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Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Ok, then any idea who will they play? Let's say for argument purposes they play all the other DII's 3 times,assuming there will be 4 other DII's, then that will give them 15 games.Where do they find 10 games . Or to make it easier, they play each other 4 times, how do they get to 25 games, so that a Varsity team makes sense.

I think they will both be reclassified to D3 by 2013. There is absolutely no reason for SMC to be a D2 school, they give approx 20 scholarships --all in basketball, which is not a very strong program. St. A's gives more scholarships than St. Mikes, about 30. They both have decent hockey programs and hopefully they will be out of limbo by 2013.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

I think they will both be reclassified to D3 by 2013. There is absolutely no reason for SMC to be a D2 school, they give approx 20 scholarships --all in basketball, which is not a very strong program. St. A's gives more scholarships than St. Mikes, about 30. They both have decent hockey programs and hopefully they will be out of limbo by 2013.

If this happens, they will be in limbo as they reclassify - as a "dirty" DII program they would be provisional DIII members for 4 years until all the "tainted" scholarship athletes are out of the system. The good news is that it would cure the "games don't count" issue because their games would count for selection purposes. The bad news is that they wouldn't be eligible for post season play (in any sport) until the probationary period is completed.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

If this happens, they will be in limbo as they reclassify - as a "dirty" DII program they would be provisional DIII members for 4 years until all the "tainted" scholarship athletes are out of the system. The good news is that it would cure the "games don't count" issue because their games would count for selection purposes. The bad news is that they wouldn't be eligible for post season play (in any sport) until the probationary period is completed.

They compete all year against the ECAC-E teams and then they cannot play in the ECAC-E post-season now. Let's be honest, the NE-10 tournament is not the same caliber as the ECAC-E tournament, so it does not seem like much of a concern. I do have a question though, would the games count immediately for the other league members or once the probationary period is completed?
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

They compete all year against the ECAC-E teams and then they cannot play in the ECAC-E post-season now. Let's be honest, the NE-10 tournament is not the same caliber as the ECAC-E tournament, so it does not seem like much of a concern. I do have a question though, would the games count immediately for the other league members or once the probationary period is completed?

Immediately. When Morrisville was joining DIII a few years ago, the games counted for the teams immediately, even though Mo'ville was still in its probationary period.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Oh, that is good...I thought that was what NUProf meant.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

A thought or two to remember. No school is going to reclassify downward because it benefits one sport. The decision to go down to D-III must benefit the ENTIRE athletic program and must be approved by the administration, the trustees, and (probably most importantly) the alums. Wishes on the D-II/III board don't carry much water in the ivy covered halls...
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

A thought or two to remember. No school is going to reclassify downward because it benefits one sport. The decision to go down to D-III must benefit the ENTIRE athletic program and must be approved by the administration, the trustees, and (probably most importantly) the alums. Wishes on the D-II/III board don't carry much water in the ivy covered halls...

The rumors have circulated for a while that Mike's is considering moving the whole program to DIII - the fact that they stayed in the ECAC E under the conditions given them suggests that there is some flame to the smoke there.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

The rumors have circulated for a while that Mike's is considering moving the whole program to DIII - the fact that they stayed in the ECAC E under the conditions given them suggests that there is some flame to the smoke there.
The issue for St.Mike's is the same for St.A's, hockey aside, where is the league for them to move to from the NE-10 for all sports. I'm assuming that St.Mike's would love to move to the Liberty League, but the fact that hasn't happened looks to me like to me that maybe the league is not interested in them.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

the issue for st.mike's is the same for st.a's, hockey aside, where is the league for them to move to from the ne-10 for all sports. I'm assuming that st.mike's would love to move to the liberty league, but the fact that hasn't happened looks to me like to me that maybe the league is not interested in them.

gnac?
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

The issue for St.Mike's is the same for St.A's, hockey aside, where is the league for them to move to from the NE-10 for all sports. I'm assuming that St.Mike's would love to move to the Liberty League, but the fact that hasn't happened looks to me like to me that maybe the league is not interested in them.
Liberty League? I think they're in a different region. (Yep - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/championships/basketball/DIIIRegionsMap.pdf).

