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All Things DU XXV - Murray Up and Get The Chevy Out of The Repair Shop

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Re: All Things DU XXV - Murray Up and Get The Chevy Out of The Repair Shop

You are calling someone obnoxious, rude, bombastic (LOL), a bully, comparing him to a little kid, etc...

Then you say that you don't see the need to make personal attacks.

Are you that confused that you forgot you just went off on someone? That you just made personal attacks, yourself?

Keep reading Chris. A couple of posts later, you'll get to the part where I acknowledge that I did exactly what annoyed me about Old Pio. And apologized for it.
 
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Perhaps we've seen that contiuum:

Passive-------------------Assertive-----------------Aggressive

Among my many character flaws is the tendency to sometimes skip right over assertive and get to aggressive.

Anybody remember the scene in War Games where Matthew Broderick goes to his computer geek friends to figure out how to get in to "Protovision's" system? And the one geek is acting obnoxiously, and the other geek says: "Remember you told me to tell you when you were acting rudely and insensitively. Remember that? You're doing it right now."

I'm feeling like the first geek, and. . . . . .
 
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Keep reading Chris. A couple of posts later, you'll get to the part where I acknowledge that I did exactly what annoyed me about Old Pio. And apologized for it.

OK. :)
 
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Jeez-had a blackout in my neighborhood last night and missed the fireworks.
 
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no $h1t eh?! Go to sleep for a few hours, and miss the great apocalypse.

r
All is not well in Pioneer Nation. When the team is supposed to go 42-0-0 and win the National Championship, the natives get restless when we hit a few bumps in the road. :D
 
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Is there a Direct TV listing thread somewhere here? Being a bye weekend, I need to find some other games to watch. I see Quinniapac is on NESN tonight. Any WCHA games on FSN anywhere?
 
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All is not well in Pioneer Nation. When the team is supposed to go 42-0-0 and win the National Championship, the natives get restless when we hit a few bumps in the road. :D

The last thing I will say is that if Gwoz is saying a player didn't play the last several minutes of the game when in fact that player did play, I have to wonder why he did that. Given his reputation for being a stand-up guy, it seems odd.

I predict that DU will split this weekend with a pair of scoreless ties.
 
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Is there a Direct TV listing thread somewhere here? Being a bye weekend, I need to find some other games to watch. I see Quinniapac is on NESN tonight. Any WCHA games on FSN anywhere?
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/tvsked.php


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Alaska-Anchorage vs. Wisconsin	Nov. 13	7:07 	FSN W	[B]669[/B]	
Harvard vs. Quinnipiac	        Nov. 13	7:30 	NESN	[B]628[/B]
Michigan State vs. Michigan	Nov. 13	7:35 	FSND	[B]663[/B]
Bemidji State vs. Minnesota	Nov. 14	7:37 	FSN N	[B]668	[/B]
Western Michigan vs. Ohio State	Nov. 14	8:05 	FSND 	[B]663[/B]	
Bemidji State vs. Minnesota	Nov. 15	6:07 	FSN N	[B]668[/B]
 
Re: All Things DU XXV - Murray Up and Get The Chevy Out of The Repair Shop

Interesting confluence of personalities and board styles. Since I know most of them personally, here's my take:

Old Pio - I've known him personally since the mid 1980s and he's smart, articulate, entertaining and aggressive when he believes he is right, which is most of the time. Can outwrite and outthink most posters with his depth of knowledge which extends well beyond hockey. Mess with him at your peril, intellectually speaking. Sensitivity may not be his strongest suit, but this is a message board, not a support group. He's one of the very best posters around, and I'm really glad to see him on the boards with more frequency.

Duper - Also smart and well-read. Has a huge heart and a deep personal need to reach out to help the oppressed and to correct injustice whenever he sees it, as reflected in his life choice to relocate to the one of the most remote parts of Alaska to teach and help kids with the odds stacked against them. His hockey knowledge may not as deep as some around here, but his heart more than makes up for it. He is never afraid to call out his DU posting teammates when something doesn't see right to him, and usually, we are better for it in the long run.

