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All Things Denver, XXVIII

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Article on Jesse from Canoe.ca. Several quotes from Jesse's dad including an update on his condition.

Martin says his son's fractures have stabilized and doctors have confirmed the injury didn't block any arteries -- a good sign for surgery, which could happen Thursday or Friday.

Jesse's dad also gives his view on changing the culture of hockey.

"I am absolutely in favour of the discussion going on right now about changing the culture of hockey," Terry Martin said in an interview.

"I hope they do it sooner rather than later. The game has gone through enough tragic incidences up to this point."


http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/News/2010/11/03/15939351.html
 
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Nice gesture by some of the DU alums and families in Minneapolis.



By my recollection Jesse is the 4th Pioneer to suffer a serious neck or head injury while at DU. The first was George Congrave in the late 1950s who had a skate go into his head during practice. Although he never played again, he was a fixture in the DU athletic department for decades after until retiring. For us oldsters he was also one of the DU goal judges. Mike Aikens has also been mentioned in this thread. He also never played again after being hit by Sean Hill of Wisconsin. Gwoz mentioned in his press conference on Tuesday that Brent Cary broke his neck in a collision in practice in his first year at DU. Brent is the only one so far that was able to come back and play again.

Although it didn't happen at DU, Bill Masterton, one of the greatest players ever at DU, passed away while playing in a game for the Minnesota North Stars in 1968 against the Oakland Seals. The story is he was checked, fell backwards and hit his head on the ice. There are conflicting accounts that he was unconscious from the hit before he fell to the ice or that he was unconscious from hitting the ice. He passed away two days later in the hospital. He wasn't wearing a helmet which he had worn his whole career until playing in the NHL. He is the only NHL player to pass away while playing a game and his death spurred the movement for NHL players to be required to wear helmets. The NHL's Masterton Trophy is named after him and is given annually to a player to commemorate the perseverance and dedication to hockey embodied by Bill.

Barry Sharp was a freshman (not sure what year, but the '60s I believe) when he took a puck to the temple in practice and died. DU's freshman of the year receives the Barry Sharp Award.
 
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Random thoughts....

As the weekend gets closer, we are reluctantly changing gears from what has happened to what will happen.

This DU team, and its fans, must find the inner strength to come together and play (and cheer) with inspiration, passion and purpose. The way the team responds to their fallen teammate, their ever depleting roster and their arch-rival itching to get the Gold Pan back presents an amazing opportunity for this DU team of brothers to define their collective identity. Right now, they are .500 hockey team that is now sitting at something of a cross-roads in their season. Addtionally, we DU fans also need to come together to put aside our stoic resolve for a whille and simply find our joy and catharsis in the all-out support of our players and our school. The team needs us, and, frankly, we need them.

I think this weekend's performance will tell us a lot about that identity and how they respond to the really difficult set of cards they've had to play this year. How can they deal with intense emotion, stress, distraction, doubt, friendship and duty? Coach Gwozdecky talked about them "completing the mission". They now have a clearly defined inspiration for their season, but they are a young and somewhat hampered bunch right now. The old saying goes that adversity doesn't build character, but does reveal it. Gwoz has a very tough coaching job in front of him as he must turn a range of new emotions and uncharted territory as he channels the output of these young men into something hopefully positive.

I want to see the whole DU community rally around this team and give them the emotional boost that a full building and and arch rival provides. While nothing compares to what the Martin family and the DU players and staff are feeling right now, I will not discount the emotions that we die-hard fans are feeling, too. Many of us are also sharing this sense of being kicked in the gut - anger, pain, blame, constant questioning and a real deep fear for a young man and the program we all follow. DU fans are missing sleep, calling each other often, and sitting on their computers waiting for the next shred of information, wishing we all could help in some way.... Sometimes, this board is a even form of therapy and connection, as we share our hopes in the silence of night with others who feel what we feel...

The best therapy right now for us fans is to help Magness become the place where we all gather to let out a week's worth of shared hell in some serious fan thunder. I want to hear the student section erupt. I want to hear the fight song. I want our fans standing and yelling and giving these guys the support they need to complete their mission. I know I am going to shed some tears when they come out of the tunnel and I don't care.

Our team needs us now more than ever, but in reality, I think we need them just as much.
 
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Mike Chambers is reporting in the Denver Post that Jesse is tentatively scheduled to have surgery to stabilize the 3 fractures on Friday. Lets pray and hope that his surgery, if it happens, is successful and Jesse makes a full recovery.

Denver Post Story
 
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Random thoughts....

As the weekend gets closer, we are reluctantly changing gears from what has happened to what will happen.

