Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

[Rhett]

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

NE-10 hockey tournament would be held at Tsongas Arena.

Love it.

This does great for the East, but if there are any D-II schools out West, they are basically screwed.

There are no western D-II programs. Minnesota-Crookston's folded program was the last non-NE-10 D-II program.

There could be 2 more shortly. British Columbia is expected to join NCAA II this month, and Lindenwood's men could follow their women at some point. Their ACHA team is actually a varsity program within their athletic department. Both likely have D-I aspirations, but a lot of that depends on NCAA red tape.

Frankly the odds on a D-I/II NCC are slim to none. The odds on a D-II/III NCC are a lot better (and cheaper).

Maybe II/III is more palatable... but I don't know of any II/III NCC sports. I think there would be fewer NCAA political barriers going to a I/II NCC.

 

[norm1909]

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Only one AQ. I'm sure the SUNYAc will be willing to give up a guaranteed AQ for an AQ that is essentially shared with the current ECAC West. That is as likely as hawk buying Charlie a steak or Norm praising something done by Delventhal

I did give him credit here.

 

[Saints17]

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From reliable sources...SUNY Canton will begin the paperwork next season to become a member of the ECAC West.

 

[elbojpb]

Canton

Canton

From reliable sources...SUNY Canton will begin the paperwork next season to become a member of the ECAC West.

And why not the SUNYAC? {scratches head}

 

[Saints17]

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And why not the SUNYAC? {scratches head}

I asked that same question and the response was the SUNYAC is not looking to add any more schools. Take it for what its worth.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Canton

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I asked that same question and the response was the SUNYAC is not looking to add any more schools. Take it for what its worth.

Makes it sound like the SUNYAC is going to accept Utica. Why else would they not want a 10th team?

 

[norm1909]

Re: Canton

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Makes it sound like the SUNYAC is going to accept Utica. Why else would they not want a 10th team?

Perhaps the SUNYAC wants all "available" sports or none at all, and perhaps Canton isn't to that level yet and the ECAC-West was more appealing than the NAIA.

 

[XYZ]

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If we're looking ~10 years out or so, has the thread really come this far without anyone mentioning the state of Michigan? Just wondering.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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If we're looking ~10 years out or so, has the thread really come this far without anyone mentioning the state of Michigan? Just wondering.

Most of the club programs I can think of off the top of my head are DI or DII schools.

 

[NUProf]

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Makes it sound like the SUNYAC is going to accept Utica. Why else would they not want a 10th team?

I'd guess the opposite, that the SUNYAC is not going to take any more associate members beyond Mo'ville. They could even encourage Mo'ville to go to the ECAC W and give them their long sought after 7th member. If it happened that way, we'd be down to two Pool C selections.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Canton

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I'd guess the opposite, that the SUNYAC is not going to take any more associate members beyond Mo'ville. They could even encourage Mo'ville to go to the ECAC W and give them their long sought after 7th member. If it happened that way, we'd be down to two Pool C selections.

Not that I personally would want to see it happen (though I would like to see the ECAC-W with 7 teams), but logistically, IMO should Canton go to the ECAC-W, encouraging Potsdam to go to the ECAC-W makes more sense than Morrisville.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Canton

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Not that I personally would want to see it happen (though I would like to see the ECAC-W with 7 teams), but logistically, IMO should Canton go to the ECAC-W, encouraging Potsdam to go to the ECAC-W makes more sense than Morrisville.

My thought is that the SUNYAC may be rethinking the associate member for one sport thing. I'm guessing Utica won't get in and I'm guessing Canton knew they (Canton) wouldn't get in. Adding Canton will at least make up for losing LVC in the ECAC W.

 

[norm1909]

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My thought is that the SUNYAC may be rethinking the associate member for one sport thing. I'm guessing Utica won't get in and I'm guessing Canton knew they (Canton) wouldn't get in. Adding Canton will at least make up for losing LVC in the ECAC W.

+1

However, eventually, in the not so distant future, that Canton will be a full SUNYAC member - IMO.

 

[NUProf]

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Re: Canton

+1

However, eventually, in the not so distant future, that Canton will be a full SUNYAC member - IMO.

From what I've read they have a different league in mind for their NCAA home.

 

[norm1909]

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From what I've read they have a different league in mind for their NCAA home.

