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Any Potential new DIII Programs and the future of the Northeast 10 DII teams?

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jemica said:
With DII teams in limbo, have any players committed(I know) to attending these schools?
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DII teams have been in limbo for years. Why should this year be any different? Kids choose schools for lots of reasons, and the ability to compete for a national championship is just one of many factors. I am sure those schools are facing the same challenges they always have attracting kids, many of which are the same challenges everyone faces.
 
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The DII's will always be able to attract to students to their respective schools to play hockey.And this year will not be an exception. Saint A's and St.mike's have approx. a 50/50 split between preps and juniors which make them a little different from some of their hockey peers. They don't usually compete with the Norwich, SMU,Castleton NEC group for players, so for the most part they go head to head with Babson, Skidmore, Hobart etc for the players that can't get into NESCAC or are bubble DI players.
They lose kids to these schools because they can't play for a national or even a conference title.
The big issues for them are can the kid do the work academically and can they meet his financial need. St.A's does not have money set aside for any foreign student so as result it is a little more difficult for them attracting players. Difficult but not impossible.
even with a club team, they will find kids who want good academics and a chance to play hockey. But this is a new year and we will see
 
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NUProf said:
From what I've read they have a different league in mind for their NCAA home.
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If Canton does go DIII. Would it be possible for them to join the NE 10 if the D2 schools are allowed by the NCAA to compete at the D3 level, then they could receive an AQ as they would be it's 7th conference member.

What league would they go into?
 
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Saints17 said:
From reliable sources...SUNY Canton will begin the paperwork next season to become a member of the ECAC West.[/QUOTE

With the NCAA cracking down on Potsdam for giving out scholarships. I am sure that the people at Canton would only look to apply to be in the West if the SUNYAC did not take them as associate members. From my understanding the last thing I heard from someone about Canton was that they didn't even apply for membership into the NCAA yet but for some reason the athletic program was going to join the USCAA this year. There is no way Canton could compete in the west unless the NCAA stopped the giving of scholarships that are going on at those private schools.
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cooperalls said:
If Canton does go DIII. Would it be possible for them to join the NE 10 if the D2 schools are allowed by the NCAA to compete at the D3 level, then they could receive an AQ as they would be it's 7th conference member.

What league would they go into?
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Nope

The NE10 is a D2 league in all sports. You can't bring in somebody who is not in your division to play in your league (and have the games count).
 
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The more I think about it, and looking @ college hockey as a whole, the best solution for ALL the D-II schools, not just our Silenced Six, is to form a D-I/II National Collegiate Championship for Men's Ice Hockey.

1) This mirrors the women
2) The impeding re-alignment of D-I (see the BTHC effect) may have the schools group by resources, not playing level. The D-II's have nowhere near the money than the D-I's and the BCS schools have more money that anyone. If the D-II's can form up around the existing conferences, they may gain leverage, rather than sticking in a single sport conference, and play in the money championship.
3) Canadian schools. Canadian colleges are coming into the NCAA as D-II members. If Western Canada schools come in with any numbers, the 2 Alaska schools have a ready made, dollar saving conference.
4) D-III becomes pure - which will tickle the Ivories.
5) May actually encourage expansion. Cost containment conferences can exist at D-I and D-II, as well as the sky is the limit conference(s). If you're thinking of forming a hockey team, you may not have to break the bank.
6) Least disruption. 4 schools have to goose the program, but not too much. Remember most colleges pick and choose which sports they want to dominate in and keep the rest at a "maintenance" level. The Forgotten 4 probably would never compete for a NE-10 title, but they would have an NCAA team. They're lots of schools who fill that model in lots of sports.
 
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Not ice hockey, but a DI going to DIII here.

Also no ice hockey, but a new NCAA DIII school joining Elmira & RIT.

Schools can move if motivated.

According to NCAA.org, the purpose of Division III is to provide for “passionate participation in a competitive athletic environment, where student-athletes push themselves to excellence, build upon their academic success with new challenges and life skills, and are encouraged to pursue the full spectrum of opportunities available during their time in college.”
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norm1909 said:
Also no ice hockey, but a new NCAA DIII school joining Elmira & RIT.
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That article didn't do their research. RIT is leaving Empire 8 after this school year to join the Liberty League next Fall. That is why talk of a Liberty League D1 hockey conference has started.

And how can you be 65 miles south of Rochester and Buffalo, considering Rochester and Buffalo are 60 miles apart in an east/west direction? Just a terrible article.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
That article didn't do their research. RIT is leaving Empire 8 after this school year to join the Liberty League next Fall. That is why talk of a Liberty League D1 hockey conference has started.

And how can you be 65 miles south of Rochester and Buffalo, considering Rochester and Buffalo are 60 miles apart in an east/west direction? Just a terrible article.
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65 miles as the crow flies southwest of Rochester and southeast of buffalo?I don't think it's too far off. Ive been there for a cross country meet before and it certainly is in the middle of no where.
 
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And Houghton keeps the AQ in the E8 after RIT joins the Liberty League.

But, I always though Houghton was on the Upper Peninsula??
 
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joecct said:
And Houghton keeps the AQ in the E8 after RIT joins the Liberty League.
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They already have EIGHT teams without RIT (Alfred, Elmira, Hartwick, Ithaca, Nazareth, St. John Fisher, Stevens, Utica). Like the Big 10, the Empire 8 is incapable of counting, as they currently have nine teams and will again when Houghton joins. The AQ was not in danger.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
They already have EIGHT teams without RIT (Alfred, Elmira, Hartwick, Ithaca, Nazareth, St. John Fisher, Stevens, Utica). Like the Big 10, the Empire 8 is incapable of counting, as they currently have nine teams and will again when Houghton joins. The AQ was not in danger.
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Lax? Not every sport has every team.

IIRC, with Hamilton leaving the Liberty League, the lax conference dropped to 6 active members. RIT brings it back to 7.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
That article didn't do their research. RIT is leaving Empire 8 after this school year to join the Liberty League next Fall. That is why talk of a Liberty League D1 hockey conference has started.

And how can you be 65 miles south of Rochester and Buffalo, considering Rochester and Buffalo are 60 miles apart in an east/west direction? Just a terrible article.
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Ever hear of an equilateral triangle?
 
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joecct said:
But it does not matter how good or bad your athletic program is. You're there for the education and playing for your school.
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I agree, but why add a school to your conference that adds relatively nothing in terms of athletics? Keep it at 8, don't drag the league reputation down.
 
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