookie who would be the same age or even a year or two younger.

Yes I have seen you try to enlighten some here. When they refuse to listen they get silly.

 

[Dirty]

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Just because you aren't educated enough to understand American awesomeness doesn't make us silly.

 

[jnacc]

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"Through the trending we’ve gone through here, we feel that by 2020-21 if we continue to do what we are doing, we’re going to have 360,000 members as opposed to 560,000 members,” said Hockey Canada’s vice-president of member services Glen McCurdie from his Ottawa office. “That’s a fairly significant decrease in numbers over the next 10 years. From our perspective, it’s time to change the way that we are doing stuff.”

Canadian minor hockey registration peaked in 2008-09 when 584,679 players were taking part. Last year, the number dropped to 577,077. This year, it’s expected to drop by a further one per cent when the final numbers are determined near the end of the month.

<A HREF ="http://www.originaldissent.com/node/1231">http://www.originaldissent.com/node/1231</A>

This is the second source I have submitted. I have yet to see a single source from either you or the Canadian that disputes this.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/23952/la_id/1.htm

The 2010/11 registration process uncovered duplicate registrations which had been
historically recorded in our annual registration reports. When these duplicate registrations
are removed from this year’s report the actual registration total is 572,411 which
represents an erroneous overall decrease of 4,666 players. If these duplicate registrations
had not been removed the registration total for 2010/11 would have been 582,219
which would have reflected a year over year increase of 5,142.

We can also make the claim that male youth participation numbers are stagnant or declining in the U.S. as well, with the largest growth coming from adult rec and female hockey....

2010-11 350,885 youth players
2006-2007 353,505 youth players
2005-2006 355,156 youth players
2002-2003 370,458 youth players

2002-03 324487 male youth
2010-11 302104 male youth
Source http://www.usahockey.com//Template_Usahockey.aspx?NAV=ME_03&ID=29074

 

[JDUBBS1280]

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/23952/la_id/1.htm



We can also make the claim that male youth participation numbers are stagnant or declining in the U.S. as well, with the largest growth coming from adult rec and female hockey....

2010-11 350,885 youth players
2006-2007 353,505 youth players
2005-2006 355,156 youth players
2002-2003 370,458 youth players

2002-03 324487 male youth
2010-11 302104 male youth
Source http://www.usahockey.com//Template_Usahockey.aspx?NAV=ME_03&ID=29074

You do realize that several states recently stopped registering their youngest players with USA Hockey, right? And high school players have never registered. Nice try.

 

[darker98]

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You do realize that several states recently stopped registering their youngest players with USA Hockey, right? And high school players have never registered. Nice try.

Wait until the other 42 state discover what ice is. Those numbers in the U.S. would triple.

 

[jnacc]

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You do realize that several states recently stopped registering their youngest players with USA Hockey, right? And high school players have never registered. Nice try.

When has this occurred? USA Hockey registers all players playing under their banner as young as 4.....can you please provide a link that describes which states have discontinued registering their youngest players with USA Hockey? Is it common for high school players in Minnesota not to register with USA Hockey because I believe they do in Michigan.

Wait until the other 42 state discover what ice is. Those numbers in the U.S. would triple.

Indeed, and when all of China laces them up, the hockey world will quake!

 

[JDUBBS1280]

When has this occurred? USA Hockey registers all players playing under their banner as young as 4.....can you please provide a link that describes which states have discontinued registering their youngest players with USA Hockey? Is it common for high school players in Minnesota not to register with USA Hockey because I believe they do in Michigan.

Minnesota Hockey is meeting to vote on pulling all their Mites and Squirts out today in St Cloud. A few states (can't recall which) already did so several years ago.

Youth Hockey enrollments in the US have only increased since the mid-1990's. And it is increasing faster than ever right now.

I don't have a link to which other states pulled their mites out earlier because I heard it in a meeting, but if Minnesota does decide to pull it's players this weekend, it will make the news in Minnesota.

And yes, it is common in Minnesota. High School players do not register with USA Hockey. Has been that way as long as I can remember.

 

[darker98]

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I cannot find it, but it was stated that all U.S. hockey players will now have to register in N.D. You won't believe how many people play hockey here. even small towns that i knew never existed.

 

[jnacc]

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Minnesota Hockey is meeting to vote on pulling all their Mites and Squirts out today in St Cloud. A few states (can't recall which) already did so several years ago.

Youth Hockey enrollments in the US have only increased since the mid-1990's. And it is increasing faster than ever right now.

I don't have a link to which other states pulled their mites out earlier because I heard it in a meeting, but if Minnesota does decide to pull it's players this weekend, it will make the news in Minnesota.

And yes, it is common in Minnesota. High School players do not register with USA Hockey. Has been that way as long as I can remember.

Please provide any evidence of any state pulling their youth players out of USA Hockey...I do not believe there is a single state that has.....

As for youth registration, I have provided verifiable evidence...where is yours and please spare me the superficial articles about expanding or declining enrollments, provide us real numbers from reputable sites.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Please provide any evidence of any state pulling their youth players out of USA Hockey...I do not believe there is a single state that has.....

As for youth registration, I have provided verifiable evidence...where is yours and please spare me the superficial articles about expanding or declining enrollments, provide us real numbers from reputable sites.

You provided USA Hockey numbers. It is WIDELY known that not all hockey players in this country are registered with USA Hockey. Any Minnesotan here can verify that our high school players are not. And when Minnesota Hockey votes to pull its Mites and Squirts out of USA Hockey this weekend, I would be happy to provide you with documentation of that. However, I am not involved in youth hockey in other states, and wouldn't even know where to begin looking for that documentation.

It came up in our recent discussions that other states have pulled their Mites out of USA Hockey, and that is why Minnesota Hockey is having these discussions. Hockey is expensive enough, and with the fees USA Hockey charges, and the proposed changes to the frequency of recertification for coaches, some states have decided that having their younger players register with USA Hockey isn't worth it. There are no national tournaments for those levels, and there really aren't any other benefits to having those kids register.