Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
What's your point?
What's your point?
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2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
And here's a bit of history....
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/119539-ronnie-met-vlady-reagans-unlikely-encounter-putin-kgb-agent/
The point is the armed forces political masters are clueless.
And here's a bit of history....
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/119539-ronnie-met-vlady-reagans-unlikely-encounter-putin-kgb-agent/
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
That's a bit of a reach, even by your standards. And bears approximately zero relevance to whether or not we should send a carrier task force to the area.
That's a bit of a reach, even by your standards. And bears approximately zero relevance to whether or not we should send a carrier task force to the area.
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You put the military in harm's way for strategic reasons, not for polling numbers or midterm election votes (ok, I am naive). I don't think that the current crop of politicians has a clue.
Why do we want to send a carrier task force to the Black Sea - if we can? I understand that Turkey can prohibit non Black Sea nations from transiting the Bosphorus. And the Black Sea is an awfully confined area to operate a carrier task force.
Besides, is the Ukraine in our strategic interest? Is it worth getting into an eyeball contest with somebody in their back yard?
Cripes!
You put the military in harm's way for strategic reasons, not for polling numbers or midterm election votes (ok, I am naive). I don't think that the current crop of politicians has a clue.
Why do we want to send a carrier task force to the Black Sea - if we can? I understand that Turkey can prohibit non Black Sea nations from transiting the Bosphorus. And the Black Sea is an awfully confined area to operate a carrier task force.
Besides, is the Ukraine in our strategic interest? Is it worth getting into an eyeball contest with somebody in their back yard?
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Then why not just say that? I understand that libtard burbling about Reagan is very nearly irresistible. But not all of us have a decoder ring. I disagree, but that's what makes horse races.
Everything any president does is political. Everything. And that which is good politics isn't automatically bad policy. Of course, sometimes it is bad policy. On the morning of the Wisconsin primary in '80, (with US hostages held in Iran and Teddy Kennedy breathing down his neck for the Democrat nomination) Jimmy Carter went on national TV to announce some sort of vaguely defined "break through" in negotiations with the Mullahs. Helped him win the primary and re-nomination, but didn't do squat to get our people out.
The answer to your question is yes. What happens in eastern Europe is in our vital national security interests. Just as Jimmy Carter established that what happens in the Middle East is also in our vital national security interests. As such a little sabre rattling is appropriate to let that KGB thug know we mean business. Otherwise, we could just get in a libtard crouch and let him do whatever he pleases. Is that really what you want?
Then why not just say that? I understand that libtard burbling about Reagan is very nearly irresistible. But not all of us have a decoder ring. I disagree, but that's what makes horse races.
Everything any president does is political. Everything. And that which is good politics isn't automatically bad policy. Of course, sometimes it is bad policy. On the morning of the Wisconsin primary in '80, (with US hostages held in Iran and Teddy Kennedy breathing down his neck for the Democrat nomination) Jimmy Carter went on national TV to announce some sort of vaguely defined "break through" in negotiations with the Mullahs. Helped him win the primary and re-nomination, but didn't do squat to get our people out.
The answer to your question is yes. What happens in eastern Europe is in our vital national security interests. Just as Jimmy Carter established that what happens in the Middle East is also in our vital national security interests. As such a little sabre rattling is appropriate to let that KGB thug know we mean business. Otherwise, we could just get in a libtard crouch and let him do whatever he pleases. Is that really what you want?
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Opie, the eighties are over. The Soviet Union is gone. I'm sorry that upsets you, but nobody under the age of 60 wants to reinvent the Cold War.
Putting the Navy in the Black Sea to do.....what again??? is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen. Like Iraq, you may like it having US troops in harms way for no strategic purpose (how many soldiers were picked off deliving water and other such nonsense in that country). However, aside from some splashy show of force, even though everyone knows they aren't there to actually take military action, there is no point in sending anything from a carrier to a mine sweeper in there. None.
Also, I noticed you completely ignored the idea of the Ukrainian armed forces solving this problem themselves. Why is that? Should we once again commit troops and dollars to fight another country's battles for them?
Opie, the eighties are over. The Soviet Union is gone. I'm sorry that upsets you, but nobody under the age of 60 wants to reinvent the Cold War.
Putting the Navy in the Black Sea to do.....what again??? is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen. Like Iraq, you may like it having US troops in harms way for no strategic purpose (how many soldiers were picked off deliving water and other such nonsense in that country). However, aside from some splashy show of force, even though everyone knows they aren't there to actually take military action, there is no point in sending anything from a carrier to a mine sweeper in there. None.
