Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Quite simply, "Palin" should "class it up a bit" as well. Her rhetoric is not ok.

Although I think she is wrongly accused here, and any connection is ludicrous, I don't find it at all surprising that she is thought of immediately when something like this happens.

Let's try to keep these matter separate, as they should be. To bring Palin's "rhetoric" into the discussion of what touched off Loughner is profoundly unfair, unless you want to offer suggestions about rhetoric from the left (John Kerry once kidded with Bill Maher about going to the WH and shooting Bush). And there are uncountable other examples.

You want to sound balanced in the matter of Palin but you're not. You claim you believe what's been said about her is unfair then suggest she deserves it. To suggest her name popped into your head "immediately" tells us way more about your obsessions than anything else. If you were thinking Sarah Palin when you heard about this despicable act, then you've got a possibly terminal case of PDS. You're entitled not to like her, her politics, her language, her face or anything else. And you're even entitled to continue with this blood libel against her. But you shouldn't expect everyone who reads that vile language to let it go by unchallenged.

 

[Dude Love]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

OK...I can contribute something to this that doesn't point out what a mouth-breather Old Pio is. The problem is that both sides have valid points.

First, blaming Palin or that dude who ran against Giffords is brainless. This is surely coming from the same people who blamed Marilyn Manson's music or kids playing Grand Theft Auto.

Second, anyone remember when Kevin Garnett used a bunch of military/war terms when talking about playing basketball? He was universally panned and I think he might have been fined for it. I'm not saying that use of the language caused this, but why bother using it? It's not even an apt comparison.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Let's try to keep these matter separate, as they should be. To bring Palin's "rhetoric" into the discussion of what touched off Loughner is profoundly unfair, unless you want to offer suggestions about rhetoric from the left (John Kerry once kidded with Bill Maher about going to the WH and shooting Bush). And there are uncountable other examples.

You want to sound balanced in the matter of Palin but you're not. You claim you believe what's been said about her is unfair then suggest she deserves it. To suggest her name popped into your head "immediately" tells us way more about your obsessions than anything else. If you were thinking Sarah Palin when you heard about this despicable act, then you've got a possibly terminal case of PDS. You're entitled not to like her, her politics, her language, her face or anything else. And you're even entitled to continue with this blood libel against her. But you shouldn't expect everyone who reads that vile language to let it go by unchallenged.

So, I hear on the radio that a Congresswoman is shot and I happen to think about 2nd Amendment Remedies and that makes me a PDS?

Too funny, dude, too funny.

Oh, and it wasn't me who thought of it. I just said I wasn't surprised at all that her name came up. And I'm still not surprised.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

I'm saying an environment of virulent rhetoric (from either or both sides) helps nobody and could increase the likelihood of partisans who felt there was no other way to achieve their ends to resort to violence, even though that is not the case here. Therefore, those of us who are in control of ourselves should use restraint. Indeed, even if there was no risk whatever of rhetoric leading down the slippery slope to violence, it would still be a good idea to do so, since it serves no good purpose.

Put me in, coach. I hope you understand me, because some snail darter is accusing me of not meeting his high rhetorical standards.

 

[Old Pio]

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OK...I can contribute something to this that doesn't point out what a mouth-breather Old Pio is. The problem is that both sides have valid points.

First, blaming Palin or that dude who ran against Giffords is brainless. This is surely coming from the same people who blamed Marilyn Manson's music or kids playing Grand Theft Auto.

Second, anyone remember when Kevin Garnett used a bunch of military/war terms when talking about playing basketball? He was universally panned and I think he might have been fined for it. I'm not saying that use of the language caused this, but why bother using it? It's not even an apt comparison.

See, I knew you could do it. I was in favor of "toning down the rhetoric" before last Saturday not because of last Saturday. To talk of "toning down the rhetoric," even the one sided conservative-only observations we've got non stop over the weekend, begs the question that someone like Loughner can be triggered by what he sees online or hears somewhere else. It may be possible, but so far, nobody's proven it. And even if it were true, we can't throw the First Amendment out the window because some unhinged dude somewhere might feel like he's been given permission to commit mass murder.

Phoenix area congressman Harry Mitchell, who got swept out of office in November, ran a spot in his earlier race against J.D. Hayworth in which crosshairs appeared over Hayworth's face. Was Mitchell advocating someone snipe Hayworth? If someone had sniped Hayworth, would Mitchell have been responsible? IMO, no. And if some conservative or Republican had gone on TV to suggest that, it would be as much of a blood libel as the garbage that's been thrown at Palin.

 

[Jon]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

First, blaming Palin or that dude who ran against Giffords is brainless. This is surely coming from the same people who blamed Marilyn Manson's music or kids playing Grand Theft Auto.

We all know that the real fault is that of Sista Soulja, Dungeons and Dragons and a seizure inducing episode of Pokemon. (kickin' it 90's style)

Also, if you're doing something because a politician told you to, you really need to get a grip. Whether you think Sarah Palin wants to you club a baby seal or that Obama is going to get you a new car if he wins, you're delusional.

