2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

[dxmnkd316]

Super cool that trumps lies have stopped rescue work for fema in places because armed militia is looking for fema employees to hunt down

So a word of caution on this story. Its background is a very thinly sourced email from a single forest service employee. I'm not sure this account has been corroborated.

 

[Handyman]

This got me rolling.

I'm still on a SM "cleanse" but my SO did say something about a loaded gun at a rally...is that this? Because that seems like standard operating procedure for gun nuts at a gun nut rally doesn't it? I'm sure Scott Jennings is blaming it on Dems though

She also told me about Coachella and the bus issue...these clowns can't even figure out how to carpool their voters yet people want them in charge of the government. If he wins might want to buy stock in GoFundMe because a lot of people are going to need it!

 

[state of hockey]

I'm still on a SM "cleanse" but my SO did say something about a loaded gun at a rally...is that this? Because that seems like standard operating procedure for gun nuts at a gun nut rally doesn't it? I'm sure Scott Jennings is blaming it on Dems though

She also told me about Coachella and the bus issue...these clowns can't even figure out how to carpool their voters yet people want them in charge of the government. If he wins might want to buy stock in GoFundMe because a lot of people are going to need it!

It is. The local sheriff claimed that his department likely thwarted a third assassination attempt, and people are running with it. The Feds have already said they don’t think it’s the case.

 

[Handyman]

Yeah there is zero ****ing chance that Harris has somehow racked up Hillary levels of contempt while maintaining net positive favorability.

Especially when plenty of Republicans in her state have endorsed her.

Stuff like this is why I needed a break. Nothing I see or read makes any sense everything is contradictory and everyone is using it to push agendas whether Left or Right. I was legit dreaming about it my anxiety levels were getting so high. Everything out there just feels like mis/disinformation especially polling.

 

[Handyman]

It is. The local sheriff claimed that his department likely thwarted a third assassination attempt, and people are running with it. The Feds have already said they don’t think it’s the case.

Lets for a second run with the idea that now a third Republican (anyone dumb enough to bring a loaded gun to a Trump rally is a Republican) wanted to assassinate Trump. At what point will the media just ask the phucking question "why do Right Leaning People want to kill Donald Trump"? I mean this honestly...isnt that the thing we need to figure out? Everyone is apoplectic about how violence seems to be everywhere but no one seems to want to look at the reason why. They want to blame everyone but the person responsible. They talk about his dangerous rhetoric, they talk about how he is putting people at risk all over the place, but they never seem to want to just say the truth (for fear of people like Scott Jennings not wanting to be on their shows) that Donald Trump is bringing this on himself. It isn't mental illness, it isn't gun culture, it isn't Dems and their terrible rhetoric...its him.

I get it, blaming the victim is in very bad form and he definitely does not deserve any of this but if you court violence and anger dangerous people on top of fomenting a cult you run this risk. When the fever breaks on cultists reactions are raw and often extreme. Usually you see nervous breakdowns and depression but we aren't talking Christians who were duped to following a false prophet or women in a sex cult we are talking about angry men with tempers. They are going to lash out violently.

 

[St. Clown]

I voted today at my county’s Northern office. Having banking hours works very well for election years. I walked in, did the deed, and I was out of there, all in about 10 minutes.

Also, MN now requires you to fill in your state ID, and the last four of your SSN, if you have both. If you have only one or the other, use that. This might just be an early voting thing, I’m not sure. The voting judge used the info I gave to match my pre-ballot form and my early ballot envelope, confirming my ID. Note: my ballot itself doesn’t have any identification on it.

 

[Handyman]

Interesting...I don't remember that when I voted in the Primary. I plan to vote later this week I just want to check a few things on the ballot first.

 

[Kepler]

At what point will the media just ask the phucking question "why do Right Leaning People want to kill Donald Trump"?

Because he showed them what they are. For decades they kidded themselves they were fiscal conservatives, or stewards of time-tested tradition. But Dump showed them they're just gullible racists.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I voted today at my county’s Northern office. Having banking hours works very well for election years. I walked in, did the deed, and I was out of there, all in about 10 minutes.

