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CanHockGuy said:
Well, there it is. A great playoffs and a great season. But can we get Toronto somewhere near the playoffs next year? Sorry....
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A great playoff run it was. Lots of Drama, some unexpected results, some unexpected heros and some fantastic hockey.
 
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It's too bad the game last night had to end the way it did. The winner was eerily similar to the goal Crosby scored at the Olympics. At least the CBC crew, especially Healy, kept their mouth's shut and so they should have. What's done is done. I'm sure we'll here a lot about it today though.
 
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Chicago.. Chicago, boy, do they know how to party up a championship or what! The Canadian kids are taking a punch with the commercials but what about that American kid with the taxi cab thing. Beautiful! Kind of like cigars and beer! Black Hawks..... ya! :D
 
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Habs given bill for rioting. Cops claim it cost Montreal $305,000 and want them to pay for it. Looks good on them huh 5-4? :)
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Habs given bill for rioting. Cops claim it cost Montreal $305,000 and want them to pay for it. Looks good on them huh 5-4? :)
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Round it off at $1 million...that oughta do it.

The only other place that is worse is Vancouver.. where the city was gutted after a Guns & Roses concert was cancelled. :rolleyes:
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
Round it off at $1 million...that oughta do it.

The only other place that is worse is Vancouver.. where the city was gutted after a Guns & Roses concert was cancelled. :rolleyes:
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Soccer has a far worse rep than hockey and rock concerts...for example...the drug lord-ordered execution of a Colombian National player after he accidentally scored an "own goal" in a World Cup game...very nice!!
 
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SeymoreHockey said:
Soccer has a far worse rep than hockey and rock concerts...for example...the drug lord-ordered execution of a Colombian National player after he accidentally scored an "own goal" in a World Cup game...very nice!!
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There have been many casualties over the years as a result of soccer violence. Some of the most famous are the Brussels Massacre between Juventus and Liverpool fans, the tragedy in Sheffield England and the incident in Moskow where 340 people died in a EUFA cup match. That last incident was covered up for years by the Russians. There have been some fairly recent tragedies (mostly stampedes of crowds) at various African matches.
 
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SeymoreHockey said:
Soccer has a far worse rep than hockey and rock concerts...for example...the drug lord-ordered execution of a Colombian National player after he accidentally scored an "own goal" in a World Cup game...very nice!!
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Wow Seymore, I remember hearing about that....I guess that means Leighton in hockey, that English goalie from the other day in soccer, and that poor golfer(chopper) that imploded yesterday, had better keep their heads up. :eek:
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Wow Seymore, I remember hearing about that....I guess that means Leighton in hockey, that English goalie from the other day in soccer, and that poor golfer(chopper) that imploded yesterday, had better keep their heads up. :eek:
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Can you imagine how hard hockey players would go if they knew that if they failed to perform, they'd be lined up and summarily shot in the head?? No more cherry pickers!! :eek: :eek:
 
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You know, something that I've been wondering about with all this soccer stuff going on is why do Canadians suck at it? We're the Toronto Maple Leafs in soccer world. It seems that we hardly ever qualify for anything, yet there are elite programs all over the place. Some of the kids I've coached in the past have been involved with them, and have attained scholarships and whatnot, but why are we so bad? Are they afraid of making a mistake? :eek: Good hockey players we can produce, but soccer players, notta. At least not enough of them at the International level. Obviously I'm not a soccer guy. Can anyone help me with this? :)
 
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CanHockGuy said:
You know, something that I've been wondering about with all this soccer stuff going on is why do Canadians suck at it? We're the Toronto Maple Leafs in soccer world. It seems that we hardly ever qualify for anything, yet there are elite programs all over the place. Some of the kids I've coached in the past have been involved with them, and have attained scholarships and whatnot, but why are we so bad? Are they afraid of making a mistake? :eek: Good hockey players we can produce, but soccer players, notta. At least not enough of them at the International level. Obviously I'm not a soccer guy. Can anyone help me with this? :)
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I grew up with the game accross the pond. As a teenager, the dream was to play in the World Cup, just like in Canada the dream is to play for the Stanley Cup. My first soccer memories were of Pele hoisting the crown in Mexico in 1970.

