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All Things Denver, XXVIII

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Dmann said:
Can you imagine the WCHA without Minny and Wisco? :eek:

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,18726/PennStateSettoFieldVarsityProgramSourcesSay.html
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The only chance to block the Big Ten formation is for DU, North Dakota, Miami, Notre Dame, CC and Duluth to unite and cut loose the other Minnesota schools. That should create at least some political pressure on the Gophers.

If I'm Bemidji and UNO I've got to be asking why the heck they are being asked to pay to join the WCHA.

As I said all along, bringing in Bemidji was a HUGE mistake for the WCHA and especially DU and CC. Diluting the league puts DU in a really tenuous situation.
 
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Is a Big Ten hockey Conf a big threat? Seems to me that they will be at a disadvantage being a smaller conference.

If anything, Penn State will open a natural rival with robert morris and perhaps Navy if they get their butts into Div 1.
 
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Dmann said:
Can you imagine the WCHA without Minny and Wisco? :eek:

http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,18726/PennStateSettoFieldVarsityProgramSourcesSay.html
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DU should not sit around and play in a diluted WCHA if a Big 10 Hockey Conference happens. It's a one-way ticket to mid-major irrelevance.

If I were DU, I would be encouraging the development of a competitive superconference to rival the the Big 10:

Something like:
DU, UND, CC, Notre Dame, Miami, BC, BU, Maine, UNH

There would be higher travel costs in this scenario, but they would be offset by quality of hockey, quality of recruits, and TV interest. If DU doesn't get this done, it;s hello mid-major status playing in a vastly diluted WCHA.
 
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vizoroo said:
The CCHA is probably in more trouble with the potential loss of Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State.

Don't see Notre Dame sticking around if the big 3 leave.
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The WCHA would be equally screwed.

DU needs to hitch their wagon to Notre Dame & North Dakota.
 
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Puck Swami said:
DU should not sit around and play in a diluted WCHA if a Big 10 Hockey Conference happens. It's a one-way ticket to mid-major irrelevance.

If I were DU, I would be encouraging the development of a competitive superconference to rival the the Big 10:

Something like:
DU, UND, CC, Notre Dame, Miami, BC, BU, Maine, UNH

There would be higher travel costs in this scenario, but they would be offset by quality of hockey, quality of recruits, and TV interest. If DU doesn't get this done, it;s hello mid-major status playing in a vastly diluted WCHA.
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I could see two "high quality" conferences forming if the BTHC happens.
The above scenario would be crazy with the travel time and expenses.

If you put DU, UND, CC, ND, and Miami into one conference with other leftover teams from the WCHA/CCHA, and leave BC, BU, Maine, and UNH in HE, I think that could work.

The problem with having a single conference with 9 "college hockey powers" would be that the conference would almost be too tough. They would just be taking each other out and ruining the conferences chances with the PWR. I think this will be a major issue with the BTHC as well that they might not be thinking about. If you put MSU, Mich, UW, UMN, etc into one conference...their records are going to suffer.

dggoddard said:
DU needs to hitch their wagon to Notre Dame & North Dakota.
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Agreed. I don't think recruiting or anything else would be affected if a few of the other hockey powers join forces. Add in Miami and ND in with the other traditional powers from the WCHA and that's a good conference right there.
 
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brianvf said:
Agreed. I don't think recruiting or anything else would be affected if a few of the other hockey powers join forces. Add in Miami and ND in with the other traditional powers from the WCHA and that's a good conference right there.
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It looks like DU and North Dakota fans agree on the logical next step if the BTHC forms. I was very relieved to see that the chatter is the same over at SiouxSports.com

This could be the end of the "Paukovich Cheapshot Era" and the beginning of the "**** the Big 10 Era."

Quite frankly, a six team or eight team conference with (UND, Notre Dame, CC, Miami, DU and UMD) is better for DU than the "new" WCHA with 12 teams. More prime opponents at Magness, more non-conference games against the elite of the East, more games against Air Force and most important less games against "no name opponents."
 