Also, MN now requires you to fill in your state ID, and the last four of your SSN, if you have both. If you have only one or the other, use that. This might just be an early voting thing, I’m not sure. The voting judge used the info I gave to match my pre-ballot form and my early ballot envelope, confirming my ID. Note: my ballot itself doesn’t have any identification on it.

I have voted early in person for the last 5-6 years and always had to provide my license id or last 4 of social

but fraud!!!!

 

[Jimjamesak]

NYT/Siena has Gallego up 9, but Trump up 6 in AZ. There is no way there’s a 15 point swing in that state.

Many people have said it: the math ain’t mathing. Somehow the polling in Senate races in swing states have the Dem up by 6-7 but the Presidential race is close or Dump is ahead.

There was a Politico article talking about how the Republicans are worried about the Senate because polling across the races indicate that the candidates numbers are consistently lower than Dump in the same states.

Hmmmmm…

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Many people have said it: the math ain’t mathing. Somehow the polling in Senate races in swing states have the Dem up by 6-7 but the Presidential race is close or Dump is ahead.

There was a Politico article talking about how the Republicans are worried about the Senate because polling across the races indicate that the candidates numbers are consistently lower than Dump in the same states.

Hmmmmm…

Unless there are that many cult members showing up solely to vote for Trump. But it’s not like the candidates who are way down are anti-Trump moderates, it’s the ones who are fully backing his platform.

We had this same discussion last week when it was only 6-9 swing in AZ, now it’s grown by 50-100%? It makes absolutely zero sense, especially in a voting environment that is becoming even more polarizing and less likely to see people crossing the aisle down ticket.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Unless there are that many cult members showing up solely to vote for Trump. But it’s not like the candidates who are way down are anti-Trump moderates, it’s the ones who are fully backing his platform.

We had this same discussion last week when it was only 6-9 swing in AZ, now it’s grown by 50-100%? It makes absolutely zero sense, especially in a voting environment that is becoming even more polarizing and less likely to see people crossing the aisle down ticket.

The conspiracy theory is that the Republicans are goosing the polling so when Harris wins by larger margins they can say “the polling said it would be closer, it must be fraud!” and steal the election.

Which is plausible I guess, but I don’t see this plan succeeding because even if the Republicans win the Senate the most likely outcome is 51-49. And maybe I think too highly of her, but I don’t see Lisa Murkowski going along with those shenanigans.

 

[rufus]

I'm still on a SM "cleanse" but my SO did say something about a loaded gun at a rally...is that this? Because that seems like standard operating procedure for gun nuts at a gun nut rally doesn't it? I'm sure Scott Jennings is blaming it on Dems though

She also told me about Coachella and the bus issue...these clowns can't even figure out how to carpool their voters yet people want them in charge of the government. If he wins might want to buy stock in GoFundMe because a lot of people are going to need it!

Couple things. First, it was a gun-carrying dude outside the rally area, not in it. So, just a good ol' patriotic 'Murican exercising his 2A rights. Calling it an assasination attempt is stretching it a bit.

The key takeaway here isn't that they can't manage things. They can't. it's Trump, that's a given. The key takeaway is that Trump cares so little about his own supporters that he can't be bothered to make sure that they can get back to their cars. So how little does he care about you, the average non-cult member American citizen?

 

[Slap Shot]

This is the kind of s**t that has me worried.

Republicans have filed at least 50 voter-purge lawsuits in advance of the 2024 election; at least 12 claim noncitizens may be voting in elections.

The point is to help Trump claim the election was stolen from him.

More: rollingstone.com/polit…

 

[Jimjamesak]

This is the kind of s**t that has me worried.

Every doom crafting theory I’ve seen on this runs into two problems:

1. The Supreme Court basically says “Dump won” and everyone in the country collectively goes r-tard and says “oh ok”.

2. Pretty much ignores the rules of how elections are certified in each state.

 

[Handyman]

The conspiracy theory is that the Republicans are goosing the polling so when Harris wins by larger margins they can say “the polling said it would be closer, it must be fraud!” and steal the election.