Chris - Chris knows his hockey, and has been privy to a lot of inside stuff over many years due to his connections to people in the WCHA. This inside information informs his postings, and his personality is such that he will scrap online when he thinks people are misinformed, or being arrogant. His many years of battles with Randy May were classics around here. I know he enjoys a good online scrap, and that's just part of his persona.

Suze - I don't know her personally, but when she's not cheering on her hometown UAA Seawolves, she's been a huge supporter of DU over the years. She's also been very kind to host DU posters like dubbie31 and Co14ers when they went up to Alaska a few years ago. She's obviously a good person who deserves our respect, even when her arguments may have some flaws.

On this issue, Suze has seen what she believes to be video evidence that a UAA player was wrongly penalized for what she believes to be a clean hip check. We all look at video evidence through the filter of the team we follow - looking for evidence to back the assertion that our team is on the right side of the law and that the other side is wrong. Because she is firm in her interpretation of the video evidence, her logic dicates that all subsequent Denver medical, journalistic and coaching interpretations of the same event are therefore fundamentally flawed, if not outright misleading or lies. Her logic may be clear to make such a claim - after all, it's all on the tape, right? Not always.

The reality is far murkier than a straight video interpretation. What her argument lacks is the respect for the insights of people who are even closer to the situation beyond the video - the Denver players, coaches, medical realities and the journalistic reporting of the event, all of whom may see the same situation differently and may interpret the tape, the motivation of the players involved and the outcome far differently.

Most players, coaches and journalists in this league don't set out to lie or deceive anyone. They are simply presenting the version that they believe to be true. Everyone needs to open their mind a little bit and understand that a most UAA fans are going to look at the tape see just a clean check, and a Denver person is going to see perhaps something other than a clean check - perhaps a low blow where a star player was hurt. If the situations were reversed, Denver fans would see the clean check and UAA fans might claim something else. That's fine and expected that we bring our team-colored glasses to view the event. Suze's argument is fine up to this point.

But after that is where it falls apart. What we can't do is assume that the other side is 100% wrong and and we are 100% right based on our interpretations of the same event. One should never assume that the other side is lying or deceiving intentionally about their interpretation of the same event. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, and we need to respect the other side's assertions as having some legitimacy.
 
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Nice post Swami. Taking the hipcheck call totally out of the equation, I believe I am dead on about the rest. The Denver Post, the Mike Chambers blog (which info came from the DU coaching staff), and Pat himself all make claims like:

Sophomore defenseman Patrick Wiercioch absorbed a knee-on-knee hit in the third period and did not return.
(This came from the DU coaching staff)

Tuesday’s paper will also have word on sophomore defenseman Patrick Wiercioch, who left Saturday’s game with a knee injury
(This came from the DU coaching staff)

Initially, I think because of the adrenaline, I kept playing and it didn’t feel too bad. Five minutes later, it didn’t feel good and I got off the ice and said, ‘That’s it.’
(Patrick now admits that he kept playing, but he didn't quit or get off the ice. He played regular shifts (the last 7 or so minutes) right up until the last 40 seconds of the game.

You can try to dispute this, but the game tape tells the truth. I urge all of you to watch it for yourselves. Archived games are supposed to be up on the gci.net site within 72 hours.

I'm done.
 
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Posted yesterday on NHL.com
"So for now, Cheverie, who in the words of Gwozdecky, is expected to miss a "minimum" of two more weeks."
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=505824

This seems to rule Chevy out for North Dakota:eek:
St.Cloud could be his first game back or the following week which is...
CC (sucks).
 
Re: All Things DU XXV - Murray Up and Get The Chevy Out of The Repair Shop

Swami-another great summation!Chris and Old Pio,defenders of Pio Nation!
 