 

[Priceless]

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The "illiteracy" thing isn't racist in nature. It's a reference to David Wynn Miller, of whom this nutcase was a "student". When he uses the term "illiteracy" he isn't talking about the ability to read and write. He's talking about those who "understand" the language (conspiracy theory) Miller espouses. That's why he says the "literacy rate" in CD-8 is 5%. He doesn't mean that only 5% of the people know how to read and write. He's estimating that only 5% of the people are "students" like him. He's vastly overestimating the 5%, since Miller claims to have "educated" over a billion people.

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[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

We all know that the real fault is that of Sista Soulja, Dungeons and Dragons and a seizure inducing episode of Pokemon. (kickin' it 90's style)

Also, if you're doing something because a politician told you to, you really need to get a grip. Whether you think Sarah Palin wants to you club a baby seal or that Obama is going to get you a new car if he wins, you're delusional.

Which rock act was it that got sued for putting "pro suicide" lyrics in some song back then? "Do it, do it, do it." One troubled kid did. Millions of others didn't. And this you can blame on the song?

 

[whatever]

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Apart from the totally one sided nature of this "analysis" is the folks advancing it have skipped right over correlation and gone straight to causation, without a scrap of evidence...

But then, in all matters politic, correlation does always equal causation.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Which rock act was it that got sued for putting "pro suicide" lyrics in some song back then? "Do it, do it, do it." One troubled kid did. Millions of others didn't. And this you can blame on the song?

Judas Priest

 

[Old Pio]

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But then, in all matters politic, correlation does always equal causation.

Only if you're talking about Repubicans or conservatives. If, for instance, you're talking about a Muslim "doctor" who hops up on a table, shouts "Allah Akhbar" and begins randomly shooting GI's, "we musn't jump to any conclusions."

 

[Priceless]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

Only if you're talking about Repubicans or conservatives. If, for instance, you're talking about a Muslim "doctor" who hops up on a table, shouts "Allah Akhbar" and begins randomly shooting GI's, "we musn't jump to any conclusions."

On the contrary, if he's Muslin we have to wipe out a whole race of people.

 

[DrDemento]

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On the contrary, if he's Muslin we have to wipe out a whole race of people.

Isn't muslin a type of sheet? As compared to percale?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If you lean to the left Bill O'Reilly would like to let you know that this tragedy is your fault. He's talking to you NY Times and MSNBC.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

If you lean to the left Bill O'Reilly would like to let you know that this tragedy is your fault. He's talking to you NY Times and MSNBC.

O'Reilly's an ignorant *******. When he loudly pontificated that Sean Hornbeck LIKED being sodomized just about every night by a 300 pound monster, he went on my lifetime ignore list. His "proof" was that Sean had chances to leave, and since he didn't, he must have liked getting buggered and the freedom not to go to school and play video games every day. What a monstrous thing to say about a kid who'd been kidnapped at gunpoint when he was about 10 or 11, and sodomized that first night. Clueless. He'd evidently never heard of Steve Stayner.

I rarely watched him before that, never since. And you can add Rivera to that list, because he compared Sean Hornbeck to Lee Boyd Malvo, who may have been the primary shooter in the Beltway Sniper case. He's another one. Putz.

Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with the outrage in Tucson, but these two dudes give me a case of the galloping red a*s.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

If you lean to the left Bill O'Reilly would like to let you know that this tragedy is your fault. He's talking to you NY Times and MSNBC.

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[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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It's funny, I don't remember a single one of your posts.

Of course not.

In your mind, evidently, anyone who disagrees with you is "defensive." Gotta just let you vomit your liberal offal all over the place without comment. So much for your dedication to a freee exchange of ideas. I could learn to live without your passive aggressive bull sh*t.

To be expected. Thank goodness we have you here to tell me what's in my mind.

BTW: Is it odd that O'Reilly is on your lifetime ignore list, and I actually think he's becoming more reasonable with age? At the least, he seems to have a better sense of humor about himself.

 

[gojackets]

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makes me wanna puke

 

[Old Pio]

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Of course not.



To be expected. Thank goodness we have you here to tell me what's in my mind.

BTW: Is it odd that O'Reilly is on your lifetime ignore list, and I actually think he's becoming more reasonable with age? At the least, he seems to have a better sense of humor about himself.

"Mommy. . .the snotty guy is back. Make him go away." Actually, I doubt there's anything on your mind except proving what a child you are, every chance you get. No instrument available to the public can measure my lack of interest in your opinion of Bill O'Reilly.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt

If you lean to the left Bill O'Reilly would like to let you know that this tragedy is your fault. He's talking to you NY Times and MSNBC.

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, however, I'm watching a clip of his opening talking points right now out of curiosity, and that doesn't seem to be even close to what he's saying.

He's criticizing the NYT and MSNBC to be sure, but he's criticizing them for their reaction the murders, not for causing them. Honestly, I'm struggling to see how you took that from what he said, other than willfully twisting it.

If anyone wants to judge for themselves, the video can be watched here.