Which is plausible I guess, but I don’t see this plan succeeding because even if the Republicans win the Senate the most likely outcome is 51-49. And maybe I think too highly of her, but I don’t see Lisa Murkowski going along with those shenanigans.

Well the Republicans are goosing the polls, that has been proven and the media is eating it up. I think the reasoning is flawed though because that won't work. It would require a lot of infrastructure they don't have in place. This is all a grift, its to screw with the betting markets so they can make money. The "steal" is inconsequential though they will obviously still try. They have Peter Thiel jacking the odds so they can hedge and win a windfall.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Well the Republicans are goosing the polls, that has been proven and the media is eating it up. I think the reasoning is flawed though because that won't work. It would require a lot of infrastructure they don't have in place. This is all a grift, it’s to screw with the betting markets so they can make money. The "steal" is inconsequential though they will obviously still try. They have Peter Thiel jacking the odds so they can hedge and win a windfall.

That’s plausible. Although it’s more likely that the media wants a close race simply for the ratings.

The “steal” seems like people trying to explain what is really just stupidity. “Dump isn’t campaigning because they don’t care about votes, they’re just going to steal it in the courts” is a common thread I’ve seen.

 

[Handyman]

Every doom crafting theory I’ve seen on this runs into two problems:

1. The Supreme Court basically says “Dump won” and everyone in the country collectively goes r-tard and says “oh ok”.

2. Pretty much ignores the rules of how elections are certified in each state.

Yeah...most of the cases end up going nowhere because it is way too close to an election to be futzing with the rules. Even Trump judges say no. Democracy Docket wins almost all of them and sends out regular updates on them. Marc Elias is on TV a lot talking about it as well.

Now I get why people are wary of the SC...I mean they are completely compromised but I don't see them reversing their own precedent from like last year. They didn't let Alabama change their voting rules 9 months out because it was too close to the election this is under a month. The backlash would be bad...

For "The Steal" to work they are going to have to have more evidence than they did last time (i.e. they need to have evidence) because Trump is not in power. Unless the Federal Judiciary is going to overrule the States it is going to be almost impossible to do short of legit rigging. And they certainly won't do it without mountains of evidence...they proved that in 2020 when it would have been way easier to get away with this.

I don't say this lightly...but if the Supremes decided to stick their nose in and hand it to Trump we might be headed to Victor Hugo-Land.

 

[Handyman]

That’s plausible. Although it’s more likely that the media wants a close race simply for the ratings.

The “steal” seems like people trying to explain what is really just stupidity. “Dump isn’t campaigning because they don’t care about votes, they’re just going to steal it in the courts” is a common thread I’ve seen.

Oh the media is eating it up for the horserace. The GOP is goosing the polls for the money. I explained that badly.

Your second point is spot on...although its not just stupidity it is also because they have no money. He raided the coffers and he owes money all over the place and well...he is phucking fat and lazy. I mean even when he does look where he does it.

 

[Handyman]

Couple things. First, it was a gun-carrying dude outside the rally area, not in it. So, just a good ol' patriotic 'Murican exercising his 2A rights. Calling it an assasination attempt is stretching it a bit.

The key takeaway here isn't that they can't manage things. They can't. it's Trump, that's a given. The key takeaway is that Trump cares so little about his own supporters that he can't be bothered to make sure that they can get back to their cars. So how little does he care about you, the average non-cult member American citizen?

Apparently he is a "sovereign citizen" who ran for state assembly in Nevada as a Republican and is saying to the press he is a Trump supporter who has no idea why he was arrested. His Insta is filled with selfies of people associated with Trump including Steve Bannon and Steven Miller. He runs a web site/media group called "Rage Against the Mainstream Media".

https://time.com/7086534/donald-trump-coachella-rally-man-arrested-loaded-gun-vem-miller/