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The reality is far murkier than a straight video interpretation. What her argument lacks is the respect for the insights of people who are even closer to the situation beyond the video - the Denver players, coaches, medical realities and the journalistic reporting of the event, all of whom may see the same situation differently and may interpret the tape, the motivation of the players involved and the outcome far differently.

What her argument lacks, as well, is consideration for the fact that the refs have the ability to asses a major penalty at any time if they feel there was a deliberate attempt to injure. In the end, the refs have a responsibility to control the game in order to prevent a serious injury. That is a main priority.

Right or wrong, they chose to make an example out of the UAA player. The call did not impact the outcome of the game in any way and could have prevented something much worse from happening. When emotions are running high because your star d-man was taken out....who knows what the next step is. The refs made a decision which they felt was the right way to control the situation, and that was to show LaFranchise the door.

We had no TV here, so I obviously did not DVR the game and the game, which was supposed to be archived within 72 hours, is not available online. So, it is kind of hard to see for ourselves what took place. However, I do know how the refs approach controlling the games and it seems like they were not that out of line. Anyway, who would actually keep complaining about one call almost a week after their team won 7-3??? I don't get it...
 
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We had no TV here, so I obviously did not DVR the game and the game, which was supposed to be archived within 72 hours, is not available online. So, it is kind of hard to see for ourselves what took place. However, I do know how the refs approach controlling the games and it seems like they were not that out of line. Anyway, who would actually keep complaining about one call almost a week after their team won 7-3??? I don't get it...

I am upset because Kane is out this weekend, when the league has stated their is no foul, but also no remedy to reverse the call. It may have happened a week ago, but this is something that UAA has been dealing with all week with the league, so it's very fresh in my mind.

I am also upset about accounts of the game being published that are not true. If you go back to my original post that started all of this, I don't even bring up the hit or DQ, just the Denver Post articles.
 
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Sorry, Suze, but why don't you please leave this DU thread? Your posts here have been ridiculous, borderline offensive. In light of the recent article on Wiercioch's injury, where's your mea culpa on your idiotic claim that Gwoz lied about Wiercioch being injured? Remember, you said that he couldn't have been injured, because he kept playing in the game? Seriously, please go away until you have something intelligent and non-paranoid to say.

Swami--ever the peacemaker. Good job, though I don't think you need to jump to the defense of someone making such stupid statements.

Chris, Old Pio, and Duper: do I need to play Obama and take you guys out for a beer? Duper--are you going to make it out here for a game this year?
 
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I am upset because Kane is out this weekend, when the league has stated their is no foul, but also no remedy to reverse the call. It may have happened a week ago, but this is something that UAA has been dealing with all week with the league, so it's very fresh in my mind.

I am also upset about accounts of the game being published that are not true.

Can you complain about it on your own thread instead of ours?
 
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Nice post Swami. Taking the hipcheck call totally out of the equation, I believe I am dead on about the rest. The Denver Post, the Mike Chambers blog (which info came from the DU coaching staff), and Pat himself all make claims like:

(This came from the DU coaching staff)

(This came from the DU coaching staff)

(Patrick now admits that he kept playing, but he didn't quit or get off the ice. He played regular shifts (the last 7 or so minutes) right up until the last 40 seconds of the game.

You can try to dispute this, but the game tape tells the truth. I urge all of you to watch it for yourselves. Archived games are supposed to be up on the gci.net site within 72 hours.

I'm done.

Um. OK.

I once walked around for 3 days with an ace bandage on my ankle because I dinged it. It turned out be broken in the three spots, plus a fracture in my foot and one in my leg. I have also had a partially torn rotator cuff for the past 15 years. My point is that some people can put up with pain and not show how it affects them right away....which does NOT mean there is not an injury, just that some people can handle it better. Wiercioch is a competitor and may have a higher than normal pain threshold, so just because he may have continued to skate doesn't mean he was uninjured or that DU's athletic department is lying about the situation.

Seriously, go shoot a moose, make some chili with said moose, gaze at Russia and shut the hell up.
 
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