NB: Hamilton is still in the Liberty League, but when (if) they leave for the NESCAC in all sports, RIT is coming in either next year or the year after (which kind of shoots the out of region argument out the window, doesn't it?)
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Originall posted by Dreamer 6
I think they will both be reclassified to D3 by 2013. There is absolutely no reason for SMC to be a D2 school, they give approx 20 scholarships --all in basketball, which is not a very strong program. St. A's gives more scholarships than St. Mikes, about 30. They both have decent hockey programs and hopefully they will be out of limbo by 2013.

Dream on on this one ...
People you have to stop looking at this with your hockey colored glasses on ... Both schools have long histories in D-2 Hoop ... St. A's is good every year and St. Mike's, with a young team, just had their best season in a decade. Their alumni are hoop oriented ... hockey is clearly the number two winter sport at both schools.
IMO St. Mike's and St.A's will wave bye bye to hockey before they will move hoop down to D-3.
 
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Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Playing the absolute maximum amount of games and having a slim chance at the NCAA tournament are things that are often way more important to people on message boards than they are to the colleges themselves.

Administrator A: "Hey, we have a program that brings in 30 tuition paying students; brings in some of our only students from midwestern states and Canada; fills a dozen dates at our on campus arena [applies to St. Anselm, not the rest of the NE-10]; and keeps a small, but dedicated, part of our alumni base happy. But, there's a problem."
Administrator B: "Sounds great so far... what's the problem?"
Administrator A: "After playing our league schedule and a half dozen local rivals with [loyalty to us; no championship aspirations; another sensible reason] we fall 3 or 4 games short of the maximum allowable games every year! Plus, even though we get to play in our conference tournament, our division doesn't have a national championship, so we don't have a 1 in 8 to 10 chance of being shipped to a school in Vermont or New York to lose a one-and-done playoff game on a Wednesday night at the end of the season."
Administrator B: "My Goodness! Suspend sponsorship of that program!"

See how silly that is? You guys see it, right?

There are problems with the current set-up, and everything possible should be done to make things more equitable for the D-II schools, but things are not nearly as dire as some people here suggest. Please, stop making half-cocked suggestions about what reasonably healthy programs, with problems that are more important to message board posters than most school administrators, are going to suddenly shutter their programs in the next couple of years.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Liberty League? I think they're in a different region. (Yep - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/championships/basketball/DIIIRegionsMap.pdf).

NB: Hamilton is still in the Liberty League, but when (if) they leave for the NESCAC in all sports, RIT is coming in either next year or the year after (which kind of shoots the out of region argument out the window, doesn't it?)

You can join a league that is out of your region.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

Liberty League? I think they're in a different region. (Yep - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/championships/basketball/DIIIRegionsMap.pdf).

NB: Hamilton is still in the Liberty League, but when (if) they leave for the NESCAC in all sports, RIT is coming in either next year or the year after (which kind of shoots the out of region argument out the window, doesn't it?)

Hamilton is leaving the Liberty League in all sports at the end of this academic year. All sports will be NESCAC starting in fall 2011.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

And if you do, your conference games still count as being in-region.

I know. As do games within a certain mileage of your schoool even if they are out of region and out of conference.
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

I don't understand why the D-II schools haven't proposed NCAA legislation to allow them to play D-III hockey. How complicated can this be? There are only six schools competing at the D-II level, all D-III schools approve of their competing in D-III, what is the problem?
 
Re: Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

I don't understand why the D-II schools haven't proposed NCAA legislation to allow them to play D-III hockey. How complicated can this be? There are only six schools competing at the D-II level, all D-III schools approve of their competing in D-III, what is the problem?

It's never been on the NCAA agenda. I don't know why. The cleanest way to do it is for DII to establish a scholarship level of 0 for hockey and then propose, since DII has no national championship, that a combined (or National Collegiate) championship be established. The reason for the 0 is that in an NCC, each school is governed by the rules of their division. If DII were not set to 0, there would be no hope of getting DIII to agree. (This suggestion is courtesy of joecct, and I'm just advocating for it).
 
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