Also, I noticed you completely ignored the idea of the Ukrainian armed forces solving this problem themselves. Why is that? Should we once again commit troops and dollars to fight another country's battles for them?
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Dishonesty and ignorance is a bad combination. Fortunately for us, the president's conjones, tiny as they are, dwarf yours.
Opie, the eighties are over. The Soviet Union is gone. I'm sorry that upsets you, but nobody under the age of 60 wants to reinvent the Cold War.
Putting the Navy in the Black Sea to do.....what again??? is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen. Like Iraq, you may like it having US troops in harms way for no strategic purpose (how many soldiers were picked off deliving water and other such nonsense in that country). However, aside from some splashy show of force, even though everyone knows they aren't there to actually take military action, there is no point in sending anything from a carrier to a mine sweeper in there. None.
Also, I noticed you completely ignored the idea of the Ukrainian armed forces solving this problem themselves. Why is that? Should we once again commit troops and dollars to fight another country's battles for them?
Dishonesty and ignorance is a bad combination. Fortunately for us, the president's conjones, tiny as they are, dwarf yours.
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Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
The president has big balls because he's willing to send men off to die in a conflict that doesn't present a thread to US national security?
The president has big balls because he's willing to send men off to die in a conflict that doesn't present a thread to US national security?
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Interesting article on the wider foreign policy implications of the Ukraine situation. Stay away from the comments, I think I lost some IQ points trying to find a useful point.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2014/03/03/putin-invades-crimea-obama-hardest-hit/
Interesting article on the wider foreign policy implications of the Ukraine situation. Stay away from the comments, I think I lost some IQ points trying to find a useful point.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2014/03/03/putin-invades-crimea-obama-hardest-hit/
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Your interest in other men's genitals aside, you STILL have not told us why we need to jump in and defend people who have their own armed forces and who could have enjoyed the benefit of NATO's protection years ago. Have you not learned any lesson from the Iraq debacle?
Your interest in other men's genitals aside, you STILL have not told us why we need to jump in and defend people who have their own armed forces and who could have enjoyed the benefit of NATO's protection years ago. Have you not learned any lesson from the Iraq debacle?
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
In Pio's world, if you think with them they're big.
In Pio's world, if you think with them they're big.
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Because he is beginning to understand (in a limited sort of way) that a weak and diffident United States is not good for world order. Your begging the question doesn't make your argument any stronger. Quite the contrary.
Because he is beginning to understand (in a limited sort of way) that a weak and diffident United States is not good for world order. Your begging the question doesn't make your argument any stronger. Quite the contrary.
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You still haven't told us why beefing up NATO is, in your words, "stupid." Or why it is also stupid to enhance our naval presence in the Black Sea. When I included these matters on a list of possible American responses to Russian adventurism you ridiculed the suggestions and me. When your beloved Neville does what I suggested, you're suddenly silent. Most of us wish that would be your normal state. But some of us wonder why identical policy initiatives can be both brilliant and stupid at the same time.
The fact that nobody (including me) has suggested we "jump in and defend" anyone, obviously does not dissuade you from continuing to make this dishonest argument. Maybe nobody will notice, again.
Iraq was not a "debacle" until Neville decided to pull the chicken switch.
You still haven't told us why beefing up NATO is, in your words, "stupid." Or why it is also stupid to enhance our naval presence in the Black Sea. When I included these matters on a list of possible American responses to Russian adventurism you ridiculed the suggestions and me. When your beloved Neville does what I suggested, you're suddenly silent. Most of us wish that would be your normal state. But some of us wonder why identical policy initiatives can be both brilliant and stupid at the same time.
The fact that nobody (including me) has suggested we "jump in and defend" anyone, obviously does not dissuade you from continuing to make this dishonest argument. Maybe nobody will notice, again.
Iraq was not a "debacle" until Neville decided to pull the chicken switch.
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Man, people probably make reservations to sit at your table during lunch period, don't they?
Man, people probably make reservations to sit at your table during lunch period, don't they?
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Thanks for posting that one. "The Great Loon of Libya." LOL.
Thanks for posting that one. "The Great Loon of Libya." LOL.
Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
Room grows silent.
Room grows silent.
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Oh please let the GOP run on this idea in the midterms!
Oh please let the GOP run on this idea in the midterms!
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It surely won't make a difference in '16, since we'll be up to our lips in illegals anxious to repay their political patrons.
It surely won't make a difference in '16, since we'll be up to our lips in illegals anxious to repay their political patrons.
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Re: 2nd Term Part VII: You May Like Your Doctor But You Can't Keep Her
And we still have that army of Tony Romo bots!
And we still have that army of Tony Romo bots!
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