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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

bronconick said:
Trump had a "Town Hall" in Philly that answered 5 questions told them to vote on January 5th, stopped, told them to play music and said the event was over after 20 minutes.
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Sounds like a solid plan to me! I think we should put that on Twitter and 8chan...really get the word out!!
 
Did his staff realize he leaked the health plan details yesterday? It’s - don’t eat.

“Trump, after multiple supporters fainted because of the heat at his rally: "Personally, I enjoy this. We lose weight. We can do this, lose four or five pounds, it's okay with me...Would anybody else like to faint?"
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Did his staff realize he leaked the health plan details yesterday? It’s - don’t eat.

“Trump, after multiple supporters fainted because of the heat at his rally: "Personally, I enjoy this. We lose weight. We can do this, lose four or five pounds, it's okay with me...Would anybody else like to faint?"
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???
 
Jimjamesak said:
Harris is reportedly going to go on Joe Rogan’s podcast.
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Rogan has lost the faith...now he is hedging too. Since the debate (based on the few clips I can stand to ever watch of his BS) he has pretty much admitted she is crushing and Trump is old and feeble. Is she going to sit in on the whole show like apparently most of his guests do because I hope she has earplugs. Nice thing is she is finding ways to combat the conspiracies where they foment....

Her strategy is obvious...she is basically trying to peel off any voters from the few constituencies he has. The Medicare expansion along with going on Faux is to court the Boomers (and their kids in the case of the former) and Joe Rogan to go after the Young White Men. Throw in the gifts she throws at her "weaker" bases like promoting more grants for Small Business for African American Men and she is basically trying to add any votes she can from anywhere she can. Its the "Big Tent Unifying Strategy" candidates like Hillary just can't do correctly.

Its like watching people play Risk...Trump has all of his forces in one country...strong enough to hold but not strong enough to really stretch out and try and flip the board. Meanwhile Harris is surrounding him and fortifying positions and is now trying to find ways to weaken him to the point she can take him out for good. She is playing the "War of Attrition" game...she has more money and resources and he can't afford to lose any voters and hope to win.

We will see what it works but I would prefer this to what I am sure a lot of her advisors are telling her. (stick to the Swing States and play it safe)
 
Handyman said:
Rogan has lost the faith...now he is hedging too. Since the debate (based on the few clips I can stand to ever watch of his BS) he has pretty much admitted she is crushing and Trump is old and feeble. Is she going to sit in on the whole show like apparently most of his guests do because I hope she has earplugs. Nice thing is she is finding ways to combat the conspiracies where they foment....

Her strategy is obvious...she is basically trying to peel off any voters from the few constituencies he has. The Medicare expansion along with going on Faux is to court the Boomers (and their kids in the case of the former) and Joe Rogan to go after the Young White Men. Throw in the gifts she throws at her "weaker" bases like promoting more grants for Small Business for African American Men and she is basically trying to add any votes she can from anywhere she can. Its the "Big Tent Unifying Strategy" candidates like Hillary just can't do correctly.

Its like watching people play Risk...Trump has all of his forces in one country...strong enough to hold but not strong enough to really stretch out and try and flip the board. Meanwhile Harris is surrounding him and fortifying positions and is now trying to find ways to weaken him to the point she can take him out for good. She is playing the "War of Attrition" game...she has more money and resources and he can't afford to lose any voters and hope to win.

We will see what it works but I would prefer this to what I am sure a lot of her advisors are telling her. (stick to the Swing States and play it safe)
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Safer than trying to court the progressive Palestine crowd, who will punish her no matter what
 
Handyman said:
Rogan has lost the faith...now he is hedging too. Since the debate (based on the few clips I can stand to ever watch of his BS) he has pretty much admitted she is crushing and Trump is old and feeble. Is she going to sit in on the whole show like apparently most of his guests do because I hope she has earplugs. Nice thing is she is finding ways to combat the conspiracies where they foment....

Her strategy is obvious...she is basically trying to peel off any voters from the few constituencies he has. The Medicare expansion along with going on Faux is to court the Boomers (and their kids in the case of the former) and Joe Rogan to go after the Young White Men. Throw in the gifts she throws at her "weaker" bases like promoting more grants for Small Business for African American Men and she is basically trying to add any votes she can from anywhere she can. Its the "Big Tent Unifying Strategy" candidates like Hillary just can't do correctly.

Its like watching people play Risk...Trump has all of his forces in one country...strong enough to hold but not strong enough to really stretch out and try and flip the board. Meanwhile Harris is surrounding him and fortifying positions and is now trying to find ways to weaken him to the point she can take him out for good. She is playing the "War of Attrition" game...she has more money and resources and he can't afford to lose any voters and hope to win.

We will see what it works but I would prefer this to what I am sure a lot of her advisors are telling her. (stick to the Swing States and play it safe)
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This seems more like another “**** the traditional media” move than anything. Going on Rogan’s show will move the needle with more people than an interview with CNN.

