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Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Could be, but I didn't get that. He thought Giffords was illiterate for not answering his question about the true meaning of words, and he thought his former friends were illiterate because they didn't "get" his dreamscape stories and nonsense statements about alternate realities. It's a literacy of madness and justification for it that he was after.
Could be, but I didn't get that. He thought Giffords was illiterate for not answering his question about the true meaning of words, and he thought his former friends were illiterate because they didn't "get" his dreamscape stories and nonsense statements about alternate realities. It's a literacy of madness and justification for it that he was after.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
It could have been anything. It could have been religion, or race, or even sports. It just happened to be politics. Paranoia will always find justification.
It could have been anything. It could have been religion, or race, or even sports. It just happened to be politics. Paranoia will always find justification.
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Bigot is better said. Mein Kampf was his favorite book.
Bigot is better said. Mein Kampf was his favorite book.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
AFAIK, the thing about books was that his Facebook entry had a list of books, and it included both Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, so there was plenty of both right wing and left wing craziness to go around.
This is getting to be like Bonfire of the Vanities.
Reporter: "How was he doing in school?"
Principal: "Well, sometimes he came to class. For the South Bronx that makes him an Honor Student."
Headline the next day: "Victim was Honor Student"
For the record, I didn't read his comments about illiteracy as code for The Brown Menace. I think he was saying "nobody else can understand the voices in my head."
AFAIK, the thing about books was that his Facebook entry had a list of books, and it included both Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, so there was plenty of both right wing and left wing craziness to go around.
This is getting to be like Bonfire of the Vanities.
Reporter: "How was he doing in school?"
Principal: "Well, sometimes he came to class. For the South Bronx that makes him an Honor Student."
Headline the next day: "Victim was Honor Student"
For the record, I didn't read his comments about illiteracy as code for The Brown Menace. I think he was saying "nobody else can understand the voices in my head."
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WeWantMore
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
There certainly was 'right wing craziness" but I think Mein Kampf is a poor example of that. Better to go with the Ayn Rand book.
There certainly was 'right wing craziness" but I think Mein Kampf is a poor example of that. Better to go with the Ayn Rand book.
To be fair, you were the one making movie references. And what is there to contribute? Saying that this is a tragedy? I think that's a given. Should I just spew hate speech and bullcrap at the opposite end of the political spectrum? What does that accomplish? Nah...pointing out your poor use of the language is a better use of my time.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
I don't care if he served, waving automatic weapons around as a symbol for your cause seems a little over the top. Not that it really matters, because I don't think it had a single thing to do with the incident.
This guys was a nutter, and pulled a nutter. I hope she ends up being okay and feel awful for the families of the ones that were lost.
I don't care if he served, waving automatic weapons around as a symbol for your cause seems a little over the top. Not that it really matters, because I don't think it had a single thing to do with the incident.
This guys was a nutter, and pulled a nutter. I hope she ends up being okay and feel awful for the families of the ones that were lost.
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Watch that youtube video and that reaffirms pure extremism of a variety of strains.
Watch that youtube video and that reaffirms pure extremism of a variety of strains.
theprofromdover
The Original Dope Detector
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
And it didn't take you any longer to come to that conclusion than the rest of us.
And it didn't take you any longer to come to that conclusion than the rest of us.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Loughner's YouTube videos look to me like the work of a delusional paranoid spouting a few philosophical and political buzzwords that he didn't understand.
Then again, so does this guy's website, and there are people who actually took him seriously.
Loughner's YouTube videos look to me like the work of a delusional paranoid spouting a few philosophical and political buzzwords that he didn't understand.
Then again, so does this guy's website, and there are people who actually took him seriously.
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He wasn't "waving" the gun around. It was a photo presumably taken overseas. He's a Marine. He was armed and he was in uniform. Andrew Sullivan (as only he would) made a big deal about the guy's pose--he was sitting down, with his legs spread apart. Sullivan, I'm sure, got a case of the vapors. His service is a credential. It may not be relevant to the job of representative exactly, but it's a credential. If he'd had a law degree from an Ivy, that would also be a credential. Politicians are always stressing their credentials. Including John Kerry who began his acceptance speech by announcing he was "reporting for duty," as if being an 0-3 in a war 30 years earlier was somehow an important credential for being POTUS. But it's a credential, and he had every right to let us know about it. i just wish those of us who are so upset about Kelly "exploiting his military service" would have shown the same concerns about Kerry.
Neither Kelly nor Palin bear any responsibility whatsoever for what happened Saturday. And it's a blood libel to suggest they do, absent any connection at all with Loughner. You're right. He's a nutter. Somebody once suggested Klebold and Harris were operating in a parallel reality. On Saturday night they went to their prom. On Monday they shot up the high school. Loughner may be worse than that, given that it's beginning to look like in recent months and weeks he was unspooling.