Certainly SUNYIT (which as a strong athletic commitment) as well as some SUNY schools with limited athletic commitment have gone the way of another league, but from a somewhat biased opinion, the SUNYAC is attractive, as it consistently holds their own (NCAA championship wise), and would be hard pressed not to accept them as a full (all applicable sports) member. Canton has shown a strong commitment to their entire athletic department, they may wade in other waters until the right moment, but I don't see them staying away.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

An update,of sorts, re:NE-10. there appears to be a meeting scheduled of all interested NE 10 Presidents to formally determine their commitment to varsity ice hockey.
It is anticipated, that a few teams will not commit and that will leave the remaining teams to determine a strategy for dealing with the NCAA.
At least one president has stated that he believes that his team should be grandfathered in, as they had a team prior to the 1999 NCAA change, as long as they continue to abide by DIII rules.
If people remember, that for a time their was a DII National championship that was later discontinued by the NCAA ofr lack of required teams. It is the feeling of the presidents, that the NCAA instituted the divisional change without due consultation, not based on complaints from DIII schools but simply to make their life easier with total disregard of the long term negative consequences to existing teams by their actions.
On another front, there is talk of forcing AIC,Bentley, Merrimack and Lowell to drop down to DII in hockey or leave the NE 10 in all sports.
This mess is totally caused by the NCAA and it is the feeling that they should fix it.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

An update,of sorts, re:NE-10. there appears to be a meeting scheduled of all interested NE 10 Presidents to formally determine their commitment to varsity ice hockey.
It is anticipated, that a few teams will not commit and that will leave the remaining teams to determine a strategy for dealing with the NCAA.
At least one president has stated that he believes that his team should be grandfathered in, as they had a team prior to the 1999 NCAA change, as long as they continue to abide by DIII rules.
If people remember, that for a time their was a DII National championship that was later discontinued by the NCAA ofr lack of required teams. It is the feeling of the presidents, that the NCAA instituted the divisional change without due consultation, not based on complaints from DIII schools but simply to make their life easier with total disregard of the long term negative consequences to existing teams by their actions.
On another front, there is talk of forcing AIC,Bentley, Merrimack and Lowell to drop down to DII in hockey or leave the NE 10 in all sports.
This mess is totally caused by the NCAA and it is the feeling that they should fix it.

It's not for the NCAA to fix in a vacuum. They (the NE-10) need to propose some kind of NCAA action/remedy - be proactive instead of reactive... if they don't St. Mike's and St. A's (which are the only two truly competitive DII programs that are playing at the DIII level) will be left out.

 

[joecct]

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

An update,of sorts, re:NE-10. there appears to be a meeting scheduled of all interested NE 10 Presidents to formally determine their commitment to varsity ice hockey.
It is anticipated, that a few teams will not commit and that will leave the remaining teams to determine a strategy for dealing with the NCAA.
At least one president has stated that he believes that his team should be grandfathered in, as they had a team prior to the 1999 NCAA change, as long as they continue to abide by DIII rules.
If people remember, that for a time their was a DII National championship that was later discontinued by the NCAA ofr lack of required teams. It is the feeling of the presidents, that the NCAA instituted the divisional change without due consultation, not based on complaints from DIII schools but simply to make their life easier with total disregard of the long term negative consequences to existing teams by their actions.
On another front, there is talk of forcing AIC,Bentley, Merrimack and Lowell to drop down to DII in hockey or leave the NE 10 in all sports.
This mess is totally caused by the NCAA and it is the feeling that they should fix it.

I fully align myself with the remarks of the distinguished Dartmouth graduate, but that would mean that it would be a D-I/II National Collegiate Championship..

For the first two, no problem. For the latter....OMG.

On a somewhat related point on the other side of the great divide.... Chris Lerch reported in the FF blog that the Liberty League is thinking of forming a hockey leauge. The teams would be Clarkson, St. Lawrence, RPI, Union, RIT, and Colgate. I would add Canisius and Niagara to make it an 8 team league. But until I see it on paper or the NCAA Nooz of the Day, I don't believe it.

 

[dreamer6]

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

An update,of sorts, re:NE-10. there appears to be a meeting scheduled of all interested NE 10 Presidents to formally determine their commitment to varsity ice hockey.
It is anticipated, that a few teams will not commit and that will leave the remaining teams to determine a strategy for dealing with the NCAA.
At least one president has stated that he believes that his team should be grandfathered in, as they had a team prior to the 1999 NCAA change, as long as they continue to abide by DIII rules.
If people remember, that for a time their was a DII National championship that was On another front, there is talk of forcing AIC,Bentley, Merrimack and Lowell to drop down to DII in hockey or leave the NE 10 in all sports.
This mess is totally caused by the NCAA and it is the feeling that they should fix it.

Any idea when the meeting is going to take place? Also, I cannot imagine Merrimack or Lowell dropping down, never gonna happen!

 

[elbojpb]

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Chris Lerch reported in the FF blog that the Liberty League is thinking of forming a hockey leauge. The teams would be Clarkson, St. Lawrence, RPI, Union, RIT, and Colgate. I would add Canisius and Niagara to make it an 8 team league. But until I see it on paper or the NCAA Nooz of the Day, I don't believe it.

I believe that Hobart is a Liberty League member for other-than-hockey athletics, and they play up in lacrosse. That would pose an interesting conundrum.