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dggoddard said:
It looks like DU and North Dakota fans agree on the logical next step if the BTHC forms. I was very relieved to see that the chatter is the same over at SiouxSports.com

This could be the end of the "Paukovich Cheapshot Era" and the beginning of the "**** the Big 10 Era."

Quite frankly, a six team or eight team conference with (UND, Notre Dame, CC, Miami, DU and UMD) is better for DU than the "new" WCHA with 12 teams. More prime opponents at Magness, more non-conference games against the elite of the East, more games against Air Force and most important less games against "no name opponents."
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I just don't know that it would be best for college hockey.

I mean, what if we put Florida, Texas, USC, Alabama, Oklahoma and Miami in one football conference and Ohio St., Michigan, Nebraska, Penn St., Oregon and Iowa in another.

I'm not so sure that the formation of a Big 10 conference would significantly hurt other programs. In fact, as I posted in another thread I think it might cause more harm to a school like Michigan St., which has had some success but would now likely find itself fighting to stay above .500 each year.

You look at schools like North Carolina, Duke and Kansas in basketball. Generally terrible in the other major sports. Exist in conferences with teams that only rarely field a nationally competitive team. Yet they remain powers.

To me the downside is not so much the potential for the destruction of other college programs as it is the loss of some longstanding rivalries/hatred that's built up for the past 60 years.
 
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SJHovey said:
To me the downside is not so much the potential for the destruction of other college programs as it is the loss of some longstanding rivalries/hatred that's built up for the past 60 years.
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The long time rivalries between DU/CC, DU/UND, CC/UND remain except the DU/MN, DU/WI, UND/MN and UND/WI rivalries take the big hit. Nothing can be done about those in terms of a league rivalry if the BTHC is formed. Once Minneosta and Wisconsin bolt OOC games can be scheduled but they obviously won't have the same meaning as if they were WCHA games with the league title on the line.
 
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SJHovey said:
I just don't know that it would be best for college hockey.
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If the Big 10 schools bolt, its all about finding a seat on the liferaft.

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Wait, wait, wait. Are you all suggesting we turn our backs on the Fighting Orthopods of Alaska Achorage? Are we really ready for that?
 
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DG is right. We can't be sitting around watching the paint dry on this one. The college hockey world is about to change, big time, and we have to be positioned ahead of the curve. I'm hoping Peg is on the blower trying to figure out the best possible future for DU. I'm badly conflicted here, a Big Ten football fan who would prefer they take their hockey conference and shove it.
 
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Today is 09/14/10.
There are 18 days until DU's next game.

Wearing #18 for DU is junior forward Luke Salazar.

This is based upon the first exhibition game on October 2nd.
 
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dggoddard said:
If the Big 10 schools bolt, its all about finding a seat on the liferaft.

titanic_sinking_atlantic.jpg
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Much ado about nothing.

There was a time when a BTHC would have been something. You look back over the last 25 years and there was never a time when Big 10 teams represented less than 25% of the field. Through the late '80's and all the '90's, when 12 teams made up the field, there were always three, and sometimes four, Big 10 teams in the field.

When it expanded to 16 teams, four Big 10 teams became the norm, and once they even had 5 make it.

You know that in a 6 team league that isn't going to happen anymore.

Furthermore, recently the Big 10 has struggled to get 2 teams in the field of 16.

The Big 10 may be forced to form a BTHC just to get the auto bid, if things continue. ;)
 
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Seth Jones, Dakota Mermis and Quentin Shore all made the National U-17 Team. Seth is the younger brother of DU frosh Justin Jones. DU recruit Tyler Pham is not on the team.
 
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du78 said:
Seth Jones, Dakota Mermis and Quentin Shore all made the National U-17 Team. Seth is the younger brother of DU frosh Justin Jones.
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Did we get Justin Jones in the hopes of getting Seth? And the same kind of thing with the the Mermis brothers?
 
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