He wasn't "waving" the gun around. It was a photo presumably taken overseas. He's a Marine. He was armed and he was in uniform. Andrew Sullivan (as only he would) made a big deal about the guy's pose--he was sitting down, with his legs spread apart. Sullivan, I'm sure, got a case of the vapors. His service is a credential. It may not be relevant to the job of representative exactly, but it's a credential. If he'd had a law degree from an Ivy, that would also be a credential. Politicians are always stressing their credentials. Including John Kerry who began his acceptance speech by announcing he was "reporting for duty," as if being an 0-3 in a war 30 years earlier was somehow an important credential for being POTUS. But it's a credential, and he had every right to let us know about it. i just wish those of us who are so upset about Kelly "exploiting his military service" would have shown the same concerns about Kerry.
Neither Kelly nor Palin bear any responsibility whatsoever for what happened Saturday. And it's a blood libel to suggest they do, absent any connection at all with Loughner. You're right. He's a nutter. Somebody once suggested Klebold and Harris were operating in a parallel reality. On Saturday night they went to their prom. On Monday they shot up the high school. Loughner may be worse than that, given that it's beginning to look like in recent months and weeks he was unspooling.
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While I agree in the abstract, it's simply not realistic to suggest that the "tone" of political discourse in this country was "responsible" for setting this guy off. The "tone" was much less confrontational when Oswald murdered JFK or those PR nationalists murdered some congressmen or some other PR nationalists tried to kill Harry Truman.
Apart from the totally one sided nature of this "analysis" is the folks advancing it have skipped right over correlation and gone straight to causation, without a scrap of evidence. The fact that it's all from one side of the spectrum is also a problem. I see where some nitwit congressman is threatening to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use symbols of violence or hatred in campaigns. And who gets to makie the judgements on this particular attack on the First Amendment? Him? Jerrold Nadler? Maxine Waters?
While I agree in the abstract, it's simply not realistic to suggest that the "tone" of political discourse in this country was "responsible" for setting this guy off. The "tone" was much less confrontational when Oswald murdered JFK or those PR nationalists murdered some congressmen or some other PR nationalists tried to kill Harry Truman.
Apart from the totally one sided nature of this "analysis" is the folks advancing it have skipped right over correlation and gone straight to causation, without a scrap of evidence. The fact that it's all from one side of the spectrum is also a problem. I see where some nitwit congressman is threatening to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use symbols of violence or hatred in campaigns. And who gets to makie the judgements on this particular attack on the First Amendment? Him? Jerrold Nadler? Maxine Waters?
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Why don't you two girls start your own thread, then you can match each other stroke for stroke. Why clutter up this thread with your juvenilia?
And it didn't take you any longer to come to that conclusion than the rest of us.
Why don't you two girls start your own thread, then you can match each other stroke for stroke. Why clutter up this thread with your juvenilia?
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Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Oh, I understand now, your bloviations are a reaction to my poor use of the language. But tell me, if you're such an expert on usage, how come quotation marks caused you so much agita? Honestly, you're not nearly so profound as you think you are. And I would guess that even the people who think I'm a spring loaded dipstick wouldn't accuse me of (warning, quotation marks ahead) "poor use of the language".
Oh, I understand now, your bloviations are a reaction to my poor use of the language. But tell me, if you're such an expert on usage, how come quotation marks caused you so much agita? Honestly, you're not nearly so profound as you think you are. And I would guess that even the people who think I'm a spring loaded dipstick wouldn't accuse me of (warning, quotation marks ahead) "poor use of the language".
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
The guy was a nutter. We should all try to class it up a bit. These are not mutually exclusive.
The guy was a nutter. We should all try to class it up a bit. These are not mutually exclusive.
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Do we really believe Loughner actually read all or even some of these books? I have serious doubts.
Do we really believe Loughner actually read all or even some of these books? I have serious doubts.
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
What's your point here? The ones who should "class it up a bit" are the ones who waited about an hour on Saturday to start blamiong Sarah Palin. And what's not mutually exclusive? I don't understand (and not for the first time0.
What's your point here? The ones who should "class it up a bit" are the ones who waited about an hour on Saturday to start blamiong Sarah Palin. And what's not mutually exclusive? I don't understand (and not for the first time0.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
Quite simply, "Palin" should "class it up a bit" as well. Her rhetoric is not ok.
Although I think she is wrongly accused here, and any connection is ludicrous, I don't find it at all surprising that she is thought of immediately when something like this happens.
Quite simply, "Palin" should "class it up a bit" as well. Her rhetoric is not ok.
Although I think she is wrongly accused here, and any connection is ludicrous, I don't find it at all surprising that she is thought of immediately when something like this happens.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Arizona Congressman Gabrielle Giffords Apparantly Survives Assassination Attempt
I'm saying an environment of virulent rhetoric (from either or both sides) helps nobody and could increase the likelihood of partisans who felt there was no other way to achieve their ends to resort to violence, even though that is not the case here. Therefore, those of us who are in control of ourselves should use restraint. Indeed, even if there was no risk whatever of rhetoric leading down the slippery slope to violence, it would still be a good idea to do so, since it serves no good purpose.
I'm saying an environment of virulent rhetoric (from either or both sides) helps nobody and could increase the likelihood of partisans who felt there was no other way to achieve their ends to resort to violence, even though that is not the case here. Therefore, those of us who are in control of ourselves should use restraint. Indeed, even if there was no risk whatever of rhetoric leading down the slippery slope to violence, it would still be a good idea to do so, since it serves no good purpose.