The best athletes in most soccer mad nations play soccer (actually it's called football everywhere except in NA). There is a large number of grass roots development programs, with many tiers and levels starting at age 8. Identification of top talent from age 10-12 onwards is customary in the better developed European nations. These youngsters are then developed by the junior systems run by the professional clubs, similar to what the Junior Canadians did back in the day prior to the NHL draft. In the big soccer countries like England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands they have 3 to 4 levels of Professional soccer, with a top tier amateur level right below it.

The development system is vastly different in South America and Africa. They find their footballers on the dusty pitches, just like MLB finds baseball players in the sandlots of the caribean, and the Colleges finds basketball players on the courts in the hoods. In more recent years a lot of young prodigees from Argentina and Brazil find their way at an early age into the youth systems in Europa (Romario and Messi are two good examples).

While they have come a long way in the last 25 years, both Canada and the US still have a long way to go to match the European system. The US can compete somewhat due to sheer numbers. Canada is not so lucky, plus it is hard to play soccer there in the winter.

For comparison, there is no professional system in the Womens game, and so the US is actually a dominant nation in soccer on the female side.
 
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OnMAA said:
I grew up with the game accross the pond. As a teenager, the dream was to play in the World Cup, just like in Canada the dream is to play for the Stanley Cup. My first soccer memories were of Pele hoisting the crown in Mexico in 1970.

The best athletes in most soccer mad nations play soccer (actually it's called football everywhere except in NA). There is a large number of grass roots development programs, with many tiers and levels starting at age 8. Identification of top talent from age 10-12 onwards is customary in the better developed European nations. These youngsters are then developed by the junior systems run by the professional clubs, similar to what the Junior Canadians did back in the day prior to the NHL draft. In the big soccer countries like England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands they have 3 to 4 levels of Professional soccer, with a top tier amateur level right below it.

The development system is vastly different in South America and Africa. They find their footballers on the dusty pitches, just like MLB finds baseball players in the sandlots of the caribean, and the Colleges finds basketball players on the courts in the hoods. In more recent years a lot of young prodigees from Argentina and Brazil find their way at an early age into the youth systems in Europa (Romario and Messi are two good examples).

While they have come a long way in the last 25 years, both Canada and the US still have a long way to go to match the European system. The US can compete somewhat due to sheer numbers. Canada is not so lucky, plus it is hard to play soccer there in the winter.

For comparison, there is no professional system in the Womens game, and so the US is actually a dominant nation in soccer on the female side.
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Ya, I kind of figured it was the system. Thanks. Plenty of other countries have also struggled with getting it, as the gaffs are piling up. Maybe there is severe voodoo involved here.:eek: You know, previous girlfriends and whatever. ;) THAT might even distract a hockey player. :D
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Ya, I kind of figured it was the system. Thanks. Plenty of other countries have also struggled with getting it, as the gaffs are piling up. Maybe there is severe voodoo involved here.:eek: You know, previous girlfriends and whatever. ;) THAT might even distract a hockey player. :D
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One other important factor is regulations to play. When I was growing up, you were allowed to play ONLY once per week at the club level. If you were called up to the A team, your were not allowed to play on the same weekend for the B team, even if you sat on the bench for the A team.

As a result the practice to game ratio was often 4-1 to 5-1, depending on the level and age. Once you get to age 16, you were practicing 3 to 4 times a week, 1.5 hours to 2 hours at the time, with one 2x30 minute game on Saturdays. Skill development was paramount to get to the next level at each stage.

Over here in NA they seem to focus to much on playing games and not enough on basic skill development. Even in hockey that is true to some extent.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
...and OnMAA....not a word about your orange....Hmmmm. :confused:
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Don't you worry. Decked out in all the right paraphanalia on the days they play. "Oranje Boven"... Ik laat de leeuw niet in zijn hemptje staan. (I knew there was a reason I was attracted to the Flyers and the Volunteers :) )
 
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OnMAA said:
Don't you worry. Decked out in all the right paraphanalia on the days they play. "Oranje Boven"... Ik laat de leeuw niet in zijn hemptje staan. (I knew there was a reason I was attracted to the Flyers and the Volunteers :) )
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Is that Syracuse, Clemson, or Denver?.......Hmmm :D
 
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