Though is she is definitely expanding the tent, especially if she talks about marijuana legalization.
 
Polling is funny.

But it’s also a conflict of interest for the news- the farther apart it is, the less advertising they will get. And even though the money is pretty one sided, they have to get as much as that as they can- it’s a lot easier to charge money when candidates are desperate. And it’s just good business.

Also- how many people are so sick of it that they don’t answer polling calls? We avoid any call that appears to be spam, which is
mostly polling calls these days. Smart people don’t like to be bothered. Who are mostly Harris-Waltz supporters anyway.

And what about the turncoat Rs? Even with a decent balance between D and r, with good numbers of Is, the turncoats are significant- they don’t seem to be showing up with the down ballot numbers you all keep posting- unless they are turning their backs to the whole party.

Lastly- anecdotal observation- where we are now was very dumpy back in 2020 when we were here in the fall. Pretty strong amounts of Harris signs this time.

Not that I am really confident until she is sworn in, but dumpy seems to be falling on his supporters.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Safer than trying to court the progressive Palestine crowd, who will punish her no matter what
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Agreed. They will either plug their nose and do the right thing (which is my guess in the end) or they are unwinnable for anything short of disavowing Israel completely which is just never going to happen.
 
Jimjamesak said:
This seems more like another “**** the traditional media” move than anything. Going on Rogan’s show will move the needle with more people than an interview with CNN.

Though is she is definitely expanding the tent, especially if she talks about marijuana legalization.
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There is definitely some of the "LOLNYTimes/WaPo" going on as well. And yes more people listen or watch Rogan than CNN by orders of magnitude so it makes sense that way as well.

She has already said Marijuana needs to be legalized. She said it on a podcast like 2 weeks ago.
 
I have a question for you all- for the illegal immigration agenda, why is it only about securing the border? Why doesn’t anyone talk about going after the people who employ them? I very much remember back in the 80’s when I went to work at McDs, I had to show proof of citizenship- which was a copy of my SS card. Employers were required to prove that everyone who worked there were legal workers.

But at the same time, you heard about raids on SE ID farms getting illegals then. Never really heard about farmers facing charges for having them there. And now, a friend has a vineyard in CA, and he supported dumpy because of his immigration standing. I challenged him if he was 100% sure the immigrants who did his farming were all legal, and he could not.

Most of the people who illegally cross the border do it for work. Which is THE main reason they are on the low end of crime. So SOMEONE is hiring them. Illegally.

We never talk about the companies who hire illegal immigrants, ever. Especially when they are big companies like meat processors (who have plenty of evidence that they hire illegals).

How about we ask to enforce the standing laws to not hire illegal immigrants as opposed to building a wall or hiring more border protection? It’s a lot cheaper.
 
MichVandal said:
I have a question for you all- for the illegal immigration agenda, why is it only about securing the border? Why doesn’t anyone talk about going after the people who employ them? I very much remember back in the 80’s when I went to work at McDs, I had to show proof of citizenship- which was a copy of my SS card. Employers were required to prove that everyone who worked there were legal workers.

But at the same time, you heard about raids on SE ID farms getting illegals then. Never really heard about farmers facing charges for having them there. And now, a friend has a vineyard in CA, and he supported dumpy because of his immigration standing. I challenged him if he was 100% sure the immigrants who did his farming were all legal, and he could not.

Most of the people who illegally cross the border do it for work. Which is THE main reason they are on the low end of crime. So SOMEONE is hiring them. Illegally.

We never talk about the companies who hire illegal immigrants, ever. Especially when they are big companies like meat processors (who have plenty of evidence that they hire illegals).

How about we ask to enforce the standing laws to not hire illegal immigrants as opposed to building a wall or hiring more border protection? It’s a lot cheaper.
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Because they don’t want to go after themselves.
 
MichVandal said:
I have a question for you all- for the illegal immigration agenda, why is it only about securing the border? Why doesn’t anyone talk about going after the people who employ them? I very much remember back in the 80’s when I went to work at McDs, I had to show proof of citizenship- which was a copy of my SS card. Employers were required to prove that everyone who worked there were legal workers.

But at the same time, you heard about raids on SE ID farms getting illegals then. Never really heard about farmers facing charges for having them there. And now, a friend has a vineyard in CA, and he supported dumpy because of his immigration standing. I challenged him if he was 100% sure the immigrants who did his farming were all legal, and he could not.

Most of the people who illegally cross the border do it for work. Which is THE main reason they are on the low end of crime. So SOMEONE is hiring them. Illegally.

We never talk about the companies who hire illegal immigrants, ever. Especially when they are big companies like meat processors (who have plenty of evidence that they hire illegals).

How about we ask to enforce the standing laws to not hire illegal immigrants as opposed to building a wall or hiring more border protection? It’s a lot cheaper.
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I believe Florida was going to try that, or did try that for a small period of time, to use eVerify or whatever the TIN matching is, and the construction industry raised a fit.
 
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