This DU team, and its fans, must find the inner strength to come together and play (and cheer) with inspiration, passion and purpose. The way the team responds to their fallen teammate, their ever depleting roster and their arch-rival itching to get the Gold Pan back presents an amazing opportunity for this DU team of brothers to define their collective identity. Right now, they are .500 hockey team that is now sitting at something of a cross-roads in their season. Addtionally, we DU fans also need to come together to put aside our stoic resolve for a whille and simply find our joy and catharsis in the all-out support of our players and our school. The team needs us, and, frankly, we need them.

I think this weekend's performance will tell us a lot about that identity and how they respond to the really difficult set of cards they've had to play this year. How can they deal with intense emotion, stress, distraction, doubt, friendship and duty? Coach Gwozdecky talked about them "completing the mission". They now have a clearly defined inspiration for their season, but they are a young and somewhat hampered bunch right now. The old saying goes that adversity doesn't build character, but does reveal it. Gwoz has a very tough coaching job in front of him as he must turn a range of new emotions and uncharted territory as he channels the output of these young men into something hopefully positive.

I want to see the whole DU community rally around this team and give them the emotional boost that a full building and and arch rival provides. While nothing compares to what the Martin family and the DU players and staff are feeling right now, I will not discount the emotions that we die-hard fans are feeling, too. Many of us are also sharing this sense of being kicked in the gut - anger, pain, blame, constant questioning and a real deep fear for a young man and the program we all follow. DU fans are missing sleep, calling each other often, and sitting on their computers waiting for the next shred of information, wishing we all could help in some way.... Sometimes, this board is a even form of therapy and connection, as we share our hopes in the silence of night with others who feel what we feel...

The best therapy right now for us fans is to help Magness become the place where we all gather to let out a week's worth of shared hell in some serious fan thunder. I want to hear the student section erupt. I want to hear the fight song. I want our fans standing and yelling and giving these guys the support they need to complete their mission. I know I am going to shed some tears when they come out of the tunnel and I don't care.

Our team needs us now more than ever, but in reality, I think we need them just as much.

That's the best post I've ever read. Spot on in all aspects. More tears. I would only add that there can be no question as to what Jesse would want.
 
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Random thoughts:
I hope Jesse and his family know how much we care about them.
I wish we could send them a banner.
I keep waiting to hear good news about him.
I could use some good news.
 
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Banner Signing Schedule for Jesse Martin

Friday
5:00 - 6:30 PM: DU Grilling Society BBQ (Outside South Entrance)

6:30 - 7:30 PM: South Entrance Hallway Magness Arena

1st Intermission: Magness Arena Main Foyer

2nd Intermission: North End Magness (By Sandwich Carvery)

Post Game: Magness Arena Main Foyer (Player Autograph Area)

Saturday
6:30 AM: DU Student Will Fly Banner To Minneapolis

3:00 PM: DU Student Arrives Back In Denver
 
It's getting late in the week, and no word from the WCHA on the results of the review on the Martin hit.

Can the league be serious about hits to the head without taking any action on this?

Even if they don't suspend Malone further (which wouldn't upset me because the hit came in a grey area somwhere between clearly legal and clearly illegal and somewhere between an attempt to intimidate and an intent to injure), I think the league needs to be more than a passive observer on head injuries...
 
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It's getting late in the week, and no word from the WCHA on the results of the review on the Martin hit.

Can the league be serious about hits to the head without taking any action on this?

Even if they don't suspend Malone further (which wouldn't upset me because the hit came in a grey area somwhere between clearly legal and clearly illegal and somewhere between an attempt to intimidate and an intent to injure).

I think the league needs to be more than a passive observer on head injuries...

I just checked the WCHA site and nothing. The UND thread indicates that a ruling is expected sometime today.
 
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Here are some possible scenarios for the league to take, with my views on what I think is appropriate.

1) No announcement - this would be a bad move on the league. Would send status quo message.

2) Review with no further action. I could accept it, but it would be a missed opportunity to talk about the league being serious about hits to the head.

3) Warning + time served. Would be something greater than nothing, but not much consequence here. Might appear to backfire on the WCHA.

4) Malone suspension in all further UND games against Denver this season in WCHA play. This would make a statement about head injuries, would not seriously impact the regular season for UND since DU and UND don't play again and would also protect Malone against future DU retaliation. I like this option best.

5) Malone suspended for any number of further WCHA games. This would be a serious suspension and send a serious message about head injuries. I could also live with this, but I also think it might be seen as exessive punishment for a grey-area hit. This could also be a league suspension or a school-imposed suspension.
 
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It's getting late in the week, and no word from the WCHA on the results of the review on the Martin hit.

Can the league be serious about hits to the head without taking any action on this?

Even if they don't suspend Malone further (which wouldn't upset me because the hit came in a grey area somwhere between clearly legal and clearly illegal and somewhere between an attempt to intimidate and an intent to injure), I think the league needs to be more than a passive observer on head injuries...

With all due respect, Swami, let me offer (again) the "Old Pio Theorem," you put a guy in the hospital, end his college career and put his future as a functioning human being in some doubt, you should darn sure miss some hockey games! I offered that initially on Sunday, when I was blind with rage. I offer it again now, when I'm more rational. I understand the potential "unfairness" deriving from different outcomes from the same hit. It's a risk I'm willing to run, even if a DU player is punished. It's not a matter of making Malone "pay" for what happened. To me, it's a matter of sending a clear message about protecting players. How can anyone take statements about "head hunting"seriously when/if a guy who deals a blow like Malone did essentially gets a walk? If Jesse bears no animosity toward the young man, then I don't either. But that doesn't ameliorate the devastating consequences of his actions. And the goal here should be to prevent a recurrance. And some "down time" would, I think, send a message that players, even in the heat of a game, need to consider those consequences.

edit: If I were emperor of the WCHA, I'd combine 4 and 5. There's no guarantee the teams will meet again this season, but keeping Malone off the ice for that potential game is a good idea for the reasons you suggested. But he still needs some punishment, for the reasons I suggested.
 
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With all due respect, Swami, let me offer (again) the "Old Pio Theorem," you put a guy in the hospital, end his college career and put his future as a functioning human being in some doubt, you should darn sure miss some hockey games! I offered that initially on Sunday, when I was blind with rage. I offer it again now, when I'm more rational. I understand the potential "unfairness" deriving from different outcomes from the same hit. It's a risk I'm willing to run, even if a DU player is punished. It's not a matter of making Malone "pay" for what happened. To me, it's a matter of sending a clear message about protecting players. How can anyone take statements about "head hunting" when/if a guy who deals a blow like Malone did essentially gets a walk? If Jesse bears no animosity toward the young man, then I don't either. But that doesn't ameliorate the devastating consequences of his actions. And the goal here should be to prevent a recurrance. And some "down time" would, I think, send a message that players, even in the heat of a game, need to consider those consequences.

I see your point and I agree 100% with your theory here but it's harder to put into practice...

There is a deterrence aspect that I totally support over and above what Malone did, but I also have a hard time with penalizing Malone too much further because his actions were such that had Martin not been hurt on the play, nobody out there would be suggesting Malone sit any further than the 5 minute major and the game misconduct he actually was assessed, not to mention the lifelong guilt he'll already carry. Just trying to make the punishment fit the crime, and I don't think Malone was headhunting or trying to injure. I do think Malone was playing on edge and trying to make a hard, intimidating hit (which is part of the wau UND plays), and but that's a grey area in terms of suspension. Could Malone have avoided the hit? I don't know. Perhaps if the goal is to send a message on the importance of head injury avoidance, I could live with a more serious suspension...
 
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I see your point and I agree 100% with your theory here but it's harder to put into practice...

There is a deterrence aspect that I totally support over and above what Malone did, but I also have a hard time with penalizing Malone too much further because his actions were such that had Martin not been hurt on the play, nobody out there would be suggesting Malone sit any further than the 5 minute major and the game misconduct he actually was assessed, not to mention the lifelong guilt he'll already carry. Just trying to make the punishment fit the crime, and I don't think Malone was headhunting or trying to injure. I do think Malone was playing on edge and trying to make a hard, intimidating hit (which is part of the wau UND plays), and but that's a grey area in terms of suspension. Could Malone have avoided the hit? I don't know. Perhaps if the goal is to send a message on the importance of head injury avoidance, I could live with a more serious suspension...

No perfect response here, admittedly. And I hope the reports that motivated Jesse to call Malone are true, not because I want him to suffer but because if he wasn't feeling guilt and regret, he'd be significantly less than human. I just don't want any fan base to have to feel what we've been feeling since Saturday night (it seems so much longer) again. And toward that end, a suspension is, IMO, mandatory.
 
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Jesse's dad has been quoted that the "culture" of hockey needs to be changed. The first step towards changing the "culture" would be to suspend any player who makes a hit to the head whether on purpose or not. Obviously a grey area hit like this one may not warrant a suspension as long as one where there was obvious intent. Hits to the head have got to be stopped.
 
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Jesse's dad has been quoted that the "culture" of hockey needs to be changed. The first step towards changing the "culture" would be to suspend any player who makes a hit to the head whether on purpose or not. Obviously a grey area hit like this one may not warrant a suspension as long as one where there was obvious intent. Hits to the head have got to be stopped.
Jesse's dad has had to withness his son having hip surgery after his Sophomore year, I assume he had shoulder surgery after last season and now this neck injury. College hockey is broken. Somebody needs to fix the sport.
 
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Jesse's dad has been quoted that the "culture" of hockey needs to be changed. The first step towards changing the "culture" would be to suspend any player who makes a hit to the head whether on purpose or not. Obviously a grey area hit like this one may not warrant a suspension as long as one where there was obvious intent. Hits to the head have got to be stopped.

As far as "obvious intent to injure" is concerned: that's a matter for the police, not the WCHA.
 
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